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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
[edit]🆥
[edit]I have no idea what this Unicode character is supposed to mean or how it's supposed to be related to the concept of data. Apparently this is U+1F1A5, which per https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F1A5 is a "Squared Latin Small Letter D". Possible other targets for this redirect include D, wikt:🆥, and Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement (the Unicode block the character is in). Duckmather (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Elite slaves
[edit]- Elite slaves → Slave-owning slaves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This sounds like a vague phrase (and google seems to back me up). I don't think a slave needs to themself own another slave in order to be considered an "elite slave". Duckmather (talk) 20:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes that's true, and I'm relaxed about this. On the other hand, it's a question of helping readers to navigate; and there is no other current article that it could sensibly point at. If one is written one day, it's not set in stone and can be altered. Ttocserp 21:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Duckmather that linking "elite slave" to "slave-owning slaves" is misleading enough not to be useful as a redirect. A primary example is temple slaves, who occur in several cultures and were certainly "elite" in some sense. Were concubines elite slaves? Sometimes, but is their favored status defined by owning other slaves? In ancient Rome, elite slaves encompassed public slaves working in the state bureaucracy who had privileges not accorded to others; slaves of the emperor, who were eligible for early manumission; and educated or high-skill slaves who worked in large upper-class households, who also were more likely to be manumitted. Technically, a Roman slave could not own anything, though they might manage other slaves and in effect "own" them. Defining the privileged status of some slaves does not rest solely or even primarily on whether they held any form of control over other slaves, let alone the legalistic issue of ownership. Defining "elite slave" as a category seems impractical; a link would be useful only to an article that discussed what positions of privilege might be available within a culturally specific system of slavery. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Canadialand
[edit]Appears to be a podcast [1] but very unlikely to be referring to the actual country. The creator's edit summary suggests this is a semi-joke. Cremastra (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Krish 1
[edit]- Krish 1 → Koi... Mil Gaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krrish 1 → Koi... Mil Gaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no such movie titled Krrish 1 or Krish 1. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep [Rationale for all of the above Krrish related redirect discussions.] Shorthand search aids abound here on enwiki especially if they help readers and are common alternate titles. Similarly Captain America 1, Iron Man 1, Mafia 1 etc. all exist. No policy based rationale is there for a deletion of these. If Krrish 3 exists, a reader would expectantly search for a 1 and a 2 (and so on, as I did), Krrish 3 already notes: "The film was referred to as both Krrish 2 and Krrish 3 in media reports." A retargeting of these articles may be discussed but a wholesay deletion is not the solution (my targets were primarily based on the release order at Krrish (film series)).
- Coming to Koi... Mil Gaya, the first film of the series, the working titles of its sequels were expectantly a play on its title as noted here, here and here. So these shouldn't really be in dispute.
- Also I wasn't notified of the deletion discussion here despite creating these redirects. Gotitbro (talk) 11:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- And Krish is a common mis/alt spelling of Krrish, both of which can also exist redirects. Gotitbro (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You searched for Krrish 1 and 2 because you didn't know that such movies doesn't exist, Krrish franchise is a popular movie franchise in India so I don't think anyone else would search for Krrish 1 or 2 knowing that such movies doesn't exist, also per WP:OTHERSTUFF just because Captain America 1 exists as a redirect doesn't mean Krrish 1 should also exist. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? That was a response to the 'no such movies exist' claim, not sure how "other stuff" applies here when these were only examples for WP:ALTTITLEs. Redirects need not only cater to the official names of films, plenty of sources use the alternative names (some of which have already been listed above). We would be better off discussing a retarget here than going around in circles about alt titles. Gotitbro (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- What source uses Krrish 1, Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Koi Mil Gaya 3? M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 12:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The sources you provided only uses Krrish 2 M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 12:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is incorrect, you would know if you read the articles.
- Bollywood Life which discusses the title discrepancy/controversy in detail lists all of these (including Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Koi Mil Gaya 3).
- This article by an Indian SF editor outright lists the first sequel (Krrish) as Koi... Mil Gaya 2.
- Krrish 1 is pretty self-explanatory, but here you go, Outlook (discusses the title controversies, including the Krrish vs. Krish spellings), Indian Express (about the reasons for titling the films as such), Great Bong (film review website). Gotitbro (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bollywoodlife is not a reliable source also they are not claiming that Krrish's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Krrish 3's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 3 instead they are asking
If we accept the trilogy theory, shouldn’t it be Koi… Mil Gaya 3? But then, where was Koi…Mil Gaya 2?
M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 16:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- The whole host of other sources that have been listed above discuss the same, need not pontificate on Bollywood Life alone (which was only meant as an exemplar of usage and RS should not really arise). All of which clearly establish a usage pattern, you need to first read what the purpose of WP:REDIRECT is rather than engage in selective analysis of the listed sources here.
- And from what I can gather from these sources and the content at Krrish 3, Krrish 1 can be retargetted to Krrish and Krrish 2 to Krrish 3.
- That Koi... Mil Gaya 2 was a clearly a working title has already been established and so has the usage of Koi... Mil Gaya 3.
- This is my final say on this, the sources and usage have been laid down and I will wait for uninvolved editors to comment. Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have already read WP:REDIRECT. The redirects you created are not official alt titles, and I don't think anyone will search for them, which is why they should be deleted. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 03:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bollywoodlife is not a reliable source also they are not claiming that Krrish's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Krrish 3's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 3 instead they are asking
- Huh? That was a response to the 'no such movies exist' claim, not sure how "other stuff" applies here when these were only examples for WP:ALTTITLEs. Redirects need not only cater to the official names of films, plenty of sources use the alternative names (some of which have already been listed above). We would be better off discussing a retarget here than going around in circles about alt titles. Gotitbro (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You searched for Krrish 1 and 2 because you didn't know that such movies doesn't exist, Krrish franchise is a popular movie franchise in India so I don't think anyone else would search for Krrish 1 or 2 knowing that such movies doesn't exist, also per WP:OTHERSTUFF just because Captain America 1 exists as a redirect doesn't mean Krrish 1 should also exist. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- And Krish is a common mis/alt spelling of Krrish, both of which can also exist redirects. Gotitbro (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- My bad, I forgot to notify you about redirect discussion. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: alternate names; they're part of a series. See WP:RF. Cremastra (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Google search results do show people use the latter title, and the former is a plausible misspelling. While not mentioned verbatim in the article, the meaning is clear from context. There is no apparent ambiguity. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Rubber latex
[edit]- Rubber latex → Latex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Latex rubber → Latex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Latex (rubber) → Latex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word latex is colloquially used to refer to a small subset of latices: natural rubber latex, which is used in gloves, condoms, etc. While both the current target and Natural rubber cover this topic, there's a fair bit more detail in the latter, including a Uses section that gets into the thing most people picture when they hear "latex". So I suggest a retarget to Natural rubber. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 20:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Predictions of the end of Facebook
[edit]- Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Verenigd Koninkrijk
[edit]- Verenigd Koninkrijk → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:RLANG – Dutch name for the United Kingdom. Cremastra (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom where it's mentioned. -- Tavix (talk) 18:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Volcanoe facts
[edit]Delete per WP:NOTFAQ with precedent at eg Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 2#Facts on horses, and also due to the Quaylean spelling. -- Tavix (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Cremastra (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Sufferin' succotash
[edit]- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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University Institutes of Technology
[edit]- University Institutes of Technology → University technical institute (France) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It's impossible to associate this term with a single subject, even though the french name is in plural too. NotAGenious (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The nomination is simply incorrect - every hit on Google for "University Institutes of Technology" -Wikipedia down to at least the middle of page 2 refer to University technical institutes in France (either the system or the institutions collectively, both of which are covered at the current target article). From the middle of page 2 there are some results for specific institutions of this type - the correct target for searches that generate that kind of result is the list of institutions, which in this case is located at the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
The Switch
[edit]- The Switch → Nintendo Switch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Oh noes. An editor changed the target redirect to the video game console Nintendo Switch from the longstanding common household item switch (as in light switch, etc.). Maybe a redirect to the dab page would be necessary as both entries have no primary topic. ScarletViolet tc 10:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, since the release of the Nintendo Switch, its been pointing to the dab page. It's also very unusual for those typing "The Switch" when they are looking for the page switch because its unlikely would include the definite article and also because most people do it in all lowercase. I also note that the video game console gets way more views than films titled "The Switch" but idk if people actually type "The Switch" looking for the console. Just like someone typing "The Tube" is likely looking for the London Underground metro system (it currently redirects there) than the normal article about various types of tubes at tube (disambiguation) JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Retarget to Switch (disambiguation) tbh. that one also has switches that are the cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to the dab page. Looking for what is actually the primary topic here (rather than just blindly assuming as those above appear to have done) we find that there are three topics that have Wikipedia articles that could be primary: The Switch (2010 film), The Switch (1967 film) and The Switch (TV series), but none of them are clearly primary over the others so the dab page is best. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
FuBl 2
[edit]- FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Crab angle
[edit]- Crab angle → Course (navigation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Related to Crosswind_landing#Techniques? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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True democracy
[edit]- True democracy → Direct democracy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The term "true democracy" is used to promote all kinds of reforms, with no one type of reform being the primary topic (I checked both Google web search and Google book search). Hence, convert to DAB with four entries: "any form of democratization", "any type of electoral reform", "scoring well on Democracy indices", and True Democracy (album). Jruderman (talk) 13:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this and True Democracy. I created the nominated redirect 18 years ago and changed the redirection of the second one around the same time, and now realize these were mistakes. It is a hopelessly vague term that I apparently associated with direct democracy back then but back then I didn't realize all the connotations and the future complexities in Wikipedia's content, and to be clear, the Wikipedia was quite a "wild west" in 2006 compared to today. Further, a disambiguation would be rather useless with only one similarly worded term. All the suggestions of similar ideas here aren't really for a typical disambiguation, and comes off as something akin to original research or at best, stretching a phrase's meaning too far. Just delete the sucker. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 18:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- We don't create dab pages to go to one thing. If you're concerned about people finding the album, what you do is delete this redirect and True Democracy (also as unnecessary as the one nominated here), then move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy, since it's the only "True Democracy" entity covered in the encyclopedia. There was not a need to disambiguate that album. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 19:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy. Retarget True democracy there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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⧧
[edit]While the Unicode character is called "THERMODYNAMIC", I don't see how the current target would be helpful to any reader. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - while it might not be the most useful, deleting it would be less useful. If the unicode character represents thermodynamics then we should redirect there BugGhost🦗👻 00:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deleting it would at least make it clear that we have no content on this symbol. As a reader, I would have trouble understanding why some very abstract character would redirect me to a physics article with no explanation of the symbol. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – see this discussion for evidence of use. Cremastra (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, that is an argument to retarget to Wiktionary. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ḙ
[edit]- Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation
. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel
? - I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
- We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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CBIs
[edit]Not mentioned in target. This appears to be an acronym for Ctiizenship by investment, but results for a search (which also includes CBIS) includes many things, none of them related to economic citizenship, and I don't really see the plural used. Rusalkii (talk) 03:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi
[edit]- List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi → Burundi–Turkey relations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target article Burundi–Turkey relations contains no list of ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and merge the content behind the redirect into the target article, which is what should have been done in the first place rather than redirecting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Laws of work
[edit]- Laws of work → Thermodynamics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and might also refer to Labour law. (Interestingly, work law does not exist as a redirect to that article.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It is an uncommon term, and i dont think we lose anything by getting rid of it. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Thermodynamics and Labour law. Disambiguations are cheap enough to cover this cost. Work law should exist, as Employment law does. BD2412 T 03:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- If we're going to convert this to a disambiguation page, Laws of thermodynamics would probably be a better entry than Thermodynamics. - Eureka Lott 15:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- DABify between Laws of thermodynamics and Labour law. A search in Google Scholar and other search engines show this term is used in both contexts frequently. Ca talk to me! 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a term used in physics or thermodynamics, and I can't find it used for the laws of thermodynamics anywhere in a quick google search. Work is an important concept in thermodynamics, but only the first law of thermodynamics talks about work. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Ca's research. Thryduulf (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7 § ---- – retarget to --
Probably makes sense to retarget this to the target of Horizontal rule, which is HTML element#hr, given that the article which previously caused ambiguity for this redirect, Keturi Brūkšniai, has been deleted. Steel1943 (talk) 23:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is still just as ambiguous as it was in June and sequences of hyphens are still not mentioned at the proposed target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – while <hr/> is the first thing that comes to mind for me, the disambiguation is still useful. Cremastra (talk) 16:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Glue70
[edit]- Glue70 → Joanna (Kool & the Gang song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject is not mentioned in target -1ctinus📝🗨 22:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Speako
[edit]seems to refer to speech errors in general, and not just spoonerisms. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Bames jond
[edit]- Bames jond → Spoonerism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
BAMES NOND'S HAVING A STRONK. on an unrelated note, this specific spoonerism isn't mentioned in the target, or anywhere for that matter, but might still be a plausible-ish misspelling of james bond cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deak welete: gets occasional views, but I'm unsure if that qualifies as "people find it useful" (total 184 in the past nine years). All of those are from desktop, although I don't know why. Cremastra (talk) 16:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
The BFG (1987 film)
[edit]- The BFG (1987 film) → The BFG (1989 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
apparently someone didn't mean to mean to deliberately spread a misconception that this film was released 2 years earlier by accident by accident. the year is mentioned once across all articles related to the big fucking giant, and not as this film's release date cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep there seems to be a slightly common misconception that this film was released in 1987, so much so that the article was moved to this title and then later a duplicate article was created here (presumably by someone who thought there were two films or the 1989 one was wrong). So people will look for it at this title, and the redirect will educate them that they are incorrect and it's a 1989 film and discourage the creation of a duplicate article. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Squeezel
[edit]created as the "vietnamese word for porcupine". if wiktionary is to be trusted, it's not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Please don't forget to notify the creator of the redirect. I've done that now. CycloneYoris talk! 19:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- oh, they're still active. neat. thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was this.
- It appears to be from something from Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations [2][3]. So that at least explains it, and I don't see it sreferring to anything else. There is a mention (with a different spelling) at Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations#Vietnam, so I would suggest retargetting there; since it links to the correct species (the Malayan porcupine). Cremastra (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. -Kaz (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Ilspile
[edit]apparently an extremely archaic synonym. not mentioned in the target, or wiktionary, or... really, any reliable source i could find. one dictionary had an entry for this word as a redirect to "porcupine", so at least that means the word exists in some language, but that entry was buried under a bunch of hedgehog costume sales (all written in some indecipherable glyphs for some reason). all of this is to say that i don't think the term sees common enough usage to warrant a redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to refer to hedgehog more the porcupine, [4], [5], [6], so retarget there. Cremastra (talk) 23:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget based on the sources found by Cremastra. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicities
[edit]- Multiplicities → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unclear that this plural form would not be ambiguous the same way as Multiplicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The term is used in other disciplines but mathematics is by far the primary topic in my search results. A hatnote to the dab will suffice for those looking for other things. Thryduulf (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is its use in other disciplines a carefully defined technical term belonging to those disciplines (as it is in mathematics) or is it just an ordinary word used in English? If the latter, then Multiplicity (mathematics) seems like the right target. Unless the page is to be moved to Multiplicity, in which case, if necessary, a hatnote could either direct the user to a disambiguation page or say "For the number of belly buttons a person has, see Multiplicity (omphalology)." Michael Hardy (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't know how "multiplicities" is used in other disciplines, but equally I don't know how that is relevant? The primary topic for the plural is very clearly the mathematical use, but that topic is correctly titled in the singular, therefore the status quo is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB, the term "multiplicities" only appears once in Multiplicity (mathematics) but also appears in Multiplicity (chemistry) and in a footnote at Multiplicity (philosophy) and while Google does return the mathematics Wikipedia article first it also returns the philosophy article and I don't think like Orange v Oranges there is much of a difference between the singular v plural to have different targets per WP:PLURALPT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Ragg tuning fork
[edit]- Ragg tuning fork → Tuning fork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's apparently some brand that produces tuning forks. not mentioned in the target, doesn't seem like there's anything reliable regarding it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is a brand but from what I can tell it seems to be one of, if not the, most notable manufacturer of tuning forks with at least two apparently reliable sources discussing it in depth [7] and [8] so there would be no verifiability issues with adding a mention. Whether a mention would be due or not I don't know, but I can't say for certain it wouldn't be. The redirect is getting suprisingly many views (over 100 this year), at least some of those will be because it's linked at rock gong but whether that's responsible for all of them I can't say (if the redirect is deleted that link must be updated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- weird place to put what's effectively an ad (or mistaking "ragg" as being part of the name), but i won't question it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told
[edit]- The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Margaretville station
[edit]- Margaretville station → Delaware and Northern Railroad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Perhaps there's a better target? Redirect is a result of an AFD discussion but I can't see the logic in redirecting to an article that doesn't contain any material on the search term. TarnishedPathtalk 09:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is part of why I originally nominated the article for deletion. It is completely uncited, which makes merging a non-option. despite it being closed as merge. Thus, I used the other consensus, and redirected.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom, but does the station even meet WP:NOTE? The only notable thing mentioned is an AMWAY and it's an WP:EASTEREGG. Unless I'm missing something it's a long demolished train station in a tiny town. This isn't really relevant to the official procedure, but I've got family in the area and Margaretville is lovely but tiny, even when the station existed it probably wasn't particularly notable. ~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?) 20:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
ETDA
[edit]- ETDA → Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect was created as an obvious typo of the common name of the chemical, EDTA. However, "ETDA" has two legitimate meanings - the Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) (see UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records), and the Electronic Transactions Development Agency (see Surangkana Wayuparb). Neither of these has its own article, but the UK legislation, at least, has the potential to merit one. A standard {{redirect}} on the EDTA page is a possibility, but the resulting text will be long and potentially disruptive. My suggestion is therefore to add an ETDA section to EDTA (disambiguation) with entries for the UK law and the Thai government agency, but I don't know if this is fully compliant with our rules on DAB pages, and would like to discuss it before taking unilateral action. Tevildo (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect - I think it should be redirected to one of the two article's subsections, with a {{Redirect-distinguish}} template added to the other article. I would rather this than maintaining the continued redirection to EDTA/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid that I had originally set up in 2007, 17 years ago when there were fewer overall articles on en.wikipedia, and there was a greater need to redirect such typos. My preference would be for Electronic Transactions Development Agency, as it actually uses the 'ETDA' acronym within the article (and as a section heading), while Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) does not use 'ETDA' as an acronym within the UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records article. Wiz9999 (talk) 09:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Real people
[edit]- Real people → Real People (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Real people" is a very vague phrase. Usually, it would refer to people that are also real. However, the current target is also quite surprising. I suggest retargeting to either people or Real People (disambiguation). Duckmather (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I took the liberty of tagging the redirect as {{r from ambiguous}}, that's all that needed doing. Paradoctor (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous, the redirect should point to that article and links to the redirect do not need disambiguating. Use {{R to other capitalisation}}, {{R from modification}}, etc, etc. depending what fits.
- If there is no primary topic the redirect should lead to a disambiguation page and links to it do need disambiguating. Use {{R from ambiguous term}}. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous
Ok, so "Real people" can mean the TV series Real People, but not, say, Real People (album)? Paradoctor (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you:
So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity?
Or did I cross some mirror along the way? Paradoctor (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you:
- No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Real People (disambiguation). Too vague to refer to People since it could also refer to Person. Not all people/persons are "real". WP:DIFFCAPS definitely applies here to retarget the lowercase variant away from the current target, and to allow readers to figure out what they are intending to find when typing the lowercase variant. (Heck, I'd go as far as to say the current de facto primary topic at Real People needs to be displaced to move Real People (disambiguation) to that title, but that's a discussion for another day.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation per the above. Cremastra (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{r from miscapitalization}}. All of the items on the disambiguation page are proper names, so this should point to the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the title. If the community decides there is no primary topic and moves the disambiguation page, this should still point to the base title. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The monkey wrench that I'm going to throw into that statement is that Realpeople uses a lowercase "p". Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Hypeicane
[edit]not a word, it seems. results gave me beer and "hype hurricanes" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't know what the original intention was, but retargeting to hypercane as an {{r from typo}} seems reasonable. Paradoctor (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv converse∫edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not all typos come from greasy fingers. For example, some people are prone to snooperisms Paradoctor (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv converse∫edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Talmeeh
[edit]apparently arabic/persian for "allusion", but wiktionary uses talmīḥ instead. i'm willing to chalk it up to english being janky and weird, but the concept doesn't seem to have any strong affinity with arabia or persia cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:43, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:RFOREIGN: common concept. Paradoctor (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Saint Boy
[edit]- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target. Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [9][10] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why should it redirect to Annika Schleu and not Gulnaz Gubaydullina? Jay 💬 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It was not very clear when I read the Annika Schleu article. After your explanation, when I read it again, it became clear. I see there are some details in the trainer Kim Raisner's article which are not present in Annika Schleu. Jay 💬 07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Seriously? It didn't need to be relisted. Can I just change it to point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the current consensus. The ambiguity of the redirect seems to also leave deletion and retargeting to other locations as options. Thus, the relist ... need clearer consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The best solution would be to have a summary of the incidents at the current target rather than just arbitrarily targeting one of the biographies where the horse is mentioned (Annika Schleu, Kim Raisner, Gulnaz Gubaydullina). -- Tavix (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, I meant exactly what I said. The incidents regarding Saint Boy occurred during Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, so there should be a write up at that page of what happened. I am aware that has not yet been added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Eumephism
[edit]created as a possible misspelling, but... it doesn't seem like it. i got no results cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Code phrase
[edit]vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Minister for Cities
[edit]- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
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Sarcasm Kills
[edit]a statement that may itself be sarcastic. unmentioned in the article. in a weird limbo of being a thing that is said sometimes in a lot of contexts with some other words probably following it maybe (like "sarcasm kills relationships" or "sarcasm kills otherwise successful rfd nominations"), but not notable enough in that area for any form of mention cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Odd title, not plausible as a search term. It's probably more likely of a search term for fictional concepts which we do not have articles for. Steel1943 (talk) 13:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – based on search results, it seems it is most likely to refer to "...relationships", but it is still broad and retargetting to sarcasm isn't helpful here. Cremastra (talk) 18:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There is no definition of an idiomatic use of the term we can link to.
Sarcastive
[edit]the history says some haiman guy coined the word, but i found nothing on its origin or existence, and haiman is a dab. not sure if it refers to john haiman or some other unmentioned haiman. please pretend this was written in a clever, sarcastic way cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Sacrcastic comment
[edit]i think this misspelling is SO plausible it should stay here forever. c and r are basically glued together in every keyboard. is that obvious enough? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
MetaphoR
[edit]no idea, no comment, delete. was created as a draft seemingly before the article cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RFD#K4 as a very old WP:CAMEL redirect. Early articles here required CamelCase titles. - Eureka Lott 21:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per EurekaLott, this dates from the very first month of Wikipedia's existence. Page histories that old can look confusing to modern eyes but there is nothing odd here. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Eureka. mwwv converse∫edits 13:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. This may be a {{R with old history}}, but it's not a {{R from CamelCase}} (CamelCase) since "Metapho" and "R" are not separate words. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- While technically not CamelCase in the usual sense, this is CamelCase in wiki jargon. Links required two capital letters separated by one or more lowercase letters, the convention was to capitalise the first and last letters of single-word titles, e.g. MetaphoR, PhysicS, DemocracY, WikipediA, etc. See also Wikipedia:CamelCase and Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- gotta be honest, i don't get why those should be preserved. 2001 was at least 3 months ago (maybe even longer), and i don't believe this one would meet k4, as there's only one page that links to it for any reason besides this rfd nomination, and even then, it has a good number of already red links. i really can't think of any reason to keep this doom logo-style miscapitalization besides novelty, since nostalgia wikipedia is a copy cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because there is only one current revision on the English Wikipedia that links to it doesn't mean there is only one link to it. There is a good essay on this and how we should be good net citizens and avoid creating unnecessary link rot for others that I can't immediately find. This is one reason why R3 speedy deletion is limited to very new redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Greater Manchester bus route 17
[edit]Roland Burris Burial Site
[edit]- Roland Burris Burial Site → Oak Woods Cemetery#Roland Burris tomb (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The relevant section has since been removed, and the burial site is only linked from Roland Burris and a see-also at Burris. We could logically redirect this to Roland Burris, but we'd then realistically need to remove those incoming links as circular and redundant, respectively. Better, I think, to delete this, and recreate it later if the situation warrants (presumably not before his actual death). BDD (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roland Burris#Personal life and education: I actually prefer this option, where the structure is discussed/described. Seems fairly unambiguous; certainly, can't think of anything else a reader might be looking for. Easy enough to remove the outdated links. It's a shame this redirect isn't decapitalised i.e. Roland Burris burial site or perhaps even Roland Burris mausoleum might have been more apt. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might be capitalized intentionally, if it's an official name. If it's not, that makes it an even less likely search term. --BDD (talk) 18:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Do your own research
[edit]Phrase is not mentioned in the target article. Not even the word "research" -1ctinus📝🗨 14:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is similar to but not quite the same as RTFM. It's mentioned and explained at QAnon#Slogans and vocabulary but it's use is broader than that conspiracy theory and its adherents. Possibly soft redirect to wikt:dyor which gives some context for those unfamiliar with the term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would support a re-targeting to QAnon#Slogans and vocabulary. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
*:: Comment I second this suggestion. QAnon immediately came to mind when I read this RFD, whereas I think the connection to RTFM is tenuous at best. Carguychris (talk) 20:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. RTFM is clearly inappropriate, as mentioned. But this phrase is just as often used in any sort of tinfoil hat setting. Flat Earthers use it all the time, e.g., and neither article would be more deserving of the redirect. Unless there's some specific discussion of this exact phrase in its general conspiratorial theory sense, somewhere, only deletion makes sense. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per this suggestion; the phrase is inadequately WP:CONCISE to redirect to any single article. After scouring the Googles, the phrase is associated with all sorts of conspiracy theories independent of QAnon. @1ctinus, I've rescinded my earlier comment. Carguychris (talk) 23:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair. I would not support a soft redirect to Wiktionary since its literally just the acronym for "do your own research" and nothing else—not helpful. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per this suggestion; the phrase is inadequately WP:CONCISE to redirect to any single article. After scouring the Googles, the phrase is associated with all sorts of conspiracy theories independent of QAnon. @1ctinus, I've rescinded my earlier comment. Carguychris (talk) 23:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but change - I agree RTFM is not close enough in meaning, and wikt:dyor doesn't provide enough information. I was going to add a note about this study about how "doing your own research" can lead people to increase their belief in misinformation. Apparently because doing an online search on misinformation increases exposure to misinformation. QAnon#Slogans and vocabulary seems like a good target for now, though that could probably note that it is also used in other conspiracy theory contexts, and in a general sense of "don't be a lazy researcher". Maybe conspiracy theory could be a better home if it really doesn't fit in QAnon anymore? There doesn't seem to be enough content to make it into its own article yet, though perhaps further, um, research would turn up more. In any case, this does seem to be an important topic in misinformation research. -- Beland (talk) 06:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per IP. Oppose any of the proposed retargets. The linked study is not enough to form an article. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support retargeting to QAnon#Slogans and vocabulary, soft redirecting to wikt:dyor, or keeping as is. But I don't see a reason to delete as it is a common phrase with viable targets. C F A 💬 15:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is indeed a common phrase which is why associating it with QAnon is inappropriate. The Wiktionary link is useless, it provides zero information. And its meaning is not the same as RTFM, only vaguely similar, and it's not what anyone typing that in is looking for. Hence, none of the targets are good and it should be deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 19:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per 35...158. The QAnon is not the only meaning here. Cremastra (talk) 19:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the term predates QAnon regardless of the creator making redirects to associated items in 2019. – The Grid (talk) 20:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicity of a restricted root
[edit]- Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not into mathematics, but searching gave me Plancherel theorem for spherical functions#Harish-Chandra's Plancherel theorem that has "α is called a restricted root and is called its multiplicity." Jay 💬 13:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not really an appropriate target. A restricted root is an element of a root system of a semisimple Lie algebra, and its multiplicity is the dimension of the associated eigenspace. This has little to do with Harish-Chandra's theorem. I think Semisimple Lie algebra would be more appropriate. Tito Omburo (talk) 11:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Semisimple Lie algebra as suggested by Tito Omburo. XOR'easter (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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3-3 duopyramid
[edit]- 3-3 duopyramid → 3-3 duoprism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No sources in Google Books or Google Scholars actually found the fact that 3-3 duopyramid is the dual of a 3-3 duoprism. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 06:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep doi:10.17760/D20194063, page 45:
The dual of a p, q-duoprism is called a p, q-duopyramid.
Found it using Google Scholar. Might want to check your filter bubble. Paradoctor (talk) 07:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)- It seems that the doi is a dissertation instead of a journal in my lackadaisical though. But okay nevermind. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Sudan (South)
[edit]- Sudan (South) → South Sudan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, this is not a logical redirection. South Sudan is a different country from the southern part of Sudan. The southern part of Sudan is experiencing civil uprising of its own aside from the civil war. And historically, there have been several entities that have occupied some or all of what is now South Sudan and the south of Sudan, that are listed at Southern Sudan. Thus this is not usable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Southern Sudan and tag as {{r from ambiguous}} Paradoctor (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Less clutter the better, agree with the nominator that it should not even be redirecting to South Sudan. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Paradoctor. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and tag per Paradocter. Also possibly {{r to natural disambiguation}}? Cremastra (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and tag per Paradoctor. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and tag per Paradoctor.
Template:MBTI Instrument
[edit]- Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))
- Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ
- Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument
A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Super transformation (Sonic the Hedgehog)
[edit]List of items in Sonic games
[edit]- List of items in Sonic games → Sonic the Hedgehog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list at the target article, and there does not seem to be any applicable target in any of the Sonic-related subtopic articles either. Steel1943 (talk) 01:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sonic the Hedgehog#Gameplay, which discusses how items work in respect to its gameplay. Sergecross73 msg me 16:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Super Emeralds
[edit]- Super Emeralds → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Super Emerald → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target article contains information about "Chaos emeralds" and "Master emerald" ... but nothing about a "Super emerald". Readers trying to find information about this topic will find nothing at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - "Super Emeralds", in short, are the same thing as Chaos Emeralds, just "bigger and more powerful". This can be easily amended where Chaos Emeralds are covered. Sergecross73 msg me 16:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Ideal Grotesque(typeface)
[edit]- Ideal Grotesque(typeface) → Berthold Type Foundry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was going to tag this for {{Db-x3}}, but then noticed that both Ideal Grotesque and Ideal Grotesque (typeface) do not exist. Also, the redirect is not mentioned in the target article, but I am not sure if it should be. Steel1943 (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Monotype Grotesque does mention first as just "Ideal" then later using the spelling "Ideal Grotesk" ("Grotesque" and "Grotesk" are pretty much always alternate or common incorrect spellings for each other in this topic area), but I'm unsure if that is enough to anchor a redirect. Regardless, the incorrectly spaced version is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 23:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually I've just spotted that we have a bit more content about this typeface, but it's in footnote b at Akzidenz-Grotesk which is definitely not a good place to target a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 00:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although its existed since 2018 its always been a redirect and the target doesn't mention the subject and if it did then the base name Ideal Grotesque could be created otherwise I'd say this is an X3 as the correct title wouldn't be a useful redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
We was robbed
[edit]- We was robbed → Max Schmeling (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. There is a mention at enallage, but a retarget would IMO be inappropriate. This is because the person who actually uttered the quote, Joe Jacobs, doesn't have a wiki article, even though they clearly meet WP:NBIO, making this a rare case of a redirect with a WP:REDPRIMARY. Mach61 19:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Sonic timeline
[edit]- Sonic timeline → Sonic the Hedgehog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could refer to a timeline for several topics listed at the Sonic disambiguation page. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 17:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. from what i know of sonic lore, it's also subject to differing definitions of "timeline" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I would have expected a timeline of the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise (release dates of video games, films, etc) but (a) we don't seem to have that, and (b) the nom's point about it being ambiguous is correct. There is history behind this redirect, but it would be speedy deletable under criterion A3 if restored so deletion here is fine. Previously deleted content at this title was unrelated. Thryduulf (talk) 20:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - doesn't refer to any one specific thing. Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Australia 2032
[edit]- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 25 § Korea 2018 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § China 2008 – Retarget to 2008 in China
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § Brazil 2016 – Retarget to 2016 in Brazil
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 6 § Italy 2026 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 26 § Japan 2020 – Delete all (China 2022, France 2024, and USA 2028 were included)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 24 § CountryName Year redirects to events – Delete all 10 (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 20 § Qatar 2023 – Retarget to 2023 in Qatar
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 20 § France 2024 – Retarget to 2024 in France
- Australia 2032 → 2032 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear to be branded as "Australia 2032" from what I've searched, just as "Brisbane 2032". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a number of related redirects in which "CountryName Year" redirects ended up being deleted or retargeted. There is precedence for deleting this redirect based on a number of deletions over the years. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine. Safes007 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Safes007: The point is that it's not the expect result based on the tens of thousands of other CountryName Year redirects that exist. As such, it's misleading because this isn't what one would expect to be the "right page". Hey man im josh (talk) 18:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine. Safes007 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Automatic MatchMaker
[edit]- Automatic MatchMaker → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
{{R from merge}} but no longer mentioned at the target at all. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)- oh, because it was made literally 2 minutes after the day rolled around. that's pretty funny
- i guess retarget to matchmaking (video games), since the name could refer to whatever flavor of matchmaking there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
[edit]- Death Knight (Warcraft III) → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is at least unambiguous due to the disambiguation, but the sole mention of "death knight" at the target is Now an Undead Death Knight, Arthas meets with the leader of the dreadlords, Tichondrius, who tasks him with resurrecting Kel'Thuzad
, which isn't really enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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Third Great War
[edit]- Third Great War → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The standard in-universe name for the events covered in Reign of Chaos is just "Third War", rather than "Third Great War". A search is giving me a mix of the real-life World War III and third wars from unrelated fictional universes. Either delete or retarget to World War III. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World War III. First Great War and Second Great War redirects to their respective World Wars. GHits also seems to point to WW III. --Lenticel (talk) 00:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to World War III per above. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
King P
[edit]same-ish case as king porky below, but his name is hidden from the player for around 15 seconds, before the game quits being subtle and shows a giant statue of him. not sure if only having an initial might make it more ambiguous, and results were really unhelpful, so... eh? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unclear (even with referring to Porky Minch) and incredibly ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 16:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
King Porky
[edit]refers to porky minch, the main antagonist of the game. while this specific name isn't mentioned in the target or porky's article (though he is referred to as a king in his article), it is overall a pretty big deal in the game's plot. opinions on deleting as not directly mentioned anyway, or maybe retargeting to porky? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Porky Minch as seemingly the only topic on Porky that has been referred to as "King" in any context. Otherwise, delete, especially since the phrase "King Porky" is not mentioned in Porky Minch. Steel1943 (talk) 16:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Monsoon Revolution
[edit]- Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. It needs to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [11] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [12] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It doesn't seem like this is the name that sticks. I did notice that an article was made entitled July 36 where it is said that that is what Bangladeshis calling the date of Sheikh Hasina's removal. I think we're seeing a scenario akin to the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine. Image2012 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Thermal enegy
[edit]- Thermal enegy → Thermal energy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unlikely typo fgnievinski (talk) 12:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Johnjbarton (talk) 15:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Enegy does not exist and has never existed. Steel1943 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- delee per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak
keepdelete: in some accents "energy" could come across as "enegy"; so an English learner or ESL speaker might search this. Harmless, but not very probable either.But the weird thing is that it gets occasional but steady pageviews, which tips me towards "keep" per WP:RK#5.See below. Cremastra (talk) 22:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)- Turns out this redirect had an incoming link in Canterbury gecko for some reason; I have since bypassed the link to the redirect, which was obviously erroneous anyways since it was a piped link. Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, darn. Will amend my comment accordingly. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 19:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Turns out this redirect had an incoming link in Canterbury gecko for some reason; I have since bypassed the link to the redirect, which was obviously erroneous anyways since it was a piped link. Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg
[edit]- Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg → Defence of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only hits on Google [13] are Wikipedia, which is never a good sign; other search engines [14] [15] [16] are no better. It appears "firbolgs" are a thing in D&D [17], but "Fuzzy Wuzzy the Firbolg" is no improvement [18].
- "Fuzzy Wuzzy" + "Defence of the Ancients" at least returns multiple results [19], although this includes at least two sketchy all-in-Cyrillic sites I decline to investigate further (and a surprising number of sites based from the Cocos (Keeling) Islands). Apparently Fuzzy Wuzzy is something [20] in Dota 2, a sequel to Defence of the Ancients.
- "Furbolg" is apparently something in Defence of the Ancients [21]. So "Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg" may well be a thing, but it is very niche, and certainly not mentioned at the target, so I am leaning weak delete. Cremastra (talk) 22:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg is an alternative name of the hero Ursa, which appears sometimes as an Easter egg. IznoPublic (talk) 00:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Undetharaya
[edit]- Undetharaya → Kunchitiga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target page, nor anywhere within Wikipedia for that matter. Unable to find WP:GNG worthy mentions for original page as well. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to Unde Yattaraya which will help retain the page history as well. Jay 💬 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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2017 PGL Open Bucharest
[edit]- 2017 PGL Open Bucharest → Dota 2#Esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
SL i-League Invitational Season 3
[edit]- SL i-League Invitational Season 3 → Dota 2#Esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Purgegamers
[edit]- Purgegamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Purge Gamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kevin Godec after that article is restored. If that article survives this will be a useful redirect, if it's deleted at AfD this redirect will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion. There are no other targets I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per #Kevin Godec. -- Tavix (talk) 18:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Kevin Godec
[edit]- Kevin Godec → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article without prejudice to AfD. This was BLARed in 2019 and a quick google search finds lots of sources post-dating that - I'm not immediately seeing anything clearly showing notability but someone who knows the topic area is better placed to judge (and to know where sources are likely to be found if they exist). Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf's research showing a lack of notability. -- Tavix (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then do more research and let us know what you find. I'm very amenable to restoring content that may be notable but you have not made such a case. -- Tavix (talk) 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. Good example of a research WP:WOOPS right there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your two most recent comments clearly indicate that you have not understood. Thryduulf (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Major All Stars
[edit]- Major All Stars → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Major All Stars Season 1 → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert Major All Stars, merge the article in the history of Major All Stars season 1 into it and redirect the latter to the former, all without prejudice to AfD. I'm seeing a lot of hits that post-date the 2017 BLAR that make this at least worth discussing - especially as there are at least two baseball teams (about which we don't even have a mention) with the name that need filtering out of search results. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I did some digging and I'm not seeing any reliable sourcing on this. I'm happy to reconsider if sourcing is found. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then provide evidence showing why this may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Dota 2 heroes
[edit]- List of Dota 2 heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Dota 2 Heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. There's always a proper wiki for that in-game list. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahri Boy: That's not a basis for speedy deletion. See WP:NOTCSD#1. SilverLocust 💬 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The redirect was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dota 2 Heroes. Even at the time, there was not a list at that target (permalink), just a mention of
111 "Hero" characters
with a primary ref:"Heroes". Valve Corporation. Retrieved February 13, 2015.
SilverLocust 💬 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Kunkka the Admiral
[edit]- Kunkka the Admiral → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is definitely a character in the game [22], but not, I think, significant enough for a mention at the target article. So delete as unhelpful. Cremastra (talk) 22:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Priestess of the Moon
[edit]- Priestess of the Moon → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. And not even correct if it were - Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the original use, and Tyrande Whisperwind before her article was BLARed would also have been reasonable. But none of those mention it either. Maybe retarget to Moon magic or Lunar deity as a last-ditch genericization, but that's well, grabbing desperately to see if anything sticks so I would just delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lunar deity. There are some works that claim Priestess of the Moon as the protagonist. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete seems apropos per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enheduanna who was (high) priestess of the moon (god). The only uses of the phrase on en.wp are in relation to her. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The search results are almost all about the game character [23], in fact, I'm struggling to find anything not related to the game [24]. Leaning delete. If the capitalisation were different, I'd be more inclined to retarget, but it isn't, so I'm not. Cremastra (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Moon Rider
[edit]- Moon Rider → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Could maybe be repointed to Moonriders or The Moon Riders, but those don't seem likely to be singularized. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig (drafted below the redirect). This is the title of multiple books and songs, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Krobelus
[edit]- Krobelus → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A character of this name is mentioned in passing at Summoner 2 but not in a way that could anchor a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Drow Ranger
[edit]- Drow Ranger → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There are a couple of passing mentions of drow rangers in relation to the Legacy of the Drow series, but not in the main article and not in a way that would be helpful for anyone wanting to find out anything about them. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Templar Assassin
[edit]- Templar Assassin → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There a mention in the sprawling list at Order of Assassins#In popular culture but I don't think that would be a useful redirect target. List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul characters#Season 1 contains mention of a very minor character who is "a Templar assassin" but this is too obscure to be useful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Besides the nominator's point, the title of the redirect sounds like a concept from the Assassin's Creed series, but I do not think it actually is. Steel1943 (talk) 16:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Defense of the Ancients under Linux
[edit]- Defense of the Ancients under Linux → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete redirect to nothing. Polygnotus (talk) 08:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete there was an "article" at this title but it was almost certainly a copyvio of the mod's readme. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Death Prophet
[edit]- Death Prophet → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Doat
[edit]Unlikely typo and why here rather than dota?. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Dota came after DotA did. This could be a typo for a lot of different things I suspect, so delete. IznoPublic (talk) 02:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Taxile Doat as a {{R from surname}}. Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Taxile Doat per Thryduulf. Steel1943 (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Terrorblade
[edit]- Terrorblade → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Banehallow
[edit]- Banehallow → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Allusions in DoTA
[edit]- List of Allusions in DoTA → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Fancruft list not mentioned. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 02:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Virtual virus
[edit]- Virtual plague → Corrupted Blood incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Virtual virus → Corrupted Blood incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Virtual disease → Corrupted Blood incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Virtual illness → Corrupted Blood incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Virtual sickness → Corrupted Blood incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms can refer to plenty of things other than this one video game event that happened in 2005. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as vague. Thryduulf (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- retarget virtual virus to computer virus, delete the rest as vague cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that there would be a good case for retargeting the rest to what coverage we may have on the use of computer simulations to model illnesses (both in the body and in the community) for planning purposes. I can't find the coverage offhand, but if we don't have it, we should. BD2412 T 20:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Dae Hui Cho
[edit]- Dae Hui Cho → Warcraft III in esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, neither he nor his gaming name FoV are there. I'd delete... And the rest of the target looks crufty these days. IznoPublic (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The article in the history of this redirect is a copy of the one deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dae Hui Cho in 2011. I've not looked to see if he has become notable since then. Thryduulf (talk) 12:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1
[edit]- Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1 → Warcraft: The Sunwell Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Warcraft#Manga per commentary at #Warcraft: Legends. IznoPublic (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft: Legends
[edit]- Warcraft: Legends → Warcraft: The Sunwell Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Google has several Warcraft anthologies lying around but none that explains the connection to Sunwell. Delete. IznoPublic (talk) 03:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Pre-MoP
[edit]- Pre-MoP → World of Warcraft: Cataclysm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is borderline nonsense by now ... * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- MoP refers to Mists of Pandaria. Delete is fine all the same. IznoPublic (talk) 02:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Worldbreaker
[edit]- Worldbreaker → World of Warcraft: Cataclysm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target and far, far too vague to point to one specific video game anyway. Maybe retarget to the film World Breaker * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is an alternative name for Deathwing, the primary antagonist of this title, and this is the title in which the name is most appropriate. I don't think a retarget is called for, so either a keep or a delete. IznoPublic (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World Breaker as a likely misspelling, possibly add a hatnote to Worldbreaker Saga. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- retarget per Thryduulf Polygnotus (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
World of Warcraft: Worldbreaker
[edit]- World of Warcraft: Worldbreaker → World of Warcraft: Cataclysm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The term "worldbreaker" appears nowhere in the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect I can't fathom. At best an unofficial or pre-official name for the title. Delete. IznoPublic (talk) 02:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not a
unofficial or pre-official name for the title
. It is a quest: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Worldbreaker_(quest) Polygnotus (talk) 08:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Pre-Cata
[edit]- Pre-Cata → World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Far, far too vague. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not vague (vice other uses of cataclysm, there's probably not many places besides the gaming area you'd find shortening the word to cata), but I wouldn't expect to see this terminology used here. Delete. IznoPublic (talk) 02:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, also wouldn't The Burning Crusade be pre-cata as well? Polygnotus (talk) 08:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Pre-Cataclysm
[edit]- Pre-Cataclysm → World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Far, far too vague. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 02:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, also wouldn't The Burning Crusade be pre-cata as well? Polygnotus (talk) 08:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Pre-WotLK
[edit]- Pre-WotLK → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
... I don't get it? Seems more likely to refer to World of Warcraft Classic if anything at all. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Burning Crusade is the expansion released before Wrath of the Lich King. Delete all the same. IznoPublic (talk) 02:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Terrokar Forest
[edit]- Terrokar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Terokkar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This specific zone is in fact mentioned at the target, though you'd have to check the spelling. Target is unlikely to be ambiguous, so keep. IznoPublic (talk) 02:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Terokkar Forest (correct spelling) per Izno. Neutral on the other one. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 19:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
World of Warcraft Radio
[edit]- World of Warcraft Radio → World of Warcraft#Community and study of player interaction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This one I guess. A delete here seems fine, no one is served by this redirect living here. IznoPublic (talk) 02:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Player Test Realm
[edit]- Player Test Realm → World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Player test realm → World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target and seems to refer to other games as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 03:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Shadow Priest
[edit]- Shadow Priest → World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned in passing in a few random places but without anywhere near enough substance to warrant a redirect, meaning this is best left to search. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- A shadow priest is a priest classes specced into shadow talents, so the better target would be Gameplay of World of Warcraft#Characters which glosses over the system of talent trees. Though it's not mentioned there as a specific detail of the general points, I think a retarget would be fine. IznoPublic (talk) 02:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Multiple fictional worlds feature shadow priests, none of which have any coverage at en.wp. There is an article in the history of this redirect but it would be speedily deletable under A7 if restored so we're fine to delete it here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Footman Frenzy
[edit]- Footmen Frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Footmen frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Apparently this was a thing - a game-within-the-game that once had a substantial (but basically unsourced) article. See here, here, here. In other words, a thing that exists, may be worth a mention, but can not support an article of its own. BD2412 T 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes indeed, a popular custom game and perhaps worth a mention, but as it's not mentioned now, delete. It was not a particularly important one at the end of the day, unlike DotA's leading what became the MOBA genre, so I don't anticipate being added any time soon. IznoPublic (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
The Hoards of Pride
[edit]- The Hoards of Pride → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Guessing this was a custom game map, but I've never heard of it. Delete. IznoPublic (talk) 02:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete see here. Polygnotus (talk) 08:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Blademaster (Warcraft)
[edit]- Blademaster (Warcraft) → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The redirect doesn't have an ambiguous target and discussion of the heroes is available there, even if the blademasters isn't called out as being one such. IznoPublic (talk) 02:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless a mention is added. Readers searching this phrase will be led to nothing with the current situation. Steel1943 (talk) 16:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Orc Gladiators
[edit]- Orc Gladiators → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Orc gladiators → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yes, Thrall (Warcraft), one of the protagonists of Reign of Chaos, was once a gladiator. But I'm not sure how else these redirects can make any kind of sense at all. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- At best a reference to Thrall or some of the books detailing him, or the one or two arenas lying around in WoW and elsewhere. Delete seems fine here. IznoPublic (talk) 02:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Automatic MatchMaker
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Automatic MatchMaker
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Death Knight (Warcraft III)
Third Great War
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Third Great War
2025 UK general election
[edit]- 2025 UK general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible Redirect Blethering Scot 22:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Made slightly more sense when the date wasn't announced. Doesn't make sense anymore. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of United Kingdom general elections. Deletion would be fine, too. The only truly bad option is the current situation. On the off chance that there was a general UK election in 2025 (which is possible, if unlikely, as I understand it), this would be even worse! —mako๛ 12:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- The most recent general election had to be held in or before January 2025, and there was much media speculation that it would be held at the latest possible date. This people searching for this title is entirely plausible. When to call a general election is (for practical purposes) entirely the prerogative of the prime minister, as long as one is held within 5 years of the most recent one, i.e. 2029 (although there is a minimum notice period, I think its about 25 days, for logistical reasons). This means that we cannot say there will not be a general election in 2025 until in theory 1 December 2025 as UK elections are always held on a Thursday and 25 December is the last Thursday in 2025 - although as there would have to be some truly extraordinary reason to hold an election on Christmas Day in reality the deadlines would be at least 1 week earlier. This does leave a problem of where best to target this redirect, and I think that unless and until a general election is called for 2025 (which currently looks unlikely, but a week is a long time in politics) that retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century is the best we can do. Someone will learn there that the isn't currently one scheduled for that year and find a link to the 2024 election if that is what they looking for. Ideally there would also be a link to Next United Kingdom general election, but there isn't currently. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century per thryduulf. (I've bundled 2025 United Kingdom general election into this RFD - this was previously discussed at RFD with a no consensus - but this was discussed before the election took place). BugGhost🦗👻 12:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a (potential) 2025 general election. Next United Kingdom general election does not even mention the year 2025. -- Tavix (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try - delete, retarget or keep as is?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Tavix talks with sanity on this point Not intended to disparage other participants in any way! Just that I feel Tavix has the right approach. I do way more reading than editing, so let me provide a reader's perspective on how I (and, I suspect, others) interact with Wikipedia as readers. I live in the UK so I know full well the year of the election, but let's imagine I didn't: Perhaps I live somewhere far away, or perhaps the year is 2034 and I just can't remember. I come across an article discussing the possibility of a 2025 election, such as this one in the New Statesman. To put what I'm reading into its appropriate historical context the first thing I wanna do is find out when the election was actually held. What do I put into the Wikipedia search box? 2025 UK general election seems like a decent bet. Not only does this redirect take me to the information I want, the page it leads to does in fact contain a discussion about the timing with an entire section called "Date of the election". Perfect, just what I as a reader am looking for. My only question is if we would be best to leave the redirect exactly as it is, or should we retarget it specificallly to the date section? 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Za'ura
[edit]The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pronunciation is irrelevant. Both articles could be titled "Za'ura" so disambiguation of some sort is required. The question is whether that should be a hatnote from the primary topic or a primary disambiguation page. To answer that question we need to know whether one or the other is the primary topic for people searching "Za'ura" and from my searches there doesn't appear to be, although Google refusing to distinguish between "Za'ura" and "za ura" is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I created Za'ura, Syria. Dont really have an opinion. There is very little info about the village. Maybe the redirect should go to Zoora. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore or Delete right away?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- while we're here, what about quackifier? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Whoopsie daisy
[edit]- Whoopsie daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Oopsie-daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (except in the hatnote). No other words redirect to this target and there is no list of words here (except for a few examples in the Vocabulary section). Per this article, both words are variants of Upsy daisy, which is a redirect to In the Night Garden.... Johnj1995 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This piece of writing on the topic is quite interesting. No great target for these at wikt:, nonetheless. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Super Mario RPG 2
[edit]- Super Mario RPG 2 → Super Mario RPG#Legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Super mario rpg 2 → Super Mario RPG#Legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous as all get out. Between the the 2023 remake, the Paper Mario series, and the Mario & Luigi series, it is unclear what this redirect could refer to. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- funny thing. this was the japanese name for paper mario during its development, a fact that is mentioned in its article. outside of that, the name is also found in certain unused rooms in that game, but that hasn't been covered yet. retarget to paper mario (video game) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I just noticed the existence of the previous discussion in 2021, and added the old RfD list template to this discussion. For what it's worth, if I had participated in the 2021 discussion, I would have voted "delete" then as well. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- to be fair, then is no longer now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target explains the connection to Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. A remake is not a sequel so I'm not convinced that the remake would be considered "Super Mario RPG 2". If others disagree, I think the solution would be to simply remove the anchor since the remake is also discussed at the same article. -- Tavix (talk) 15:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Niggling
[edit]Irrelevant redirect. Niggling is a form of the verb "niggle", but in the target page, "Niggle" is the name of a character. Batrachoseps (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's very relevant. In Letter 236, Tolkien states that "niggling" was natural to him, and apologizes for it. Scholars have noted the close association of the niggling professor and Niggle the character. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Dry Winged Trout Flies
[edit]- Dry Winged Trout Flies → Artificial fly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
too many words for a type of fly that doesn't seem even remotely noteworthy or notable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete given that this term is not used as a proper noun, the lowercase Dry winged trout flies does not exist. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
🎣
[edit]could likely also refer to angling, fishing rods, and fishing in general. really, the act of fishing for shits and giggles is the last possible target i'd expect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is
U+1F3A3: FISHING POLE AND FISH
. Emojipedia identifies it as fishing pole. Retarget to fishing rod, which is where fishing pole points. - Eureka Lott 17:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- Retarget per Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 17:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fishing. It's a broader target which would incorporate the "AND FISH" part of the definition. The emoji is employed when discussing fishing in general, not specifically for fishing poles. -- Tavix (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also be happy with this target, although it is by a very small margin second preference. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: too ambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
November 12, 2001
[edit]- November 12, 2001 → American Airlines Flight 587 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if American Airlines Flight 587 is the primary topic or if this should be redirected to November 12 or 2001#November. C F A 💬 16:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This doesn't seem like a plausible search term for the target. The redirect was recently created and there are no links, so I don't really see a need to retarget either. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Similar RfDs have happened in the past which resulted in one of the previously mentioned targets, November 12 or 2001#November, being the optimal choice, but I cannot recall which one at the moment nor can I find the discussion(s). Either way, do not keep. Steel1943 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to 2001#November where there are multiple entries for that date. For some reason American Airlines Flight 587 wasn't even listed there but I have corrected that. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Fish catch
[edit]uh... retarget to fishing? considering all the definitions of "catch", it's surprisingly vague cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently it is a semi-official term. Retarget per nom. Cremastra (talk) 19:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Fin fish
[edit]the term is mentioned in passing as a synonym for something that could more reasonably be mentioned in fish or teleost, or some other target i might be missing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now as the term is defined at the target. Also retarget Fin-fish and Finfish there for now to be consistent. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Looting the seas
[edit]- Looting the seas → Sustainable fishery#Looting the seas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Looting the Seas → Sustainable fishery#Looting the seas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to a series of journalistic investigations by the international consortium of investigative journalists on sussy stuff in the fishing scene. no longer mentioned in the target or in the icoij's article, so all we're left with is a vague term that could refer to pirates for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Unio personalis
[edit]- Unio personalis → Prosopon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal Union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalis → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The specific terms don't seem to be explicitly mentioned in any article, so it is a bit unclear where these should point. The first redirect was created in 2007, targeting Hypostatic union; this was later changed to Person of Christ (now merged into Christology) along with the creation of the other redirects. Only the first one was rather recently changed to target Prosopon. Apart from these, the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Unipersonalist (and the Nontrinitarianism article which was the target decided on in that RfD) seem pertinent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget where necessary to Hypostatic union. – Fayenatic London 20:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Yabbying
[edit]a "yabby" (or cherax) is a type of crayfish, and "yabbying" refers to fishing for yabbies. was going to retarget to yabby and call it a day, but it turns out that's a dab, and there are two fish that can be referred to as "yabby", though the verb seems to refer mostly to the crayfish. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Deep sea fishing.
[edit]pointless period. cogsan. (nag me.) (stalk me.) 15:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deep sea fishing exists, and the page history doesn't seem to have been used anywhere, so deleting this WP:UNNATURAL spelling makes sense. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly move without redirect to Deep sea fishing to preserve history otherwise just delete. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Sydney Football Stadium 2
[edit]- Sydney Football Stadium 2 → Sydney Football Stadium (2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sydney Football Stadium 1 → Sydney Football Stadium (1988) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sydney Football Stadium I → Sydney Football Stadium (1988) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects are not appropriate disambiguations and they don't seem to be the names that the stadium ever went by. For reference, it's a stadium on the exact same site and Sydney Football Stadium exists as a disambiguation page. This is a similar nomination tpimilar to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 23#Japan 2012 (Association football event 1), Hey man im josh (talk) 15:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. These are unambiguous plausible search terms for the first and second venue named "Sydney Football Stadium". Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, no evidence has been presented demonstrating usage of these
namesterms. -- Tavix (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- That's because they're search terms, not names. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That makes zero difference to my argument, but since it matters to you: fixed. -- Tavix (talk) 18:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's because they're search terms, not names. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No evidence of usage to a point where they could be considered misleading even as {{R from incorrect name}}s. Steel1943 (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Any attempt to search these articles by typing "Sydney Football Stadium" will return the redirect target article anyway. Mn1548 (talk) 17:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Gogaku
[edit]- Gogaku → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kobe (gogaku) → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Other than a passing mention at National_Diet_Library#Digital_Library_from_the_Meiji_Era, search results for "Gogaku" on the English Wikipedia appear to be surnames or other unrelated topics. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Israeli fascism
[edit]- Israeli fascism → Jewish fascism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't think we should be conflating nationality and religion. This seems highly problematic Mason (talk) 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to relevant sub-section - I agree that conflating that is a problem. I have retargeted Israeli fascism to the relevant section: Jewish fascism § Israel to avoid the perception that the term is synonymous. FourPi (talk) 09:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Far-right politics in Israel. मल्ल (talk) 18:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Certificat Superieur de Francais
[edit]- Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at Telc#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Notional-functional syllabus
[edit]- Notional-functional syllabus → Syllabus#Notional-functional (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional-Functional Syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Functional-notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. There is a redlink of "Functional syllabus" at Glossary of language education terms#F, though that does not mention "notional". 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Esyllabus
[edit]- Esyllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electronic syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online course syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target currently does not mention online education. Possibly retarget to Online school or a similar target (see also the "Online education" redirects below)? 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Online education
[edit]- Online education → Distance education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online Education → Educational technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems ambiguous. There is also Online school. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget [Online Education] to Distance education. Thanks to the COVID pandemic happening, this seems to be the primary redirect topic for these terms with Educational technology and Online school being potential subtopics when referring to the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh (1988-1994)
[edit]- Massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh (1988-1994) → Refugees in Azerbaijan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect was a result of a new article creation [25], created by non-EC user in violation of WP:GS/AA restriction. The article has been redirected already but the redirect link remains, which isn't WP:NPOV and should be deleted, as explained in the relevant discussion [26], [27]. Vanezi (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
With that logic, any article on any genocide isn't neutral then. Saying that a massacre, genocide etc. is bad is suddenly taking a side and violating rules? Should I instead write "Azerbaijanis were killed by Armenians but meh, it's just war, something like that happens, not too bad"? Viceskeeni2 (talk) 12:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)WP:GS/AA violation, not allowed to participate in internal project discussions. Vanezi (talk) 13:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not because of the title (see WP:RNEUTRAL - we want people using non-neutral search terms to be able to find neutrally-titled articles) but because we don't seem to have any content that matches what someone using this search term is looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 17:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Bill Bojangles Robinson
[edit]- Bill ''Bojangles'' Robinson → Bill Robinson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL typo, with two single quotation marks instead of one double one, as in Bill "Bojangles" Robinson; though one erroneous backlink currently exists at Myrtle Watkins. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There is nothing unnatural or implausible about using '' in place of " as demonstrated by the use in an article. It's incorrect but common. Thryduulf (talk) 17:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to having wiki markup in the title. I thought these were blacklisted, but I guess not? -- Tavix (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- The user who created the page is a page mover. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: Ha, just realized you linked my mega-discussion from 2014 ... since I just mentioned and linked it myself! 😂 Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, yes, the restriction of creating titles with consecutive apostrophes was added to the title creation blacklist in 2014. But yeah, as 1234qwer1234qwer4 mentioned, the creator had permission to bypass the title creation blacklist ... though the creator would have also seen a nice warning notification box while creating the redirect warning them the title was on the blacklist. Steel1943 (talk) 20:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for confirming. I thought only admins had the permission to create blacklisted titles, so all I did was confirm the creator was not an admin. -- Tavix (talk) 21:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although its existed since 2023 its already been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a title that should have never been created, considering titles containing at least one set of consecutive apostrophes have been restricted from creation via the title creation blacklist for almost a decade. Also, per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 20#Several redirects that have wiki markup in their titles, a huge nomination I did about a decade ago that I don't want to have to repeat ... since that is what the title creation blacklist entry is for. Steel1943 (talk) 20:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment AFAIK, I created this because it was a red-link; I never even realised it was a double ' which was used Huldra (talk) 21:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Huldra: Possibly: I just noticed a link to this redirect existed on Myrtle Watkins. I have since replaced the link with a link to Bill "Bojangles" Robinson (quotation marks). But yeah, best watch for the warning messages when creating redirects next time: Sometimes, the solution may be to fix the link, rather than creating a new redirect to make the existing link blue. Steel1943 (talk) 22:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Cannot recall getting any warning message when making that redir; I just make so many redirs as I usually edit i the I/P area, and names are spelled in many different ways in Hebrew and Arabic, I am fine with you deleting this reddir, btw, Huldra (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Toki Pon
[edit]Seems like an implausible typo (or at least no more plausible than any other page name without the final letter), not linked from anywhere, created only a year ago by a user with a history of non-contructive editing. AVDLCZ (talk) 12:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this does not appear to be an alternative name or common error. Thryduulf (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Chafarinas''s skink
[edit]Template:United States women;s volleyball squad 2012 Summer Olympics
[edit]- Template:United States women;s volleyball squad 2012 Summer Olympics → Template:United States women's volleyball squad 2012 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL typo; this was the name of the template for less than half an hour. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Per the edit history of the target, seems the nominated redirect would have been eligible for {{Db-typo}} speedy deletion if the tag was placed on the redirect shortly after the move revert in 2013. Steel1943 (talk) 21:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- (To clarify, it was not a revert but a subsequent further move.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed it wasn't a revert, but it was clearly a move away from the title of the redirect after the 2nd page mover realized the 1st page mover's blunder. Steel1943 (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- (To clarify, it was not a revert but a subsequent further move.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Wirth;s Circus
[edit]War of Jenkin;s Ear
[edit]- War of Jenkin;s Ear → War of Jenkins' Ear (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL misspelling. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although its existed since 2009 its always been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Million;s Poet
[edit]- Million;s Poet → Million's Poet (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not sure why this was created in the first place, but the misspelling seems WP:UNNATURAL. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although its existed since 2008 its always been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Daggett;s Mill, Pennsylvania
[edit]- Daggett;s Mill, Pennsylvania → Daggett, Pennsylvania (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL misspelling. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although its existed since 2018 its always been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Hispanized Southeast Asia
[edit]- Hispanized Southeast Asia → Philippines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
To me this seems like an implausible search term for the Philippines. ★Trekker (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- See also Sinicized Southeast Asia. Mentioned in https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/abs/local-integration-and-eurasian-analogies-structuring-southeast-asian-history-c-1350c-1830/041F3B980324C778E2771719BC85C326. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have never heard that term in my life and it's overly complicated. I did Southeast Asian studies in university; that source is on regional history 1350-1830. Fetch isn't gonna happen, surely. Jondvdsn1 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Su85b
[edit]No mention on the target page. The tank does appear to be real though, so maybe a mention could be added to the article? Only source I can find on it though is an article on a website called "Warspot" that doesn't seem to have much fact checking. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 04:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's definitely a thing, even though most of the many English-language hits relate to its appearance in World of Tanks (most commonly rendered as "SU-85b" the hyphenless version does get plenty of hits) it is not just we have a picture at File:СУ-85Б.webp which led to my discovering the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have articles about it. There is a mention at List of armoured fighting vehicles by country#Soviet Union, but that doesn't say more than that it was based on the SU-76 prototype; SU-76#Variants has a sentence. Draft:SU-85B was deleted under G13 in 2020, but it was just a single sentence "The SU-85B was a prototype Soviet tank destroyer based on the SU-76.". If we decide not to delete this then SU-85B should be created as a redirect to the same target, but what target that would be or whether deletion per WP:REDLINK would be better I don't know. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to SU-76 where it is mentioned as a variant. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Photosite
[edit]mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Life as we do not know it
[edit]- Life as we do not know it → Peter Ward (paleontologist)#Selected works (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggest this be retargeted for now to the new dab page at Life as we don't know it. The correct uppercase version for this use, Life as We Do Not Know It, doesn't exist, nor do redirects exist for any of the other works mentioned at the current target. See also previous Rfd at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_September_27#Life_as_We_don't_Know_It. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I added the book to the new target into "See also" --Altenmann >talk 01:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it is: None of the articles in the DAB actually make reference to the term "Life as we do not know it" (with or without contraction, with any capitalization). The article of Peter Ward at least mentions the book "Life as We Do Not Know It: The NASA Search for (and Synthesis of) Alien Life" (and redirecting "Book title" to "Book title: the subtitle" is fine) Cambalachero (talk) 03:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Bīn
[edit]What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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double bind-shaped dilemmas
[edit]- Damned if you do, damned if you don't → Dilemma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stuck between a rock and a hard place → Dilemma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not that i'm a professional in the area of dilemmas, but those specific dilemmas sound like double binds. opinions on retargeting to that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't retarget/Weak delete. The usefulness of these is dubious to begin with, as I'd hope for something talking about the phrases specifically, or maybe even some kind of common linguistic phenomenon. But double bind looks more like technical psychology stuff, while the phrases and dilemma are more just about the everyday sense rather than something technical. I wouldn't even be opposed to deleting, but whatever I guess. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget Stuck between a rock and a hard place to between a rock and a hard place. Retarget Damned if you do, damned if you don't to wikt:. Seemingly best solutions for now; can revisit if they are mentioned and expounded at length somewhere in the future. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 01:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and soft redirect to wikt:damned if one does and damned if one doesn't per Godsy. Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election
[edit]- Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election → Opinion polling for the 2023 Turkish general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nonsense to have a redirect that constantly changes targets as per WP:ROUTINE. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note Next election in Denmark, which as previously been discussed in an RfD. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Next Turkish parliamentary election#Opinion polls. Redirects like this need at most one to two edits every circa five years (some of which can be/are done automatically by bot). That's a very low maintenance burden for redirects that are very useful. Thryduulf (talk) 15:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Russia;s anti-LGBT law
[edit]- Russia;s anti-LGBT law → Russian anti-LGBT law (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Very unlikely punctuation Rusalkii (talk) 19:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep; semicolon and apostrophe are next to each other on most English QWERTY keyboards. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this WP:UNNATURAL typo. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per 1234qwer1234qwer4. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
-ussy
[edit]- Trussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clownussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Thrussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Þussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ghussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dunmussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Orcussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ayleidussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Akulakhanakussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Morbussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chaurussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Corpussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Daedrussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tentaclussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Spidussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Khajussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these are mentioned in the article. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...oh boy. judging from the "mature" mindset of someone who would want to find redirects to this article
- trussy: keep as "haha heehee trans pussy"
- clownussy: keep as plausible alternate spelling of "clussy"
- grussy: keep if it can be argued that it stems from gru, otherwise delete
- morbussy: keep as "oh god we're still doing morbius memes"
- corpussy: SPEEDY DELETE AND SALT, WHAT WAS THE CREATOR THINKING
- tentaclussy: torn between voting to delete as that is the exact opposite of what a tentacle is supposed to do, and keeping per those people's... lacking knowledge in biology
- spidussy: keep as one of the oldest, most iconic -ussy memes i know of. as in it actually predates -ussy being a meme
- and delete all the others as obscure cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as not mentioned at target, except Clownussy which should be retargeted to Coulrophilia as a {{R avoided double redirect|Clussy}}. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- and the things Hyphenation Expert says to do below. Queen of Hearts (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep grussy and thrussy; they are mentioned at target. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect Þussy → wikt:þussy. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 07:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Thussy
[edit]Not mentioned in target. Does have a wiktionary:thussy wiktionary entry. Rusalkii (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Finally figured out the mass RfD tool to nominate a number of this redirect's siblings above Rusalkii (talk) 19:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep; plausible alternative spelling of Thatchussy, which is mentioned? Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)- Oh, I should've read the Wiktionary entry; this is a totally different thing. Soft redirect as not mentioned. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect Wiktionary. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 07:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Nussy
[edit]"Nussy" not mentioned in main article. Appears to refer to the nose and, uh, may in fact make sense to add to the article? But as long as it isn't in target we shouldn't have the redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 19:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm sorry. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're not forgiven. That being said, switching to keep as nom. Rusalkii (talk) 21:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (reluctantly), now that the article has a mention. mwwv converse∫edits 12:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Win quote
[edit]- Win quote → Glossary of video game terms#Win quote (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This does not seem to be mentioned at the target any more. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague. I just got a bunch of inspirational qoutes from GSearch. Now I'll go home and be a family man. --Lenticel (talk) 01:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Sony ARW 1.0
[edit]- Sony ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target page no longer describes any versions of this particular raw image format (and it would probably be WP:UNDUE to do so). There are some mentions at List of cameras supporting a raw format. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Libopenraw
[edit]- Libopenraw → Raw image format (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. Does not seem to be related to LibRaw or OpenRAW. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Ricoh GR
[edit]- Ricoh GR → Ricoh GR (large sensor compact camera) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It seems that this ought to be disambiguated betweeen the pages listed in the hatnotes at the target. (Otherwise, the target should be moved back to this title.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per nom; no PTOPIC between the series of film cameras and the series of digital cameras. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Lord Jabu-Jabu
[edit]- Lord Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lord Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Character/dungeon of the Legend of Zelda universe that is not mentioned in the target article, Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The only mention of this character on Wikipedia seems to be at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, but I'm pretty sure that target is not the target readers trying to information about this character are intending to go, meaning deletion is probably preferred over retargeting there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If there were a lot of page views I'd contend that it should just be changed to mention Jabu-Jabu on the characters or OoT article, but none of them are even double digits, suggesting no one is really using these redirects anyway. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cukie Gherkin: Just FYI, I apparently had an edit conflict with you when I updated my rationale to include finding a mention at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, in case that changes your stance. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Page views aren't necessarily a concern regarding readers finding this information; what's more important is that the information exists if any reader is trying to find that information. Meaning ... should this character be added to an article, probably Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? (I'm assuming that the content was previously at its current target, considering the target is coded in these redirects, and you are the creator of Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time [assuming my requested history merge has not occurred yet].) Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think my stance remains the same, as I don't think people would expect to be taken there if they do search for it. As far as page views, they were just offered as an example of an incentive for perhaps mentioning Jabu-Jabu somewhere if he was someone people were searching. As far as the characters page, I think the most that could be done would be to mention Jabu Jabu under Ruto's page, but I'm not sure that would really be enough to warrant redirects. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]- Children's games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Children's Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens' games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was originally considering WP:BOLDly retargeting these redirects to disambiguation page Children's toys and games to allow readers to determine which page they were intending to find if they searched these terms (the current target is listed at Children's toys and games), but ... the existence of Children's Games (Bruegel) complicates that due to WP:DIFFCAPS. I'm still believing that these redirects should be retargeted to Children's toys and games, but I'm not sure if Children's Games (Bruegel) should be moved to Children's Games per both WP:DIFFCAPS and since ... retargeting Children's Games to Children's toys and games and then listing Children's Games (Bruegel) in the "See also" section seems to both be odd and have no precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move Children's Games (Bruegel) to Children's Games, then retarget all to Children's Games, and then add hatnote to List of children's games. I think the painting here should be the primary topic here as it has this specific name, while "List of children's games" is more general and has a few different aliases that mean the same thing (eg. Playground games, Folk games, etc). BugGhost🦗👻 13:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's okay to handle the upper-case and lower-case versions differently, per WP:DIFFCAPS. Retarget the lower-case versions to Children's toys and games per nom as ambiguous. Disambiguate Children's Games between Children's toys and games, Children's Games (Bruegel), and International Children's Games. Retarget Childrens Games to the new disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 17:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Mario party revolution
[edit]- Mario party revolution → Mario Party 8 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not able to locate any references that refer to Mario Party 8 as "Mario Party Revolution" or any variation of that phrase. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator's information Red Director (talk) 21:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - The Wii was codenamed "Revolution" prior to its final release, and this game was announced early on, so conceptually, it makes sense, though I'm unsure this term was ever actually used... Sergecross73 msg me 22:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like the term has been used somewhat commonly by various people online (Google "Mario party revolution"). I cannot find any official usage though. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Metal Mario
[edit]No mention of "Metal Mario" on the target page. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article in the page history without prejudice to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. It would be very easy to add a sourced mention - it's an alternate name for Mario when he uses a "power up" that makes his body look like metal. Sources like this outline it. An alternate target could be at Super Mario 64#Gameplay, where it's already touched on some there. That's where the concept originated, though it's been used in many games now, so its current target is probably preferable. Sergecross73 msg me 12:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as Metal Mario is a significant recurring character in the Mario franchise spin-offs and thus a plausible search term. A mention should be added at the subject, but I am unopposed to a redirect to Super Mario 64 if that is deemed a better solution. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Fire Mario redirects to Super Mario#Projectiles, Tanooki Mario to Super Mario Bros. 3. Those are about all the 'Marios' I know for sure. Taking a guess at some extra Marios, Ice Mario redirects to Super Mario, and then Hammer Mario and Invincible Mario don't have any pages or redirects. Will readers be expecting to be redirected to wildly disparate pages when they're all effectively variations of the same character? 122141510 (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Super Mario 64#Health, lives, and power-ups, akin to Metal Cap, where it's actually discussed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Dalaran
[edit]Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King#Northrend, where it is covered. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Vashj'ir
[edit]Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is one of a handful of primary locations introduced with the expansion. Should already be mentioned. It is not arcane cruft. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft IV
[edit]Looks like someone's crystal ball was faulty. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- my slightly less malfunction-prone crystal ball foresees deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete doesn't exist and not mentioned at target. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Would have been great though. --Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete we have no relevant content. Thryduulf (talk) 11:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Great Dark
[edit]Mentioned once in passing at the target and seems to refer to unrelated topics as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete this one as vague; no opinion on the others. could refer to the great dark pit of tarrare's mouth for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment would it be a good redirect to the Great Dark Spot or is that too much of a partial title match? --Lenticel (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Howling Fjord
[edit]- Howling Fjord → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King#Northrend. Gonnym (talk) 19:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as above. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Hellfire Peninsula
[edit]- Hellfire Peninsula → Warcraft#Draenor (Outland) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as above. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Lordaeron City
[edit]- Lordaeron City → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - "city of Lordaeron" is, in fact, mentioned within that section. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
High Council of Lordaeron
[edit]- High Council of Lordaeron → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Undermine (Warcraft)
[edit]- Undermine (Warcraft) → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Hozen
[edit]- Hozen → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned a few times at World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria but search is finding a number of unrelated uses so I'm not sure the fictional race is the primary topic. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional primates if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment would this be a good redirect for Hōzen-ji the "ji" part just means temple --Lenticel (talk) 02:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Nerubian
[edit]- Nerubian → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Mummy (undead) and at World of Warcraft: The War Within but neither of those have enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional arthropods if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Arakkoa
[edit]- Arakkoa → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Minor plot element not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator, happy for this to die. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional birds or one of it subsets, if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The Arakkoa have enough sourcing for a mention, see here. I'd say it should probably be mentioned in and retargeted to World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor, which introduced the Spires of Arak area with a lot of Arakkoa characters, I'm just not sure where. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
World of warcraft mounts
[edit]- World of warcraft mounts → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of mounts at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too obscure and in-universe. This is more suited for WoW fandoms/ wikia. --Lenticel (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Naga (Warcraft)
[edit]- Naga (Warcraft) → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Warcraft#Azeroth but not really with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games, where it is mentioned. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly that article itself should probably be sent to AfD. It's a pile of poorly-sourced trivia with no real focus, and if it were cleaned up properly it would probably no longer mention the naga. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
M-Block
[edit]previously nominated under the grounds that 'm (a glitch similar to missingno.) isn't mentioned in the target article, and kept so that a mention could be added maybe probably. ignoring the part where it wasn't, i forgot one crucial detail in the first discussion... 'm isn't actually referred to as "m-block". the primary topic for every variation of this name seems to be makeblock, which already has mblock as a redirect to it. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Milk & Cream
[edit]- Milk & Cream → PaRappa the Rapper (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned in any parappa-related articles. to my surprise, milk and cream are closely associated. almost like cream is a dairy product or something. that aside, i haven't found any other possible targets for "milk and cream", so i'll vote for deletion instead of retargeting or dabifying cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Most google hits are, unsurprisingly, people selling milk and cream (or ice cream). Rusalkii (talk) 03:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Nigerian Agip Oil Company
[edit]The NAOC company is owned by Oando PLC since 2024, so Agip has nothing to do with the NAOC company. It should be redirected to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oando . Svetlana Orlova 1987 (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Eli Kowaz
[edit]- Eli Kowaz → Israel Policy Forum#Eli Kowaz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. There was a lot (probably too much) content on him earlier, which was removed by User:IPFcomms with the rationale that he was no longer with the org. Unsure if content on him should be in the article, but if it isn't the redirect should be deleted. Rusalkii (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The AfD provided grist to doubt his notability even with the IPF; now that he's no longer there it makes no sense for the redirect to be to IPF. Longhornsg (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @CFA restored the section covering Eli Kowaz, with justification "Restoring section removed by promotional editor". If the section is kept (which I think it shouldn't be, see e.g. LinkedIn confirming he is no longer at the company), the redirect should be too. Rusalkii (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Formicapunk
[edit]- Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example [28], and [29]. And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I agree with this assessment. The redirects should be deleted and the reintroduction of the material should be reverted due to a lack of WP:RS. - Eureka Lott 21:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but also consider Retarget. In the case these redirects aren't appropriate for their current article, maybe a better destination would be Retrofuturism#Genres and the redirect-category could be changed to "R with possibilities". Also, the text in the Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk section could be moved there. Ae-a (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Please note that the section has again been removed from the target article. - Eureka Lott 16:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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WP:IRS
[edit]- Wikipedia:IRS → Wikipedia:Reliable sources (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Independent sources. It seems strange and confusing that WP:IRS redirects to a different place than WP:Independent reliable sources does. One is just an abbreviation of the other, and the inclusion of the 'I' seems to emphasise independence – otherwise, it is sufficient to refer to WP:RS / WP:Reliable sources. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for years the policy was at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 27#Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I don't think the specific independant sources page is more likely than the general one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Independent sources because reliable sources are also discussed there. Sources can be reliable without being independent. C F A 💬 23:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nazi resistance
[edit]I suggest disambiguating between Werwolf and German resistance to Nazism or simply changing the target to the latter. Personally, I have the impression that when most people refer to "Nazi resistance", they are thinking about resistance to the Nazis, not resistance by the Nazis, although perhaps it is not a very clear phrasing. A dispute is evident in the redirect's edit history. — BarrelProof (talk) 00:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support retarget to German resistance to Nazism; seems like a more natural redirect target than what it is currently. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 02:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete -- not a helpful redirect to either topic. It does read to me as subversive activities by the Nazis, but unclear what they were "resisting" against. Too ambiguous to be useful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Resistance during World War II, which covers the resistance movements mentioned above and many others. - Eureka Lott 15:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per K.e.coffman. Note that the two proposed targets are the first and second result when searching for "Nazi resistance", and Werwolf is no. 5 (no. 4 when excluding the redirect), so we can let the search results deal with it. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I just looked and found two articles that were linking to that redirect: Hasserode and Shlomo Shafir; I believe the Hasserode article was intending to link to German resistance to Nazism. The Shlomo Shafir article appeared to be trying to link to Resistance during World War II or more specifically to Resistance in Lithuania during World War II. Neither one of them was really intending to link to Werwolf. Linking to Resistance during World War II would have been an acceptable target for both of them, but it might be best to just delete or disambiguate the link (e.g., with three possible meanings: Resistance during World War II, German resistance to Nazism, and Werwolf) for the sake of clarity. I just edited both articles to correct them. — BarrelProof (talk) 00:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Resistance during World War II is a WP:BROADCONCEPT article that already links to many possible meanings for this term. There's no need for a disambiguation page when we have an existing article that accomplishes the same thing. - Eureka Lott 20:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Murloc
[edit]- Murloc → Thrall_(Warcraft)#Warcraft_III (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect - the target section makes one passing mention with no context, leaving anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan more confused than they were before. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would The Murlocs be a viable target? Also, you might want to consider adding Murlocs in this RfD. --Lenticel (talk) 06:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine for Murlocs, and I've boldly retargeted it there rather than adding it to this discussion. I think it's too far off for the singular Murloc to be plausible, but definitely a better target than the current one. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games. The fictional creature was already listed there, but I went ahead and added a reference. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Cone of answers
[edit]- Cone of answers → Rubber duck debugging (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unfortunately not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia (and technically seems to have a broader context than programming). 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Duck technique
[edit]- Duck technique → Law of triviality#Related principles and formulations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Atwood's duck → Law of triviality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. I suppose the first one could refer to Rubber duck debugging? 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - A reference to part of the content removed in this edit. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development and merge some of the former content there. Unfortunately, sourcing appears to be such that it is only seemingly appropriate to cover it there (maybe leave a link in the see also section) for the time being. The other term is likely vague and will remain unmentioned, but neutral in its regard. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development and merge some of the former content there. The law of triviality page used to have details of Atwood's duck but has since been improved to death and all the interesting details have been removed because reasons. @Godsy 's retarget would cure this. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 11:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Beyond the Big Bang
[edit]It seems that this should redirect to Willem B. Drees, where the book is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom --Lenticel (talk) 08:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Sfaraddi
[edit]Implausible redirect. This is an extremely uncommon spelling of Sefardi or Sephardi. No pages link here and no editing history. Four pageviews in the last year. Jprg1966 (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Child diddler
[edit]- Child diddler → Pedophilia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't think we need redirects for every slang term referring to pedophiles and I doubt readers will use this as a search term when, unfortunately, most people are now familiar with the term "pedophile". It makes me wonder what other slang terms for this concept have been used for redirects. Liz Read! Talk! 22:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: agreed, this is very silly. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Based on some quick research, the only other slang redirect I can find is Kiddie fiddler. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's not even a common variant of the name, come on. delete, don't let me see this on my earth again cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or delete if this redirects anywhere it should be to Child sexual abuse as the term is not used to refer to a psychological disorder but to people who sexually abuse children (who may or may not be paedophiles). It's a theoretically plausible search term but as it was nominated here on the same day statistics for whether it is actually used do not exist so we cannot say whether it is useful in practice or not. Thryduulf (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents
[edit]- Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents → Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team#User right (global) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:OTRS members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Otrs members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should ideally point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not certain they should necessarily as, per the first target, VRT permissions agents are a subset of VRT members. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- But the target of "OTRS members" is exactly about the "VRT permissions agents" group. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
The pandemic
[edit]- The pandemic → COVID-19 pandemic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:Recentism - There have been numerous pandemics over time and also, the coronavirus pandemic is pretty much over, I'm pretty sure if you mention "The pandemic", a bunch of people would not think you're referring to COVID-19. Additionally, if someone wants to access information about the Coronavirus pandemic on Wikipedia, he/she will obviously not just search "the pandemic". This redirect is pointless in its current form, I would suggest a retarget to pandemic. Mondtaler (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to first discussion. Keep per arguments made there. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yup. It's a silly redirect. There are currently many pandemics (HIV/AIDS, mpox) so this was just a lazy shorthand. Bon courage (talk) 15:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- while i know what makes this pandemic "the" as of writing this (hell, i apparently had that shit thrice in the first few months), there could very possibly be another worldwide pandemic that ends up being considered "the" before the 22st century. i'll say retarget to pandemic, if only due to precedent with other "the [article title]" redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Pandemic (disambiguation) and let the readers decide what they want to read about. --Lenticel (talk) 00:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget. As I argued in the first discussion, the current target fails the WP:10YEARTEST. There have been many pandemics in history; recent examples include the 2009 swine flu pandemic and the HIV pandemic. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 10YEARTEST is about article content, and while there are theoretically many pandemics that could be referred to as "the pandemic" only one currently is. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Pandemic (my preference) or Pandemic (disambiguation). At this point, it could be any number of outbreaks - HIV, Mpox, H5N1, etc. Crossroads -talk- 22:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the previous discussion: Covid-19 is still the primary topic for this search term. That might change in the future, but unless and until it does the current target is the most helpful to readers using this search term now. Thryduulf (talk) 14:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- the fact that it might happen again is only half of the issue. the other (possibly more important) half is that it has happened before. see crossroads' examples cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whether it is or isn't likely to happen in the future is irrelevant. Whether it has or hasn't happened to other terms is also irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether there is or is not currently a primary topic for "The pandemic", and the evidence is that there is: 100% of hits on the first 5 pages of Google results, even when restricted to pages published in the last month, refer to Covid-19. When there is a primary topic for a search term we redirect readers to the article about that primary topic, regardless of how likely or otherwise it is that someone using the same search term at some future point will be looking for the same thing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- that is... also not how that works. keeping it as a redirect to one event would downplay previous events' notability and warrant a retarget every time something of the sort happens. if a topic is "currently primary", then what does that word even mean? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- A topic is primary if
- It is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.; and/or
- If it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.
- All the evidence presented points to covid-19 being not only "much more likely" than any other single topic but almost exclusively among things published since early 2020. As for long-term significance, it has at least equal long-term notability and educational value to any other event referred to as "the pandemic" (which at this point no other events are). As for retargetting, this is a wiki - it can, does and should change to reflect changes in the real world because that's the point of it. Topics get moved to and from the base title (primary topic) and redirects get updated to reflect real world changes in primary topic all the time without controversy. Thryduulf (talk) 19:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- A topic is primary if
- that is... also not how that works. keeping it as a redirect to one event would downplay previous events' notability and warrant a retarget every time something of the sort happens. if a topic is "currently primary", then what does that word even mean? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whether it is or isn't likely to happen in the future is irrelevant. Whether it has or hasn't happened to other terms is also irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether there is or is not currently a primary topic for "The pandemic", and the evidence is that there is: 100% of hits on the first 5 pages of Google results, even when restricted to pages published in the last month, refer to Covid-19. When there is a primary topic for a search term we redirect readers to the article about that primary topic, regardless of how likely or otherwise it is that someone using the same search term at some future point will be looking for the same thing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- the fact that it might happen again is only half of the issue. the other (possibly more important) half is that it has happened before. see crossroads' examples cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Pandemic, there's no primary topic when considering long-term significance. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is explicitly not determined from regurgitating Google results:
simple web searches may be problematic due to limited sources, open interpretation, and personal search bias
. -- Tavix (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- Can you find any evidence that this is not the primary topic for people searching for this term now? I've tried, repeatedly and extensively and failed every time. If you find any evidence the to contrary then present it rather than just vaguely waving to a guideline that explicitly says searches "might" (not "are") problematic. Separately, it's pretty rich to say that the covid-19 pandemic is something without long-term significance. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- this pandemic is significant, just probably not to a word with more than one big event associated with it
- will also reiterate my point that discussions about "the [article title]" redirects tend to just be retargeted to their the-deprived counterparts cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
probably not to a word with more than one big event associated with it
We're discussing "The pandemic" not "Pandemic", there is no evidence that anybody searching for "The pandemic" is looking for something other than Covid-19.discussions about "the [article title]" redirects tend to just be retargeted to their the-deprived counterparts
that's WP:OTHERSTUFF. Where "The [article title]" redirects have a primary topic they redirect to that primary topic, where they don't they redirect to a dab page (or don't exist). Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)- As an example of the latter I've just stumbled across (by making the same typo as someone on the redirect's talk page) - The Lettuce redirects to Liz Truss lettuce. Thryduulf (talk) 14:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
no primary topic when considering long-term significance
≠something without long-term significance
. Covid-19 is the 5th worst pandemic by death toll. It has has long-term significance, but not over and above all other pandemics. -- Tavix (talk) 00:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)- You've successfully demonstrated that the target article should not be at the title "Pandemic" and that there is no grounds on the basis of long term significance to redirect "Pandemic" to the Covid-19 article but that's not what this article is about. We're discussing where "The pandemic" should redirect, but nobody has provided any evidence that anybody is looking for any other topic at this title - let alone that Covid is not the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nice straw man, but to reiterate: I am arguing for "The Pandemic" to target "Pandemic" NOT for "COVID-19 pandemic" to be renamed "Pandemic". -- Tavix (talk) 14:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I know that's what you are arguing for but you've yet to provide any evidence to support "The Pandemic" having no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 16:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nice straw man, but to reiterate: I am arguing for "The Pandemic" to target "Pandemic" NOT for "COVID-19 pandemic" to be renamed "Pandemic". -- Tavix (talk) 14:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- You've successfully demonstrated that the target article should not be at the title "Pandemic" and that there is no grounds on the basis of long term significance to redirect "Pandemic" to the Covid-19 article but that's not what this article is about. We're discussing where "The pandemic" should redirect, but nobody has provided any evidence that anybody is looking for any other topic at this title - let alone that Covid is not the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you find any evidence that this is not the primary topic for people searching for this term now? I've tried, repeatedly and extensively and failed every time. If you find any evidence the to contrary then present it rather than just vaguely waving to a guideline that explicitly says searches "might" (not "are") problematic. Separately, it's pretty rich to say that the covid-19 pandemic is something without long-term significance. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Reticulum cell sarcoma
[edit]- Reticulum cell sarcoma → Sarcoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reticulum-cell sarcoma → Sarcoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently not mentioned at the target. More specific articles like Contagious reticulum cell sarcoma mention this, but I'm not sure there is a generic description of this on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to contagious reticulum cell sarcoma – both redirects appear to be good search terms, and sarcoma is linked in the proposed target. I think that would help readers and researchers more. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 21:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's the only cancer the term is referring to, so it might lead to confusion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- CRCS appears to be the only RCS presently covered on Wikipedia, so confusion is unlikely for now. When other types are covered with their own articles, such as intraocular RCS, RCS of the thyroid gland, RCS of the spleen, RCS of the bone, RCS of the lymph node, and so on, then this title, "Reticulum cell sarcoma", can become an overview article or a dab page. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 02:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- PS. We should note here that the other redirect would then, of course, be retargeted to the new overview article or dab page as an unprintworthy {{redirect from modification}}. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 02:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now another one is mentioned at the Skin sarcoma article (recently created from the discussion below). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Since this was relisted, that referenced closed discussion is found at WP:RFD/2024 August 14#Sarcoma of skin. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 16:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now another one is mentioned at the Skin sarcoma article (recently created from the discussion below). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Gay cake
[edit]- Gay cake → Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gay cake case → Lee v Ashers Baking Company Ltd and others (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
At the moment, the two target articles are connected by hatnotes, which might end up being the best solution, but I believe it's less than ideal for the two redirects to have different targets. My main suggestion is to Disambiguate (that is, turn gay cake case into a DAB page), especially as it's possible that another lawsuit could arise from a similar situation. However, "gay cake case" is explicitly cited in the Lee v Ashers article but not in Masterpiece Cakeshop, and "gay cake" on its own doesn't immediately suggest that the article is about a lawsuit. My secondary suggestion is therefore to Delete gay cake only. Tevildo (talk) 23:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget/Convert Gay cake case to a disambiguation page, Delete Gay cake - Even with context "Gay cake" is a mite ambiguous; "Gay cake case" is a lot more obvious but the fact there's multiple cases like this is an argument for dabbing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For context, at the time I redirected Gay cake case to the eponymous subsection: LGBT rights in Northern Ireland#Gay cake case. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Gay cake case, all results on the first two pages of Google for "Gay cake case" are Lee v Ashers, making it the primary topic, Masterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado Civil Rights Commission is the WP:ONEOTHER topic and should be a hatnote on Lee v Ashers. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, should gay cake be deleted, retargetted to Lee v Ashers, or kept as a redirect to Masterpiece Cakeshop? Tevildo (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm undecided, but the results seem similar to Gay cake case, in which case it should also be a redirect to Lee v Ashers. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, should gay cake be deleted, retargetted to Lee v Ashers, or kept as a redirect to Masterpiece Cakeshop? Tevildo (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make Gay cake case into a disambig page, redirect Gay cake to that page. --Bensin (talk) 22:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Gay cake case. Masterpiece is not commonly nicknamed "the gay cake case", unlike Ashers. Lean delete Gay cake per nom. SilverLocust 💬 05:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Dab and redirect per nom, Jeske, and Bensin. As common search terms, Lee has no more claim to the primary topic. This is the best balance of preserving and serving users with least astonishment. czar 14:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep "gay cake case" for Lee v Ashers as that's the primary topic. Delete "gay cake" as that's a vague term that's not necessarily related to either legal case. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make Gay cake case into a disambiguation page, delete Gay cake. --Un assiolo (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Gay cake case and redirect Gay cake, per Bensin and Czar. The phrase is clearly ambiguous, and the redirect is cheap. BD2412 T 00:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Well, excuse me!
[edit]- Well, excuse me! → Steve Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Let's Get Small as the album from the current target which this phrase is most associated, but then I remembered ... people looking up this phrase could reasonably be trying to find The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!#Premise where a version of the subject of the article Link (The Legend of Zelda) is notable for saying "Well, excuse me, princess!" and since Well excuse me princess redirects there. Seems like a case of "disambiguate" or "retarget" and I'm not sure which, even with the fact that this redirect is a partial match for the Link phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Was thinking about nominating this one too, also while having "well excuse me princess" on my mind.
- As the inclusion of the word "well" is never mentioned in any context preceding the title "Excuse Me" in the album, I'd prefer to delete this, but a retarget is better than a keep. Retargeting brings this title closer to its potential context (moreso than a general pass towards the person that presumably said the phrase), but without any mention of the "well" bit, there's no indication in the article that people would search for this instead of Excuse Me (the song on the album; the song, which does not appear on the Excuse Me disambiguation page). It does not seem necessary to target this title to Excuse Me either. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- dabify or add all redirects missing the word "princess" to "excuse me" per 50% of what steel said, but also per "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess"
- wait, no, wrong quote, i mean "that's only barely uncommon enough to probably warrant the dab" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Let's Get Small as originally considered. That seems like a pretty good approach, as it explains the evolution into a catchphrase. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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ZSJ
[edit]Principle of least astonishment. Should be retargeted to Zack Sabre Jr., a moderately popular professional wrestler which I daresay would be more on the average reader's mind than a rural airport. Sceptre (talk) 11:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. There are many ZSJs and we should disambiguate between them, none of which are the primary topic for the acronym. czar 14:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or Dab. Not sure why this is up for discussion and should have just Wikipedia:Be bold. The redirect was created in 2005 (the wrestler in 2016) when I couldn't find another target. They either didn't exist or didn't have ZSJ in the body. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 14:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Czar. I also see, for what it's worth, ZSJ Škodovy závody and ZSJ Technomat Teplice, which might be referenced in a see also section. BD2412 T 00:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Kevin Tucker (anarchist)
[edit]- Kevin Tucker (anarchist) → Green anarchism#Anarcho-primitivism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirects to an article that does not even mention the subject. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect has extensive history - not sure if RFD is the right place for this discussion? Might merit a procedural close and an AFD instead. -- asilvering (talk) 08:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Anarcho-primitivism#Adoption and practice. I had added citations for Kevin Tucker and Species Traitor to the discussed Green anarchism#Anarcho-primitivism section in 2021 because I did not think anarcho-primitivism would substantiate its own article. I've restored those citations in the suggested retarget location, where someone searching for the topic would expect to read about Carson and related periodicals. If there is more written on the topic, it can always split out in summary style. czar 14:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Fighting TV Samurai
[edit]- Fighting TV Samurai → ja:FIGHTING TV サムライ (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, unless there is an appropriate local target for this page. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 02:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel (talk) 06:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
New Zealand 2015 (Association football event)
[edit]- New Zealand 2015 (Association football event) → 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Multiple 2015 association football events in New Zealand that could be just as likely targets. See 2015 Chatham Cup and 2015 Women's Knockout Cup. There are many recent similar creations by this editor that I will begin going through and try to bulk nom. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This should be kept. Those two events were recurring events in New Zealand. Abhiramakella (talk) 21:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The redirect is ambiguous and I don't believe anybody would ever be searching for any of those events by that name, so I don't think it's a useful search term. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I made this redirect because this was the only major association football event held in 2015. New Zealand 2015 redirects to 2015 in New Zealand. Abhiramakella (talk) 21:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The logo for this event refers to it as "New Zealand 2015." The other two events mentioned by the nominator are not international competitions and thus did not need to be labeled as being in N.Z. Thus, I do not foresee any potential ambiguity. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- As is, I still find it a bit ambiguous as all are association football events in New Zealand in 2015. At the very least, shouldn't "association" be lower case? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll concede the lower case styling. But, unless there's evidence that the Chatham Cup or the Women's Knockout Cup are referred to as "New Zealand 2015," I do not see how this is ambiguous. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- As is, I still find it a bit ambiguous as all are association football events in New Zealand in 2015. At the very least, shouldn't "association" be lower case? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this appears to be the clear primary topic (possibly the only topic) for the search term. Thryduulf (talk) 14:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
🆥
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#🆥
Elite slaves
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Elite slaves
Curvaceous
[edit]Sturmian morphism
[edit]- Sturmian morphism → Free monoid#Morphisms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, seems to be related to Sturmian_word#Sturmian_endomorphisms. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've never heard of them before, but that seems obviously correct. Why discuss this at all? Rp (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because I've never heard of that term before either. :-) 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Economic totalitarianism
[edit]- Economic totalitarianism → Compulsory cartel#Types of compulsory cartels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It was originally an essay, which got turned into a redirect. The redirect target was changed several times until someone finally found an article that actually mentioned "economic totalitarianism", but that mention has since been removed because it was a POV-pushing essay. Hence, there is no plausible target. Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Walter Nash. Paradoctor (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was used as a bit of political rhetoric in a single memorandum. It is absolutely inappropriate to link there just because of that. There are a few other mentions of "economic totalitarianism" in other articles. They are all similar one-off rhetorical accusations. There is no good target. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Vimina
[edit]This was originally a redirect to Vien (Hasidic dynasty) (which, I'm not sure why, was retargeted to the same target as this one despite initially pointing at Vien (Hasidic community)). I don't know what this redirect is supposed to refer to, but the botanical term is mentioned in Branch#Specific_terms. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Branch#Specific terms per nom where this term is mentioned. CycloneYoris talk! 20:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Elmira station
[edit]- Elmira station → Elmira, Ontario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not discussed at the target article; there are several former stations in Elmira, New York, that a user might be looking for (also undiscussed). Should be returned to a red link. Mackensen (talk) 17:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Koi Mil Gaya 3
[edit]- Koi Mil Gaya 3 → Krrish 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Koi... Mil Gaya 3 → Krrish 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Again no such movies exists. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Koi Mil Gaya 2
[edit]- Koi Mil Gaya 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Koi... Mil Gaya 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krish 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krrish 2 (2010 film) → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krrish 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no such movie titled Krrish 2 or Koi Mil Gaya 2, Krrish's prequel's title is Koi... Mil Gaya and sequel's title is Krrish 3 but Krrish 2 or Koi Mil Gaya 2 doesn't exist. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Krish 1
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Krish 1
Strawman (literal)
[edit]- Strawman (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Straw man (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case, this one. results are torn between every possible thing that can be and is referred to as a literal straw man (from scarecrows to straw men to straw man), and also donald trump. straw man (literal) was seemingly accidentally moved by a bot to avoid a double redirect, though its talk page still redirects to the dummy. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Straw man (disambiguation) is my first thought, and that does include a link to scarecrow (disambiguation). Treat it as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- seems good, i support retargeting it to straw man (disambiguation) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete because the disambiguator makes no sense in terms on what available subjects are currently on Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to sound repetitive but this comment again makes me go "eh?" - I don't understand how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is at all relevant here? We have a plausible search term that people are apparently using but which could refer to multiple different articles. When that happens we disambiguate because multiple articles exist. What is rhetorical and literal is not subjective in this case - either something is a man made that is literally made of straw or it isn't. Someone using this search term knows they don't want the article about the type of argument or other figurative uses but they don't know that we have articles about multiple things that meet that description - and they should not be required to know that before being able to find the article they want. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy) per Tavix's findings. That works. Steel1943 (talk) 00:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy), noting that this was the disambiguator used for that article from 2006–2008. -- Tavix (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nah, per the article a scarecrow is a type of strawman. It's better to target the broader article. -- Tavix (talk) 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Retarget to Straw man (disambiguation)? Or to Straw man (dummy)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- Redirect to Straw man (disambiguation) I am concerned about the accuracy of a redirect to Straw man (dummy). Our article on the logical fallacy of the same name states "The term's origins are a matter of debate, though the usage of the term in rhetoric suggests a human figure made of straw that is easy to knock down or destroy—such as a military training dummy, scarecrow, or effigy."
- Straw man, even discounting the logical fallacy is used vaguely to refer to many literal topics. (You could even argue that the most literal interpretation of "straw man" is a man made of straws)
- Whatever the reader is looking for by this ambiguous disambiguator, they'll find it in the DAB page. Ca talk to me! 16:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Fire and Ash
[edit]- Fire and Ash → Avatar: Fire and Ash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A user created and redirected to the upcoming Avatar franchise film, whose title was revealed in the past week [30]. This, for me, shouldn't be redirected this way because of WP:RECENTISM. Would suggest to convert it back to the DAB page without disambiguator, and wait for a couple years from film's release before having this as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC again. ScarletViolet tc 11:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, because the film is the only article we have with this name. The other items on Fire and Ash (disambiguation) are WP:DABMENTION entries. Avatar: Fire and Ash should get a hatnote, though. - Eureka Lott 15:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hatnote was improperly removed by the nominator. I have reverted the removal. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep as creator The disambiguation page, which was created after the redirect, contains three (previously, two) MOS:DABMENTION entries. In other words, the three other uses of "Fire and Ash" are topics deemed not notable for standalone articles. Currently, Avatar: Fire and Ash is the only article whose title includes the phrase "Fire and Ash", so there is no other subject of comparable notability to be disambiguated with, and the film can be safely deemed the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In any case, it would be unreliastic to claim that an obscure YA novel, comic book, and graphic novel "could" be as notable as an Avatar film — the chances are near zero. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Oh, I just found out that Fire and Ash (disambiguation) has also a similarly-titled dab page: Fire and Ashes (disambiguation). Maybe having two dab pages merged into one could be better, with more "Fire and Ashes" entries than "Fire and Ash". How does that sound? ScarletViolet tc 09:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I agree with merging the two dab pages into one. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:OURL
[edit]Module:Road data/routelist
[edit]FuBl 2
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Crab angle
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Fan Reaction to Relena Peacecraft
[edit]
Laws of work
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⧧
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#⧧
Ajacent angels
[edit]Anggulo
[edit]V̂
[edit]- V̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- T̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No description of the character or its usage at the target; delete to encourage article creation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Ǝ́
[edit]Ə is a different letter from Ǝ, but neither article mentions this diacriticised character. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Uppen
[edit]͓
[edit]꜠
[edit]˳
[edit]Japan 2012 (Association football event 1)
[edit]Ḙ
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AN/VPS-2
[edit]The redirect "AN/VPS-2", created in 2006, points to an article called "M163 VADS". The VADS article only mentions the VPS-2 in passing, with no citations for the comment and no further description. I recommend that this redirect be deleted as it is particularly not helpful. — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 21:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
bros
[edit]- Bros 2 → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 2 → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros 3 → Super Mario Bros. 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 3 → Super Mario Bros. 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros 4 → Super Mario World (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 4 → Super Mario World (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
missing the "mario" disambiguator leaves this with only a common word... that has a pretty strong association with mario anyway. still, it could realistically refer to any series with "bros." in its title and 4 or more entries, or a number of brothers. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- on that note, see bros u, bros wonder, bros wii, and their more punctuated counterparts. not nominating them here because i don't know what number "wii" is supposed to be, and also because the rest of the names might narrow the meanings down to the mario games cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you demonstrate actual ambiguity with other series? -- Tavix (talk) 21:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head...
- super smash bros. is a cheap, easy pick
- ...two brothers, apparently. this is as far as my acknowledgement goes, and i don't want to find out if this game's 1.5 fans refer to it as "2 bros" or whatever
- new super mario bros., if you want to be a pedantic ass like me
- loyal bros and loyal bros 2?
- was gonna say snow bros. and snow bros. 2, but... nah
- doing an intitle search or something could net more results, but smash and nsmb alone could warrant the ambiguity with "numbered titles that involve some variant of the word 'brother'" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide evidence that any of the other titles you list has been called "Bros 2"? What I am seeing is a list of partial title matches. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- smash, especially when it comes to 4 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide evidence that any of the other titles you list has been called "Bros 2"? What I am seeing is a list of partial title matches. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head...
- Are the games ever referred to by these titles? If not, I would support deleting all of them as implausible search terms, including the three listed in the comment. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Are the games ever referred to by these titles?
The evidence says yes. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- ...yeah, the string "bros. [number]" will be pretty often found in the titles for games in the "super mario bros." series. it'd be like having "kart [number]" as redirects for the mario kart games
- arguing that they're referred to as that in conversations already about mario wouldn't work either, as people would obviously try to avoid repetition of a word in a context where that word is already repeated ad nauseam, and having redirects like that in a wiki not primarily about that franchise would be granting primary topic-hood for an entire word cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and of course my hyperbolic comment was partially right, as it turns out that kart 4, kart 7, and kart 8 are redirects to the mario kart games. what a wacky coincidence, i don't know why 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are missing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In terms of actual (rather than theoretical) ambiguity, it's a mixed bag. Google does not differentiate between the dotted and dotless forms so the same thing should happen to each pair.
- Keep Bros 2/Bros. 2. This is in practice ambiguous only with Burgle Bros 2: The Casino Capers, something which we appear to have no content about (even Burgle Bros is red).
- Keep Bros 3/Bros. 3. The current target is overwhelmingly primary to the extent I have to explicitly exclude Super Mario from the search term before I see anything else.
- Disambig Bros 4/Bros. 4. There is nothing even approaching a primary topic here with Mario and Super Smash appearing with at least equal frequency to various other things, some of which are definitely not encyclopaedic and others that might or might not be (I haven't investigated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- on third thought, wouldn't proving that the games are shortened to "bros" and not... you know... "mario" be a little more important? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 02:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
CYHX
[edit]True democracy
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2012 OLYMPIC RESULTS
[edit]US Olympic TEAM TRIALS
[edit]Live Photo
[edit]- Live Photo → Crispin Gurholt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Live Photo (iOS) meaning mentioned in the hatnote seems to be the prevalent one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Seems to be? Do you have something to substantiate that? Perhaps in Olso or Berlin it's the other way around? No justifiable reason to delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say this should point somewhere else, it might as well be disambiguated. The current meaning will not be deleted, it will stay with the addition of another one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate At the very least, there's no primary topic here. The artist is almost certainly not primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and we're back to proving what is primary and not, without supposition. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget my searches indicate that the iOS feature is by far and away the primary topic - only two of the hits on the first five pages of search results were not about that topic, the other two were about equivalents on Android. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Thryduulf. C F A 💬 14:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There's not enough there there at the article about the discontinued iPhone 6s to declare it a primary topic. The article just mentions "Live Photos" twice (in quotes, as if it's a neologism). This could just as easily mean Windows Live Photos, a topic we once had an article about, in 2011, or Windows Live Photo Gallery, which still has an article. – wbm1058 (talk) 00:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- We should discuss the Live Photo (iOS) redirect as well. Since when is iPhone 6s the primary topic for that redirect? iOS 10 has more discussion about that topic. But it never actually defines what the heck a "Live Photo" (there I go again, putting the term in quotes) actually is. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Drafted a dab with no primary at the redirect page. I don't have an issue with Live Photo (iOS) redirecting iPhone 6s. iOS 10 does have multiple mentions of Live Photo, but they are about improvements and interactions with other apps. iPhone 6s does say what a Live Photo is:
The camera app's .. "Live Photos" captures a short video alongside each photo taken.
Jay 💬 11:10, 23 August 2024 (UTC) - OK then. I tweaked your draft. Live Photo (iOS) marked as an {{R with possibilities}}. Such an article would explain that the feature was introduced with the iPhone 6s and enhanced in iOS 10. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Overruled
[edit]- Overruled → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Overrule → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is the US legal term the primary topic here? We do also have Overruled! (a TV show) and Overruled (play). Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as there are many potential targets --Lenticel (talk) 01:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per nom. I have also bundled Overrule into this. mwwv converse∫edits 21:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't add the tag to that redirect or notify the creator, but I've done so now. Thryduulf (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I was going to close this as disambiguate Overruled and redirect Overrule to it, but there doesn't seem to actually be anything else "Overrule" could refer to. I think "Overrule" should be kept as is. C F A 💬 17:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as is per CFA. If there are other meanings worth mentioning, add them to a hatnote at the target article. BD2412 T 03:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify: There is no primary topic, due to the two common meanings in law: a court's opinion which overturns precedent, or a judge's interjection to squelch a lawyer's objection. Plus the TV show and play identified by Thryduulf, for a total of at least four dab entries. Jruderman (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Samuli Miettinen
[edit]- Samuli Miettinen → Children of Bodom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete redirect. There is an article for Samuli Miettinen (footballer) who is a different person than the redirect. Searching for Samuli Miettinen from wiki should point the person who has an own article rather than someone who has not. Syvä-äksy (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Looking on google there is no primary topic for people with this name with hits for the footballer, an architect (no article on enwp but the subject of fi:Samuli Miettinen) and an academic (no Wikipedia article in any language I can find) getting about equal numbers of hits on the first three pages. There were two hits for a photographer but none for the bassist. I haven't done enough research to know whether the architect or academic are notable but if they are a primary disambig may be best, if they aren't then moving the footballer to primary and adding a hatnote to the bassist is probably better (the latter does not appear to be notable, a one-line two-sentence sub-stub about him was correctly speedied as A7 a few years ago.) Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Move the redirect to Samuli Miettinen (bassist) and add {{R from predictable disambiguation}} to that redirect. Then move Samuli Miettinen (footballer) to Samuli Miettinen and add a hatnote to the footballer article. 2001:999:701:1F8:1C71:F209:179D:36B1 (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Objection (law)
[edit]- Objection (law) → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not interchangeable titles. Would suggest deleting so that we can have another shot of rewriting for a broader world audience, and this title would appear red so users don't think we cover a topic that is not well covered around the world. Awesome Aasim 15:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For the benefit of anyone else thinking this feels familiar, Objection! was retargetted to the dab page at Objection following Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 10#Objection!. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to the Objection dab page, where the US law use is mentioned and any future articles about laws in other countries should be linked. If not, delete per WP:REDLINK. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Thryduulf. Jay 💬 13:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Rat feces
[edit]Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, add mention at target. pages of sources. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete until/unless content is in fact added, otherwise this is just confusing for any searchers. 17:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Libitum
[edit]Heidosmat
[edit]South Korea 1988 (Olympics host)
[edit]Stetson Bennett's final college football game
[edit]Anti universe
[edit]- Anti universe → Antimatter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Antiverse redirects to multiverse. Anti universe sometimes also refers to an antigravity universe, not just antimatter universe. Web-julio (talk) 02:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- If there is multiple places where this redirect could go, the best option would probably be to turn it into a disambiguation. MrMeAndMrMeTalk 06:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anti universe redirects to Antimatter while Antiverse redirects to multiverse. Redirecting to a disambiguation page as suggested is a solution. 5Q5|✉ 11:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- How much content is there on this Wikipedia describing this topic that we could refer to from that disambiguation page? There is also the option of a Wiktionary redirect to wikt:antiuniverse (which could probably be expanded). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Anti-universalist redirects to Universalism. Steel1943 (talk) 03:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate between the potential available meanings. BD2412 T 04:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
List of countries by Military Strength Index
[edit]- List of countries by Military Strength Index → Military#Capability development (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a {{R from merge}}, but no such list exists at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was deleted in 2020 as fallout from Talk:Military/Archive 1#About Updating the military power comparison list Capability development section * Pppery * it has begun... 21:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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A.e.t.
[edit]CountryName Year redirects to 2026 FIFA World Cup
[edit]CAF Cepia
[edit]Ragg tuning fork
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 30#Ragg tuning fork
Quaternary extinction event
[edit]Infantile
[edit]Definitely ambiguous with Infantilism. Retarget there or add the disambiguation page to the (long) hatnote already present? 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- {{wi}} -> wikt:infantile. Looking to backlinks, relation to medicaal term infantilism would be confusing, because people suffering from (medical) infantilism are not called "infantile". IMO the current Wiktionary entry is most useful for those who do not know the word. - Altenmann >talk 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe {{Wiktionary hatnote}} instead? 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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@CycloneYoris: I see two !votes to retarget as a useful search term and one stricken delete in response to the detail in the second retarget recommendation. The only unconvinced I see is whether this is specifically a British English expression. Thryduulf (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- @Thryduulf, I don't think this reply ended up in the right section. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, it was intended for the #Great-chlldren discussion below. I've copied it there and struck it above. Thanks. Thryduulf (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf, I don't think this reply ended up in the right section. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Great-children
[edit]Enjoyment
[edit]OoX
[edit]- OoX → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misleading redirect if the intent is to refer to a game in the The Legend of Zelda series with "X" referring to a letter wild card (for this target, the respective acronyms would be "OoA" and "OoS"): This redirect could also refer to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is "OoT". Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- results gave me... birbs and madness combat. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly with a hatnote. My results are a roughly equal mix of Zelda (with the term used to refer to the two titles collectively), World of Warcraft ("OOX refers to a series of mechanical chickens created by Oglethorpe Obnoticus" which might as well be written in Greek for all it means to me) and random non-notable stuff. List of airports in Ukraine#Military bases tells me OOX is the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base but that isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find any mention of the WoW meaning on Wikipedia (but someone who understands the game should check that) but the collective term for the Zelda games should be. A hatnote to the air base (and WoW if mentioned) would seem to be useful but I'm not going to lose any sleep if others disagree with that. Thryduulf (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- So ... an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target should ... remain with a hatnote placed at the current target? Seems nonsensical. What would make more sense would be to create a disambiguation page and deregulate the current target to a "See also" section. (I'm still in the "delete" camp, but "disambiguate" makes more sense than "keep and hatnote" here since the "keep" part just doesn't make sense.) And I'm just itching to cite WP:PANDORA and claim this opens the door for other wildcard redirects ... maybe XBC (I know there's already an article there) for ABC, NBC, etc? Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Extremely ambiguous with no primary topic. Let the readers type up a more specific search term or let the search function do its job. Ca talk to me! 04:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- @Steel1943:
an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target
the redirect refers collectively to both of the games the target article is about. That's very much not "no connection to either subject". When something is ambiguous between one notable and multiple non-notable things, or where only one of the things is mentioned on Wikipedia, then redirecting to the only place we have relevant content is normal and more helpful to readers than deletion. Here the term refers to exactly three notable things, one of which is very clearly not the primary topic (the airbase) and two things which could be primary (Zelda and WoW). However we only have content about one of the latter two (Zelda) so we should redirect there. I don't object to a dab page, but Zelda would be a full entry not a see also. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first
twofive pokémon mystery dungeon games), this redirect could refer to 3 games in a single franchise, with a disambiguator that isn't even popularly used to refer to any of them in the first place. this redirect would require leaps of logic and frivolous details bordering on gamefaqs-style fancruft to keep or dabify... for the most part, anyway. i won't argue for or against the air base cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- a more thorough look into the results gave me... just as little association with tloz as before. one result among a myriad of mechanical birds and... instagram usernames probably proves that usage of this wild card is too niche for wikipedia at best cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first
Nominator vote update: super weak retarget to Melitopol Air Base. I verified "OOX" was the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base, and added the code to the article, as well as created the respective redirect OOX pointing towards Melitopol Air Base. However, I still prefer deletion since IATA codes are in all caps always. (Other than that, I believe I have already made my other relevant points in this discussion and am refraining from further participating in order to avoid performing a WP:BLUDGEON.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- Never mind on all that: Seems the connection between "OOX" and Melitopol Air Base is potential WP:OR per an edit that reverted something I did. Forget that then. (Still "delete" on this redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Home computer game
[edit]- Home computer game → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Home computer games → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if these redirects should be retained at their current target or be retargeted to Video game. Per the result of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Computer game, Computer game was retargeted away from PC game and to Video game. Considering the current states of the articles Home computer and Personal computer ("PC" in the current target), it does not seem as though the usage of the phrase "home computer" exclusively refers to "personal computer". Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the target works with the significant home computer game history on the PC game article and is not comparable to the computer game redirect result. A disambiguation hatnote was added to the video game article by me, maybe add something similar to PC game? IgelRM (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Who's gonna type this over "computer game"? Unnecessary and pointless over-redirection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per IgelRM. The previous RfD outcome for Computer game was proper. The hatnote mentioned by IgelRM is proper, the proposed reverse hatnote is not necessary. Jay 💬 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Zxcvbnm. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Wpest
[edit]Dr. Trayaurus
[edit]Immigration to Iraqi Kurdistan
[edit]Australia 2032
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Netriding
[edit]SCJD
[edit]2026 Peach Bowl
[edit]2027–28 NCAA Division I men's basketball season
[edit]2027 College Football Playoff National Championship
[edit]2027 NCAA Division I men's ice hockey tournament
[edit]LHS 2065
[edit]LHS 2065 is not a brown dwarf. This paper states: Given the typical age of a disk Magazzu` star (a few gigayears), LHS 2065 would be a very low mass star rather than a massive brown dwarf.
I suggest retargrting to List of stars in Hydra as a better result. If this star is not in the list, an entry can be created. Actually, we can create an article about this star.}} 21 Andromedae (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- So turn it into an article, that doesn't require an RfD. It does appear notable. SevenSpheres (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Spouse of Deputy Chief Minister of Maharashtra
[edit]First Lady of Maharashtra
[edit]Spouse of Chief Minister of Maharashtra
[edit]Multiplicity of a restricted root
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Multiplicities
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WrestleManias
[edit]Malagor
[edit]Mamao
[edit]Dragon's Keep
[edit]- Dragon's Keep → Princess Fiona (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague? not even named in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. This exists due to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragon's Keep which closed as merge (although I'm not certain if any merge actually happened). There are multiple mentions of things with this exact name, including Full Tilt! Pinball#Dragon's Keep, Janet Lee Carey#Dragon's Keep, Medwyn Goodall#Discography and List of Sierra Entertainment video games#Games. Additionally Dragon Keep would make a good see also. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
שרעק
[edit]Extremal
[edit]All-Star Batman and Robin
[edit]- All-Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All star batman and robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All-Star Batman & Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
all-star batman and robin is a different goddamn comic from all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder, but its only meaningful goddamn mention is in the goddamn list of batman comics, and the goddamn results seem to give goddamn priority to all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder. should they be goddamn retargeted to the goddamn list of batman comics, or are they goddamn fine as is? cogsan (goddamn talk page) (goddamn contribs) 13:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- on that goddamn note, should i bring up all star batman and all-star batman (the only goddamn difference is a goddamn hyphen), as they have different goddamn targets, or does the goddamn exclusion of robin narrow them out of this goddamn topic? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there's no goddamn way that the current goddamn arrangement with those two redirects (ASB and A-SB) is the correct goddamn outcome. Since this conversation seems to be lurching toward to a goddamn DAB, I think that the next goddamn question is whether the goddamn DAB is titled something like "All Star Batman" and includes all of these goddamn titles (ASB, ASBAR, ASBARTBW) or whether it's just ASBAR and ASBARTBW. The former "broader" DAB actually seems like my preferred goddamn outcome. —mako๛ 11:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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- bats like their goddamn questions. they like them a lot. cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Sorry that I don't get the references here, and I'm thinking many won't. Heck, I don't even understand the nomination statement. What's going on with these redirects? Steel1943 (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- asbar and asbartbw (what a nice acronym) are different comics, though only the latter has an article of its own. the joke is mostly that the target really loves plastering the word "goddamn" everywhere, to the point where "the goddamn batman" is an actual redirect to it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate - Since it was too confusing, we should make into a disambiguation page. Ahri Boy (talk) 03:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Question for Cogsan perhaps. This is a very confusing nomination (even without all the goddamns)! Are the very similarly named comics without articles at the moment not notable or do they just not have articles yet? If they are never going to have articles, the proposal sounds reasonable since it seems like this redirect should point somewhere and that seems like the obvious place that currently exists! Otherwise, I like the idea of redirecting to a DAB that explains the situation (perhaps with WP:REDLINKS?). —mako๛ 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- i'm not the biggest batman fanatic out there so i can't say for sure, but results for "all-star batman" and "all-star batman and robin" are riddled with all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, since robin is a pretty important character in batman lore and "boy wonder" is a pretty common nickname for him, so it's hard to tell
- in case of doubt, i'll assume the answer is "their only notable trait is sharing their names with that one comic", and change my vote to dabifying between all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, dc rebirth, and the list of batman comics so i don't have to think about it again cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as per the goddamn response by the goddamn nom and the goddamn conversation here. —mako๛ 15:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify, goddammit - What, are you dense? Are you ^%$&*^%# or something? Just where do you think this should go? It's The Goddamn All-Star Batman & Robin (disambiguation). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 07:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- that still falls within "some way". the condolences are inevitable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Can someone draft a disambiguation page? I would usually do so myself but I am not familiar with the topic. C F A 💬 16:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CFA like this? nah, not happening
- ...jokes aside, i haven't actually found any info on a comic series named "all-star batman and robin", and none of the wikis i found had any entries under that name either, so it's probably just asb and asbartbw cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Game deck
[edit]Four Giants
[edit]- Four Giants → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Four Giants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. This concept is mentioned at The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Story, given that this is a story concept in that game, but I'm not sure if that is a sufficient target or not. (I'm leaning "delete".) Steel1943 (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- surprisingly, a name composed of a number followed by a relatively common word can refer to more than one thing, though none of the other possible targets seem to be notable. i'd say delete, if only until someone decides to reminisce about their legs or something cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask given their significant plot role in the game. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the story section of Majora's Mask, as they are mentioned there as major characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Onox
[edit]- Onox → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Onox, the General of Darkness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of the redirect as intended is related to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages as the subject's antagonist. However, there are other unrelated mentions of "Onox" at Katonah (Native American leader) and Taphow that could potentially be a target for this title. (Leaning "delete" and "weak disambiguate".) Steel1943 (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. none of the other onoxes seem noteworthy enough to warrant redirects either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages since Onox was the primary antagonist of Oracle of Seasons making it a plausible search term. The other Onexs mentioned are seemingly nonontible relieves of Native Americans we have articles on so I see making a Dabpage as unnecessary.--65.92.162.79 (talk) 06:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Onox is a plausible search term for Oracle of Seasons per the IP. Also, it would be absurd to consider Veran notable enough to warrant top billing in her dab page but Onox not notable enough to get a redirect. Nickps (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Deadly embrace
[edit]Hello, Newman!
[edit]- Hello, Newman! → Newman (Seinfeld) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Only mentioned once at the target phrase article, claiming to be "Jerry's trademark phrase" for Newman. Is the phrase trademarked? No clue, as there is no reference anywhere in the paragraph where this is stated to be true. Otherwise implausible for people to use this phrase to reach the article about Newman from Seinfeld, before searchers attempt to search for Newman (Seinfeld) (as the character's name is in the phrase in question). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term, and there is no other plausible target. "target phrase"? Did you mean "target article"? Jay 💬 17:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Jerry's trademark phrase" uses the figurative/colloquial meaning of trademark. It is not a legal assertion that Jerry uses the phrase to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. The content should be added back. The archived source link is here. Jay 💬 17:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Jerry's trademark phrase" uses the figurative/colloquial meaning of trademark. It is not a legal assertion that Jerry uses the phrase to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do we do soft redirects to Wikiquote? (Not sure if a target exists, not sure if we do such soft redirects these days ... just asking based on our Wiktionary soft redirects' existence.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I just looked at Wikiquote for a bit: Seems it's more focused on non-serial media, such as films, instead of reoccurring media, such as TV series. What I mean is if a quote is stated more than once in a media (such as multiple episodes in a series), it seems there is no clear target for the quote on Wiktionary. (There may be character pages ... but I haven't figured that out yet.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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BFGv3.14
[edit]that's from the 2005 movie that i keep trying to forget exists, but the name is not mentioned there, or in the current target, or anywhere on wikipedia. retarget there, delete and act like it never existed, or take some other option i failed to consider? i'm leaning towards deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just notified of this discussion at the current and proposed target talk pages. Jay 💬 13:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hellish invasion of Mars
[edit]Monsoon Revolution
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They bite, they fight, they bite and bite and fight
[edit]Texas A&M University-Riverside, RELLIS Campus
[edit]Roland Burris Burial Site
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Template:Random motto/day
[edit]Guitar hero 2 hack
[edit]Do your own research
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Midnight Fantasy
[edit]Cecile Shapiro
[edit]Estro
[edit]I'm not convinced a type face is what people really mean when they type this in. Wiktionary says that estro is a clipping of estrogen, and a cursory google search turns up results mostly about a radiation therapy organization and some about estrogen. Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or disambiguate? There is also a Saeco (cycling team) which apparently went under the name of "Saeco-Estro" in the past. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards just retargeting to estrogen with an "estro redirects here, for other uses see..." at the top of the estrogen page. I'm not sure if that cycling team was ever called just estro. Based5290 :3 (talk) 05:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate seems right here. BD2412 T 01:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: At first blush it seemed that estrogen is the primary target, with the orignal target being plausible. The radiation organisation (which styles itself confusingly as both Estro and ESTRO) does have its own article at European Society for Radiotherapy and Oncology (not sure where the T is ESTRO comes from, I'd have gone for ESRO, but it's their style choice not ours). That organisation accounts for most of my GHits, which is an admittedly loose way to measure primary usage but is striking. The shoe company and various restaurants all seem decidedly not notable so no need to worry about them and per Based5290 the cycling team never seemed to be solely "Estro" or to have used it at the start of their name: it could, however, plausibly get a mention on a disambiguation page. "Estro cycling" produces a lot of results about a "Met Estro MIPS helmet" which does complicate checking up on that usage. Seems to me the best way forward is to convert into a disambiguation page listing the hormone, the ESTRO organisation, and the cycling team as all being at least plausible results. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 14:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- As an adendum to my above comment, thoughts on where ESTRO should go? My gut instinct is to redirect it to the radiation/oncology org with a hatnote there linking back to the disambiguation page. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 14:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, most people who search up ESTRO in all caps either have caps lock on by mistake or want the organization. Based5290 :3 (talk) 03:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Orsini Polypytch
[edit]Photosite
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Draft:Joe Biden
[edit]Not a {{R from move}}, created last month. Questionable utility ... and I thought our previous consensus about similar redirects was to delete them, but looks like WP:RDRAFT has been updated recently? We are now creating redirects from the "Draft:" namespace to the article namespace? Steel1943 (talk) 16:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - We always create and keep redirects from draft space to article space. One reason is so that an editor who has a link to the draft and wants to view or edit it will find the article after the draft is accepted. When a draft is accepted, a redirect to article space is always created, and is exempt from six-month expiration, and so is kept. There are sometimes good-faith requests to delete drafts because there is already an article. They are instead speedily redirected to the article. So, yes, there are redirects from draft space to article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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We always create and keep redirects from draft space to article space.
" No we don't, which is why I nominated this redirect in the first place since pages in the "Draft:" space created as redirects to the article space have traditionally been deleted at WP:RFD. In addition, none of what you said has anything to do with WP:RDRAFT, considering the redirect was created about a month ago, and has always been a redirect. (The redirect is not a {{R from move}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "
- Delete contra Robert McClenon because this was never a draft. Keeping it would lead to confusion that there has been a draft on the subject, which it seems Robert fell for. -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: For what it's worth, apparently, the section which WP:RDRAFT targets was recently updated in a way (I'm assuming WP:BOLDly) which would have validated a "keep" for this redirect. However, this redirect was created prior to that addition, and ... since I wasn't sure what caused that addition and I do not necessarily agree with it, I reverted the change pending explanation from the editor who wrote/added the wording. (It seemed like a change that was major enough to need consensus for such a change.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I argue that a redirect created in draftspace is not a draft, thus would not validate a keep either way. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair: Seems the addition to WP:RDRAFT may have been intended for drafts converted to redirects, not pages in the "Draft:" namespace initially created as redirects to mainspace. (I suppose I should ping Godsy at this point so they can better understand why I reverted their addition.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All of the following types of redirects from draftspace to mainspace should generally be kept imo:
- From drafts moved to mainspace
- From drafts merged with a mainspace article
- From drafts merged with another draft that was later moved or merged to mainspace
- From drafts that duplicate an existing mainspace article
- From the title of a draft that was moved within draftspace before being merged or moved to mainspace
- From titles that were never drafts but at which a draft that duplicates an existing mainspace article might reasonably be created.
- I see this as a completely harmless redirect that is an example of my final bullet. I don't know why someone would expect we don't already have an article on Joe Biden but given this redirect has been created and we definitely don't need a draft at this title, deletion seems both pointy and pointless. Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All of the following types of redirects from draftspace to mainspace should generally be kept imo:
- That's fair: Seems the addition to WP:RDRAFT may have been intended for drafts converted to redirects, not pages in the "Draft:" namespace initially created as redirects to mainspace. (I suppose I should ping Godsy at this point so they can better understand why I reverted their addition.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I argue that a redirect created in draftspace is not a draft, thus would not validate a keep either way. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: For what it's worth, apparently, the section which WP:RDRAFT targets was recently updated in a way (I'm assuming WP:BOLDly) which would have validated a "keep" for this redirect. However, this redirect was created prior to that addition, and ... since I wasn't sure what caused that addition and I do not necessarily agree with it, I reverted the change pending explanation from the editor who wrote/added the wording. (It seemed like a change that was major enough to need consensus for such a change.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: not sure what the point in deleting this is. If someone tries to create a draft on Joe Biden, however unlikely, they will be redirected to the existing article. Yes, there doesn't need to be a redirect from every draft to the corresponding mainspace article, but there's no reason to delete this one now that is has been created. C F A 💬 20:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete The word "Draft" is making confusion if it is only a Draft content. Besides, it would easily being target of vandalism. You could try to fully protect it but it will make greater confusion - Draft is still Draft, nothing would be changed even you redirect it. KyleRGiggs (talk) 03:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- eh? Redirects from draft space to the main namespace are common and don't attract vandalism at a higher rate than any other redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 09:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete What it implies—that there was a draft article about Joe Biden, separate from the accepted one—simply isn't true. --BDD (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the only reason to keep a draft → main redirect though, as explained at length in multiple places now. Thryduulf (talk) 15:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw your list above. I hope we can agree that the last bullet point is the only one that could possibly apply here. Now, do I think it likely that we'd want to try to rewrite the Joe Biden article from scratch? No. But would I dismiss out of hand the possibility of someone drafting an alternative, such that I would want to put an otherwise misleading redirect in place as a stumbling block to such an effort? Also no. I would personally need to see repeated vandalism around "Draft:Joe Biden" before I'd agree to such a step. --BDD (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the only reason to keep a draft → main redirect though, as explained at length in multiple places now. Thryduulf (talk) 15:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning delete and protect. There never was a draft at this title, and there never should be one. BD2412 T 02:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- The very first edit by a newbie. This could have been deleted as a WP:G2 test edit if done immediately after creation in June. The editor may have been trying to see how a redirect works, and went to draftspace with the first name that came to mind! Jay 💬 08:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If that was the case then their test edit accidentally created a page that is useful to the project (per above) so it should not be deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Linden Hill Cemetery
[edit]Scotchka
[edit]Sokovia Accords
[edit]Bīn
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#Bīn
double bind-shaped dilemmas
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#double bind-shaped dilemmas
Doom in other media
[edit]M-Block
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#M-Block
Medical coding
[edit]- Medical coding → Medical classification (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clinical coding → Clinical coder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Medical and clinical coding are terms for the same thing. Of note; I boldly changed the medical coding redirect to match that of clinical coding in 2019. It was manually reverted to the previous, and now current, target in Aug 2023. I'm of the opinion that pointing the process (i.e. coding) to the profession (coder) is what a reader would expect rather than the tools used (classification), but they should at least have the same target. Little pob (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget clinical coding to medical classification per nom. Keep medical coding as is. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the "per nom", what you suggested is the opposite of the nomination. Jay 💬 16:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely agree that they should point to the same place. I tend to think that medical classification is basically a synonym, and thus a better target. That article is a bit of a mess though, it seems to be discussing several different things. CapitalSasha ~ talk 23:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
- The classifying of medical terms through the system of coding - seemingly the approach of the respondents so far
- The tools used by the coders - my sole interpretation until now
- I don't think either view point is wrong. If closer sees no consensus, perhaps a temporary DAB page with tracking could be considered? (I think such a process exists but not how to set up, nor the proper terminology to even be able to look for help on doing so (assuming non-sysop editors like myself would even be able to set such a thing up).)
- I agree that classification needs work. In fact the whole topic area needs looking at. It had been a long term project of mine, and possibly might still get round to it, but I'm much more of a wikignome than a wikifairy. Little pob (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
- When I created the redirect from Clinical coding to Clinical coder I wasn't aware of the Medical coding redirect. That's because most countries have moved their terminology to the broader term and my own country never used the term. (I started as a medical statistics clerk and after a while the position was renamed as a clinical coder.) I agree that the two terms are synonymous and should redirect to the same place. Clinical/Medical coding is what a clinical coder does, while medical classification is a broader topic which includes the clinical classifications used and the tools utilised to implement the classifications in the field as well as the end uses of the data produced. My personal preference would be to see Medical classification rewritten and moved to Clinical classification. The justification for this is that the classifications covered in the article are broader than the "medical" domain and by using the term "clinical" we can encompass nursing, vetinary, severity, pharmacological, and allied health classifications. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that these should both be directed to the same destination. I note above there are plans to do further work on articles about clinical coding. In the meantime I think medical classification is the best currently available destination. Mgp28 (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Cock destroyers
[edit]Nazi resistance
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#Nazi resistance
WP:SD
[edit]WP:IRS
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#WP:IRS
Pig cop
[edit]similarly to doom not actually having invented demons or shotguns, duke nukem 3d didn't invent the concept of comparing american police to raw bacon. they're also a recurring enemy in the series, so it would probably be better off retargeted to the series' article anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- wait, found the primary topic, it's in list of police-related slang terms, under p, so i'll vote for retargeting there. shoutouts to the unsourced mention of duki nuki there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Redirecting to PRST makes no sense here as the slang term is just "pig". While pig cops are a common enemy in Duke Nukem, they're just one of a multitude of enemies designed based off of the slang (another example being literal pig cops in Pizza Tower) and so the term is too ambiguous to justify a redirect nowadays. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 23:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- i thought more as in "that'd be a disambiguator without the parentheses", and it seems at least commonly used enough to warrant not banishing the redirect to brazil, but fair enough
- also the pizza tower enemies are called hamkuffs, can't believe you would overlook such an important plot point smh smh smh my head cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- To someone who has never played Pizza Tower they would call them as they sees them, and they sees porcine law enforcement officers. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of police-related slang terms per cogsan. मल्ल (talk) 21:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Pig" and "cop" are slang terms for a police officer. "Pig cop" is not. "Pig cop" is a kind of enemy in Duke Nukem 3D. Google shows that as the primary topic, with secondary usage to refer to various pigs in cop outfits; I'm sure there's some usage as a compound pejorative, but nothing of note. That said, there's still potential ambiguity, so Refine to § Gameplay and hatnote to List of police-related slang terms § Pig (an anchor I've just created). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 03:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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MC flag
[edit]Flag of Montgomery
[edit]Undetharaya
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Mario party switch
[edit]Mario Party (Nintendo 3DS)
[edit]Mario Party 3DS
[edit]Mario Party Wii
[edit]Silly mountain
[edit]Hanshan Deqing can be "Silly Mountain" - "Crazy Mountain" is in the article, but "Silly Mountain" can be used to distinguish from Hanshan (poet) ("Cold Mountain"). The other items in the disambiguation page are different Chinese characters and I don't think any can be "Silly". There is also Silly Mountain (Arizona) - not sure if there should be a separate disambiguation page or (if there are only two uses) a redirect to one or the other. Peter James (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, disambiguate these two meanings because neither seems to be primary for such a niche term. --Joy (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Silly Mountain (Arizona), possibly with a hatnote to it being an alternative name for Hanshan Deqing. The fact that "Silly Mountain" didn't even merit inclusion as a possible name at the latter article (which does include "foolish mountain" as well as the above mentioned "Crazy Mountain") seems to indicate to me that the Arizona mountain is what someone would be looking for searching under this, though it's a plausible translation and probably makes sense to hatnote. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Is it likely that the bulk of our readers would associate this term with a single topic as the bulk of sources would do the same?
- Is it an ambiguous name that our readers might encounter in reference to several topics in sources?
- --Joy (talk) 08:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any reliable sources that call Hanshan Dequing "Silly Mountain". Googling for it shows a few dozen self-published sites and college papers, but it's not clear to me it's a common translation in literature at all. Searching for "Silly Mountain" on its own pretty exclusively brings up stuff about the Arizona mountain. Did you find sources indicating otherwise? Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 14:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Retarget and add a hatnote. What matters is whether sources exist and how prevalent they are, not whether they are reliable or not. Less than a minute on google found at least 7 sources that clearly identify this as a name for Hanshan Deqing, so it's clearly something that will be searched for. However, it is also clear that the mountain in Arizona is the primary topic so we should retarget there and add a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
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- I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Silly Mountain (Arizona), a title that is "Silly Mountain ([disambiguator])", and WP:PRECISE. (Didn't know that needed explanation to why it's incredibly relevant; it's de facto an issue since the base title does not exist.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Silly Mountain (Arizona) to Silly Mountain and hatnote to the monk. Retarget Silly mountain to Silly Mountain as an alternate capitalization. Jay 💬 22:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Service with a Smile (film)
[edit]Washington, Maryland
[edit]- Washington, Maryland → Fort Washington, Maryland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This error can plausibly refer to Fort Washington or Washington County, so delete and let the search results take care of it. Queen of Hearts talk 02:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Disambiguate per the fact there are multiple topics.Steel1943 (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)- Do not keep, do not delete per Tavix's comments. I have no opinion about disambiguation vs. retargeting anymore, but it's rather apparent that the current target is probably not helpful and that deletion benefits no one. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There's a general presumption that redirects are useful to at least the creator, and disambiguating is less disruptive than deleting. Jruderman (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the dab entry pointing to Fort Washington, Maryland, please include the name of the county it is within. Jruderman (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Steel and Jruderman. Thryduulf (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleteper WP:PTM unless there's evidence of the Fort or the County being referred to as simply "Washington". -- Tavix (talk) 13:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- 1 minute on Google finds plenty of evidence of the county being referred as "Washington, Maryland" (e.g. [32], [33], [34]), hits for Fort Washington are harder to find [35] is ambiguous, but other results are getting swamped by collactions and hits for Mary L. Washington (a Maryland politician). Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that your search only took one minute(!), or the fact that you thought those fringe database sources would be convincing. The Tweet isn't ambiguous, it's saying that the Governor of Maryland was speaking to reporters in Washington, DC. -- Tavix (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nature of the sources is irrelevant - they demonstrate clearly that "Washington County, Maryland" is sometimes referred to as "Washington, Maryland". Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...and I disagree with that assessment. It's not a referral, it's a database regurgitation. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nature of the sources is irrelevant - they demonstrate clearly that "Washington County, Maryland" is sometimes referred to as "Washington, Maryland". Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that your search only took one minute(!), or the fact that you thought those fringe database sources would be convincing. The Tweet isn't ambiguous, it's saying that the Governor of Maryland was speaking to reporters in Washington, DC. -- Tavix (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- 1 minute on Google finds plenty of evidence of the county being referred as "Washington, Maryland" (e.g. [32], [33], [34]), hits for Fort Washington are harder to find [35] is ambiguous, but other results are getting swamped by collactions and hits for Mary L. Washington (a Maryland politician). Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Washington metropolitan area, which extends into Maryland. I found a use that fits the bill. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- What? That's just confusing and potentially harmful to readers. Washington, D.C. is not a part of Maryland, and no one would refer to it as such. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- You do seem confused. I did not suggest a target to Washington, D.C. but to Washington metropolitan area. Per the article (my emphasis added):
The Washington metropolitan area...includes all of Washington, D.C. and parts of Maryland...
This redirect would be for the "Maryland part of Washington". -- Tavix (talk) 13:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)- No one calls it "the Maryland part of Washington," though. They are two separate entities. It's the equivalent of calling Newark "the New Jersey part of New York." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about the separate entities, I'm talking about the single metropolitan region of Washington which is partially located in Maryland. One prominent example is the Washington Commanders, who play in Maryland. Similarly, the New York Giants and New York Jets play in the New Jersey part of New York. -- Tavix (talk) 21:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- No one calls it "the Maryland part of Washington," though. They are two separate entities. It's the equivalent of calling Newark "the New Jersey part of New York." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- You do seem confused. I did not suggest a target to Washington, D.C. but to Washington metropolitan area. Per the article (my emphasis added):
- What? That's just confusing and potentially harmful to readers. Washington, D.C. is not a part of Maryland, and no one would refer to it as such. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I oppose retargetting to Washington metropolitan area per Presidentman. It isn't a completely implausible entry on a dab page but it would be very surprising to be redirected there. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one refers to Fort Washington (either the CDP or the historic fort) as just "Washington". The county is rarely, but is, referred to by just "Washington" (like many counties in America). Normally only in spoke language but there are cases like [36]:
State Sen. Paul Corderman, R-Washington, sent a letter to the Hagerstown mayor and council
. I guess disambiguate? Between something like: Washington County, Maryland; Washington College (which is in Maryland); maybe History of Washington, D.C. due to the history of Maryland giving up land for Washington, DC; and maybe Washington metropolitan area (but oppose retarget here) (I'd also be fine with Fort Washington, Maryland being on the dab but I think under WP:PARTIAL it technically shouldn't be?). A retarget to Washington County, Maryland would be preferable to no change and deletion. Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC) - Keep Today I see both "Washington, MD" and "Marlboro, MD" listed by the Google Voice app, so "no one refers..." simply isn't correct. There's a redirect for Washington, Maryland - that was really useful. There is no redirect for Marlboro, Maryland - that was a complete PITA. Keep the redirect, add another to Marlboro, Maryland. Retargeting to loosely defined urban space is utterly useless. The redirect takes people who have no idea where these boroughs are to the appropriate WP article. Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yappy2bhere: Can you clarify what you think "Washington, MD" is referring to? You do say "Keep", which would imply it refers to Fort Washington, Maryland. But you also make a reference that it's a borough, but Fort Washington, Maryland is not one. Loosely defined urban space is not an article, so retargeting there is not an option (although I don't understand why it would be an option?). You also don't define what you think Marlboro, Maryland refers to. There are quite a few options, among them: Upper Marlboro, Maryland; Lower Marlboro, Maryland; Marlboro Village, Maryland; Marlboro Meadows, Maryland and what looks to be the encompassing Greater Upper Marlboro, Maryland. -- Tavix (talk) 13:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate: There is not a clear answer as to which page this should point to... which is what disambiguation is for. C F A 💬 23:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Khandal
[edit]Khandal Vansh (Khandal Lineage)
[edit]HIALS
[edit]No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Google tells me this is "High Intensity Approach Lighting System" and I'm surprised it isn't mentioned on the article, so my gut feeling is too add it and keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that source 6 in the article mentions ALSF-1 and -2 as high-intensity systems. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Economic totalitarianism
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Infinifat
[edit]Omnifutuent
[edit]Mangonese
[edit]Sturmian morphism
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 24#Sturmian morphism
SVRF
[edit]Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)
[edit]- Dirtbag (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electro (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Firecracker (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- High Beam (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hooligan (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Manta Ray (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Powerdive → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Smokejumper (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
(My first time to nominate a group, so I'm probably doing it wrong. Feel free to edit/fix the nom as appropriate, or tell me what I need to do.) I propose we delete these 8 redirects, all of which redirect to Transformers: Generation 2. These pages appear to refer to Transformers characters/toys, although they are not mentioned at the target page. So not useful for navigation, says I, and ought to be deleted. None of these names are mentioned at Transformers, either, or I would have suggested retargeting. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 19:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The spirit of WP:Articles for deletion/High Beam (Transformers) was that content from the article history be used for a merge to either the current target or List of Autobots (now redirected to Autobot). So either do a merge, or restore and add the {{merge}} tag. Delete all other entries. Jay 💬 09:21, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
My dick is hard
[edit]Le Clique: Vida Rockstar (X)
[edit]Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
[edit]- Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals → Family of Joe Biden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of his uncle being eaten by cannibals at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Amazingly to me this isn't just vandalism - Joe Biden's Uncle (Probably) Wasn't Eaten by Cannibals - but it isn't mentioned, and as far as I can tell, has never been mentioned at the target article or anywhere else on Wikipedia. It is mentioned at q:Joe Biden#April 2024 but I don't think someone using this search term is looking for the quote but rather information about Biden's uncle (Ambrose J. Finnegan Jr.) and they won't find that at Wikiquote, or indeed more than a sentence at Family of Joe Biden#Maternal. Thryduulf (talk) 23:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- See new comment below. Thryduulf (talk) 16:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf. Thought for sure this was an obvious hoax/attack page, but no, it was a real thing. There is no mention of this on Wikipedia, though. C F A 💬 23:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both the redirect and the mention. WP:ONEWAY. We don't need to cover every single conspiracy theory. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 05:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The idea of Joe Biden's uncle being eaten by cannibals (or not) has received significant enough media coverage to justify a redirect. pbp 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of coverage justifies misleading people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. The amount of coverage might justify adding content somewhere relevant, at which point we can consider the redirect, but unless and until that happens the redirect is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of coverage justifies misleading people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. The amount of coverage might justify adding content somewhere relevant, at which point we can consider the redirect, but unless and until that happens the redirect is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:Patent nonsense. WWGB (talk) 01:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @WWGB although it really does look like nonsense at first glance, it actually isn't. See the links in my and pbp's comments above. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now. I don't think Joe Biden has any uncles. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ambrose Biden was a real person... pbp 12:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it sounds ridiculous, it probably is ridiculous, but it was a thing that Biden actually asserted multiple times. If someone has seen a clip of him saying it and wanted to find out more about it, searching "Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals" is a pretty reasonable way of trying to find out more information about it. Now that it's included in the target article the redirect seems like a good one to me BugGhost🦗👻 12:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has significant media coverage. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but refine to Family of Joe Biden#Maternal. One of the silliest titles for a redirect that is not the result of vandalism (which makes it a good candidate for my list), but the significant amount of media coverage probably justifies Purplebackpack89's short addition. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Clearing the "not just blatant vandalism" bar shouldn't be an argument on its own in favor of keeping a redirect. This is just not a plausible thing someone is searching for an article under. I see this as similar to the JD Vance "couch sex" redirects: that there is some coverage, and that the coverage may even rise to meriting a single-sentence due mention on a page, does not mean we need a bunch of implausible redirects into that single sentence. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 16:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (to #Maternal) now that there is content on it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Dylnuge. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and refine. We now have content about this that has stuck in the article. When we have both a plausible search term and relevant content we need a much better reason to delete a redirect than some people not liking it or disagreeing with the evidence people are searching for it. Thryduulf (talk) 16:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I too don't like the redirect title, but keep per Thryduulf. Jay 💬 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
2025 UK general election
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#2025 UK general election
Wikipedia:2319
[edit]Wiimake
[edit]Neologism not mentioned in the target. The term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can see it (and the alternate "Wii-make") being used in some news coverage, most prominently "The Case for Wiimakes", but not nearly enough that it would demand usage in the target article or anything. Not sure it does any harm, but the use case seems limited as well. I guess I lean toward deletion, but not strongly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- i would ALMOST suggest retargeting to the vaguely klonoa-shaped travesty we were cursed with in 2008 as a half-joke, as that seems to be the primary topic for the entire term (not for a good reason, mind you), but that'd be cheap. as is, no idea if it would be better to retarget it to some list of wii games, add a mention there, or delete, but i'll stick with adding a mention for now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: term is mentioned in reliable sources (Nintendo Life, Wired, eurogamer.net). No reason to delete. Obviously not notable on its own but a redirect is warranted. I would support a mention at Video game remake or elsewhere, but that is not needed for this to be kept. C F A 💬 20:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nintendo Wii and mention the phenomenon somewhere. It's an actual slang term formerly used for porting games to Wii while adding motion controls. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete unless a mention is added. If we don't have it, we don't have it. Don't leave readers scratching their heads trying to figure out why they arrived to any article which does not mention the term. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that Wii Remakes redirects to New Play Control!. Jay 💬 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
JonasDeichmann
[edit]- JonasDeichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JONAS DEICHMANN → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Deichmann, Jonas → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- John Deichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jon Deichman → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jonas Deichman → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jon Deichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jonasdeichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Deletion, 8 unnecessary and recently created redirects. YannickFran (talk) 20:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Deichmann, Jonas, Jonas Deichman, and JonasDeichmann, delete the rest. Keep the first three as {{R from sorting name}} and the others {{R from mispelling}} respectively. The rest are either not related (Jon Deichman, Jon Deichmann, and John Deichmann), implausible typos (Jonasdeichmann), or unneeded capitalization (JONAS DEICHMANN). mwwv converse∫edits 21:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how the spacing in "JonasDeichmann" is not WP:UNNATURAL. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all except Jon Deichmann, Jon Deichman and John Deichmann. C F A 💬 22:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Since I made the redirects, I will provide my reasoning without casting a vote.
- Many high quality Wikipedia pages about people have redirects from many variations of subject's name. I used Bill Gates' redirects as an example. JONAS DEICHMANN is based on BILL GATES. JonasDeichmann on BillGates and so on.
- Bill Gates is not the only one person with various redirects. It is the same in other lengthy, well established and high-quality Wikipedia pages about people. Redirects I created are less misspelled than those of e.g. Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant redirects include: Kobe bryant, Kobe Brian, Kobey Bryant, Kobee Bryant, Koby Bryant, Kobie Bryant, Kobi Bryant, Cobie Bryant, Kode bryant and others.
- Besides, each of the redirects has been checked, reviewed and approved, see screenshot
- My intention with redirects to Jonas Deichmann was to improve that page. I understood that more redirects meant "higher completion", based on what is done in other lengthier pages. Småland, Sweden (talk) 04:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- So... you're saying you pulled a WP:PANDORA? mwwv converse∫edits 12:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let this be a lesson to anyone who believes WP:PANDORA is not a legitimate concern. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't. It's WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:CRYSTAL rolled up into one, often (but not always) with a side helping of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. That one person used correct redirects as the justification to create other correct redirects after the same pattern, plus some incorrect redirects not based on that pattern does not provide any evidence at all that PANDORA is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let this be a lesson to anyone who believes WP:PANDORA is not a legitimate concern. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- So... you're saying you pulled a WP:PANDORA? mwwv converse∫edits 12:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same choices as mwwv, but delete JonasDeichmann as well. We keep legacy camel case titles, but no reason to create new. Jay 💬 07:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all except those two, per Jay. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all with "Jonas" (all capitalisations), delete those with other names (he doesn't seem to go by "Jon" or "John". Thryduulf (talk) 17:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible or WP:UNNATURAL except the two from Jay's comment. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:RFZ
[edit]Wikipedia:PHIL
[edit]Template:Usen
[edit]Template:OURL
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Beta-casein
[edit]Nakso
[edit]Not mentioned at target. The mention at Tarak-juk#History appears to refer to the intended meaning. Apart from that, there is a passing mention at Rai people#Religion, as well as "Naksŏ", a romanisation of Kim Ja-jeom's art name listed in the infobox. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Naksu
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Has a meaning that is used in List of Alchemy of Souls characters. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Casorphin
[edit]Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. Not sure if this is related to Casomorphin in any way. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since it's not mentioned at the target article. In this paper (PDF), it's listed next to casomorphin, implying it's a different thing. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Un assiolo. Jay 💬 14:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Ivorine
[edit]- Ivorine → Casein#Plastics and fiber (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; however, Ivory (soap) uses this as a brand of soap, Netsuke#Unusual materials as a material made from ivory, and Celluloid#Uses as a form of celluloid (French ivory). Note that the word can also be used as the adjective relating to ivory, see wikt:ivorine. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per nom. Multiple uses with no clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Niga
[edit]@1234qwer1234qwer4, Robert McClenon, Jéské Couriano, Explicit, 46.103.182.112, and 2a02:587:7914:6200:11f3:da90:34a0:d3ac— Draft:Niga was just submitted for review. Anti-draftifier III (talk) 12:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Weather of 1980
[edit]Deer cannon
[edit]- Deer cannon → Bird scarer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
results are torn between the propane cannons used to give birds a dang ol spook, and actual deer cannon bones. i haven't found any info on where the name for the cannons came from, but it seems used, albeit not enough to warrant a redirect. any ideas? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Banishing crows from a field
[edit]- Banishing crows from a field → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
originally an essay written in 1rd person and signed by someone who didn't even write it (no, that's not important here, i just felt like pointing it out), currently not that. as detailed in the target, scarecrows are meant to keep birds away from succulents, as opposed to actively driving them out like other bird scarers. while i think retargeting it there would be the best option, there might be something i'm missing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Un assiolo. We prevent crows from going onto a field. Crows do not live in the field for them to be banished, either as punishment, or otherwise! Jay 💬 14:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Strawman (literal)
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Fire and Ash
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Best Year Ever
[edit]- Best Year Ever → Best Week Ever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The page title could also refer to the SpongeBob 20th anniversary celebration known as "Best Year Ever". Retarget to SpongeBob SquarePants#Twentieth anniversary or disambiguate? 1033Forest (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. Unsurprisingly this is a very common title for references, but in addition to the current target and the SpongeBob Squarepants targets I've found I Love...#Best Year Ever… (More4), Amelia's Best Year Ever (Amelia's Notebooks#Elementary school), and a Doctor Who episode (Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor Adventures#Series 4 (2022)), none of which seem primary. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more as this is not an easy thing to search for (which also means search results will be extremely unhelpful so we definitely should not delete this). Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I really see no use in keeping this. Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete We could have a disambiguation cobbled together from a bunch of passing mentions. This is the sort of thing search is typically better at. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to allow search results, and since a disambiguation page of mentions and essentially WP:PTMs would be a freaking mess. Steel1943 (talk) 02:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Search results are good in theory but are actively unhelpful for such a common phrase as this where the likely search targets are swamped by passing mentions and collocations. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per above. – The Grid (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Thryduulf, disambiguation seems more helpful, and at least the SpongeBob episode is more than a passing mention, so disambiguation seems like a good solution (not sure whether "Amelia's Best Year Ever" should be included there, but the other three meanings are not WP:PTMs contrary to Steel1943). 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Drafted a dab at the redirect, and made "Amelia's Best Year Ever" an entry, and not a See also. Jay 💬 15:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Rat feces
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 23#Rat feces
Contol
[edit]Joseph Sam Williams
[edit]Template:Des
[edit]Overruled
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Highway 407
[edit]Samuli Miettinen
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Gender-neutral games and toys
[edit]E610
[edit]Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
[edit]Template:Empty-warn
[edit]- Template:Empty-warn → Template:Db-nocontext-notice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Confusing. Much like {{db-empty}}, one would expect it to refer to A3 or C1 but not A1 which explicitly does not apply to empty articles. Nickps (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete I agree its ambiguous due and I'd argue C1 is more likely as a category would be more likely to be considered to be empty because although its now possible to create an empty page (it never used to be) I wouldn't expect many articles to be created that are completely empty and blanking is often done when G7 ends up being the criteria used to delete. I'd also note that Template:Empty redirects to Template:Db-empty so I'd consider deleting them both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reading your comment again, I hadn't thought of the G7 point. I guess there is an argument to be made for deletion but considering that {{db-empty}} is probably associated with A3 and C1, I'd be very hesitant to delete. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Template shortcuts are quite often ambiguous. Created in 2006, then redirected here in 2012. It is included as a link in {{User:Fuhghettaboutit/Toolbox}} (which is transcluded to many user pages). No need to take any action. Shortcuts have to be learned before use anyhow, and this only affects our editors (not our readers). Prefer a retarget over deletion (if it comes to that). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not convenced by this argument. It's alao confusing for editors to have db-empty refer to C1 and A3 but db-empty-notice refer to A1. Every other notice template is named after the CSD template it is used with but this one alone breaks the pattern. That still makes shortcuts more difficult to learn for our editors for no benefit since most of them would know that db-a1-notice is the notice to use along with db-a1. Nickps (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've since made {{subst:db-empty-notice}} behave identically to {{db-empty}}, that is, it returns {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} if a category is passed to it and {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} in all other cases. So, assuming the db-empty-notice RfD closes as "disambiguate" between these two, we should retarget there Nickps (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Neo-newtonian
[edit]Bionic Bunny, et al.
[edit]- Bionic Bunny → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bionic Bunny – keep (as an article—later redirected)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Bunny – redirect to Bionic Bunny
- Dark Bunny → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mary Moo-Cow → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Bionic Bunny Show → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wilbur Rabbit → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Left notice about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting#Arthur-related redirects for discussion. Couldn't do it the usual way, because that assumes an AFD. If someone else can figure out how to do this better, please do. - dcljr (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
The target of all of these related redirects is a section that no longer exists in the target article. (These are all related to fictional characters or works within the fiction of the show itself — hence doubly fictional, which presumably is why the content didn't survive.) There doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the main Arthur (TV series) article, either. Nor in Marc Brown (author), our article for the author of the Arthur books. Propose deleting these unless some other appropriate target can be found. - dcljr (talk) 04:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Bionic Bunny and Dark Bunny to List of fictional rabbits and hares#Animation where they are mentioned. Delete the others as there doesn't appear to be a good target. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- The subject of The Bionic Bunny Show is Bionic Bunny, so maybe also redirect that one to the same target? - dcljr (talk) 00:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Chilodontidae-stub
[edit]Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans
[edit]- Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Supporter demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- White support for Donald Trump → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Supporter demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- White support of donald trump → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#White nationalists and white supremacists (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Couple of concerns with these redirects' wordings:
- It's odd that a redirect with this phrasing targets 1 of 4 presidential campaign pages related to Donald Trump running for president. How can there be any guarantee readers searching this phrase are looking for this target?
- Specific to the current target, the first redirect contains the phrase "President Donald Trump"; Donald Trump was not a President until after the 2016 campaign.
Steel1943 (talk) 20:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Racial views of Donald Trump would be a better target? Nightscream (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not particularly. The redirects allude to groups of people who support for Donald Trump, not Donald Trump's views that could potentially be racist. Steel1943 (talk) 05:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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MAGA tourist
[edit]- MAGA tourist → January 6 United States Capitol attack#Participants and response (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between this specific phrase and the target unclear. Though MAGA is a rather known phrase, the use of the phrasing of the redirect on third party engines doesn't return results for "MAGA", but rather returns results for tourism in cities named "Maga". Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This term is used to help categorize people involved in the events of January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol. For example, see Lucas, Ryan. “Where the Jan. 6 insurrection investigation stands, one year later”, NPR (6 Jan 2022): “In the past year, the FBI and the public have learned a lot about who the rioters were and what motivated them, and they fall into three general categories. The first are the so-called MAGA tourists. These are Trump supporters who entered the Capitol but didn't engage in violence or destroy property.” If there are other significant uses of this term, then I’d recommend a disambiguation page. Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The target section "Participants and response" does not exist. It was renamed last year by Feoffer to "Participants, groups, and demographics", and later to "Participants, groups, and criminal charges". Jay 💬 17:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I support directing it to “Participants, groups, and criminal charges” instead of “Participants and response”. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Toad Town
[edit]Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: appears to be used frequently and is pointed to the appropriate target. C F A 💬 20:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirecting terms to articles where the term is not mentioned is confusing to readers. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- to my knowledge, it only really ever pops up with this exact name in the rpgs (and the movie), and seems more closely associated with paper mario than mario & luigi. not sure if that warrants keeping, but i'll go with an overwhelmingly strong eh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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Biden crisis
[edit]- Biden crisis → Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like there are a lot of sorts of things one might expect to see when they search this term (for example, Mexico–United_States_border_crisis#Biden_administration or 2023 United States banking crisis, or any other "crisis" during the administration might be sought), and I don't suspect that any particular one is the WP:PTOPIC. I think that this should either be disambiguated or deleted, as I don't think the current redirect can be justified absent a primary topic. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: the current target smacks of WP:RECENTISM and there is no clear alternative. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Looking at Presidency of Joe Biden there are many things that have been called a crisis during his term in office that could be referred to (especially by political opponents) as "Biden crisis" but this is by far the primary topic. Is that recentism? It's too soon to know! What we do know is that people using this search term now are overwhelmingly going to be looking for the current target. If that changes in the future we can reevaluate the redirect at that point. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete too many storms in a teacup were called the Biden crisis. There's no clear target. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - reliable sources called it "Biden crisis", eg: NPR: "'We can't catch a break.' How the Biden crisis looks from the inside", Politico: "Pelosi privately fields battleground Dem calls as she works to address Biden crisis", Axios: "Trump rally shooting upends Democrats' Biden crisis", UK Channel 4: Biden crisis: supporters question President’s future as he pledges to continue - all in headlines. If you broaden the search to "Biden's crisis" even more results for the same topic appear. It's also worth noting that Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election was originally created with the name "Biden crisis" before the withdrawal was actually confirmed by Biden. BugGhost🦗👻 16:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I was about to nominate this myself a few days ago, but then changed my mind since apparently, the redirect may be an alternative name for the target per sources. Steel1943 (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not adequately sourced enough, the term "It's Joever" was actually used far more to refer to Biden's diminishing capacity to win the election in the months before his withdraw than "Biden crisis." Biden crisis can refer to a bunch of things. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HadesTTW - Regarding
Not adequately sourced enough
- I have posted several sources above that use the term - could you expand on why these aren't adequate? They're pretty well respected news sources and they use the term in their headlines to describe this event BugGhost🦗👻 19:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HadesTTW - Regarding
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- Delete, as per CycloneYoris, the term isn't adequately sourced. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- CycloneYoris has not commented on this, they just relisted it BugGhost🦗👻 19:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand the "not adequately sourced" arguments, given that Bugghost presented more than adequate evidence that the term is used by reliable sources? Thryduulf (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete This is just sealioning a pro-trump phrase in, so that it can be linked as 'accepted'. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? Redirects exist to take people from search terms they are likely to use to the content they are looking for when using that search term. We do this regardless of why they might be using the term. Deleting a redirect simply because it is used by one politician would be a massive failure of WP:NPOV. Thryduulf (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- There was no 'Biden crisis'. To create one could be read as (and will be used as) "Wikipedia describes and confirms Biden's Crisis". Which is definitely not something we should support. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to double check - you're accusing me of sealioning (with a total of 3 comments) - and saying my motivation for doing this is because you think I'm pro-Trump and want to post "Wikipedia describes and confirms Biden's Crisis" on twitter? Genuine question: huh??? BugGhost🦗👻 07:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- There was no 'Biden crisis'. To create one could be read as (and will be used as) "Wikipedia describes and confirms Biden's Crisis". Which is definitely not something we should support. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: used by reliable sources. Reasonable search term. C F A 💬
- Keep — I concur with Bugghost. "Biden crisis" is a headline term that became a general term in reference to the events leading up to Biden's withdrawal, and it was used by NPR. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The difference between the two is that there is a clear primary topic for "Biden Crisis" but there isn't for "Pokemon incident". Thryduulf (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- i believe that's recentism. the next time he gets tangled up in something, it could very well become the next "biden crisis", just as there were "biden crises" before this one, and this discussion could happen again, and again, and again, until he dies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Recentism is about article content. If something else becomes the primary target in the future then we can retarget or disambiguate at that point. We best serve the readers who are looking this up now by taking them to what the primary target is now, not making things harder because we guess that something might happen in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 20:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- i believe that's recentism. the next time he gets tangled up in something, it could very well become the next "biden crisis", just as there were "biden crises" before this one, and this discussion could happen again, and again, and again, until he dies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The difference between the two is that there is a clear primary topic for "Biden Crisis" but there isn't for "Pokemon incident". Thryduulf (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- using the same logic as "pokémon incident", this requires defining "crisis" in a way that somehow narrows it down to this specific event and not any of the other crises and controversies he was involved in. i'll support dabifying if possible, or deleting if not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No clear target. TarnishedPathtalk 13:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There are sources calling the events proceeding Biden's withdrawal a crisis, though many of those use the indefinite article
"a crisis"
([37], [38]) or use another word to specify such as"campaign crisis"
([39], [40]),"post-debate crisis"
([41]), or"health crisis"
([42]). "Biden crisis" alone is a descriptive term with plenty of other possible targets, such as part of Biden's inauguration speech ([43]) and a particularly common framing of immigration and border patrol policies ([44], [45]). And that's just to name a few; see for instance [46]. This redirect came from a page move, and the title was unsuitable for the page. Note also the redirect's history seems insignificant in spite of the tag, as it contains only Special:Diff/1235882886, which was immediately reverted and does not appear to be reflected in another page's history as copied from here (though I may be missing it). Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 22:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Degi dialect
[edit]Ideological neutrality of the state
[edit]Le Cartel
[edit]- Le Cartel → Mother Russia Bleeds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Le Cartel Studio → Mother Russia Bleeds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects should be deleted. The developer's name and a typo are being redirected to its first notable game; the article itself mentions the developer's history but the redirect is barely used outside of articles for its games as well as game list articles. I do not believe it will be used enough to deserve a redirect of its own, like most other independent developers with notable games with their own articles. MimirIsSmart (talk) 06:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: the article itself mentions the developer's history is ample reason to keep the redirect. You could at most argue WP:XY because the studio's other game, Heave Ho, also has an article. A typo is not in sight. IceWelder [✉] 10:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Seven Sages (Zelda series)
[edit]- Seven Sages (Zelda series) → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Sages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. This concept is present in multiple titles within the Zelda series, so it is unclear if this redirect should target any specific article or not. Steel1943 (talk) 07:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl.
[edit]- Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl. → Newhart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Fully written two-sentence long catchphrase of secondary characters no longer mentioned in the article. There are hundreds of ways of reaching the topic of Newhart between Google and Wikipedia searches, but this amount of specificity makes this unlikely and unhelpful, with nothing in the article or its references. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Now cut that out!
[edit]- Now cut that out! → Jack Benny (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article and provides no context to incoming readers, with the only allusion to this phrase being from one reference. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. This was a very famous line for Jack Benny. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is exactly as I described. This is a redirect from a phrase which is not mentioned at the target article. People who search for this phrase will not receive any content related to their search of "cutting that out", as "cut"-ting is never talked about there. "Who said this line" is a service provided entirely by Google and is the reason that WikiQuote exists, allowing us to avoid baking thousands of WP redirects into concrete, based on anything any person has ever said. Indeed, famous people might have famous quotes. But even among the greatest of these, without a reference to substantiate its famousness at the target biography, there's no reason to keep it as a misleading redirect (misleading in the sense that it indicates to readers we have content when we do not). My suggestion is to delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because Google might usually win a "who said this line" contest doesn't mean Wikipedia shouldn't try to help people find the subject they're looking for. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- All material on Wikipedia must be verifiable. There is no content on Wikipedia about this phrase besides a sourceless redirect, and no sources present in the article to back up the assertion of this quote's famousness. There is no evidence that people searching for the phrase "now cut that out" are seeking the article for Jack Benny; it is more plausible that people who search for the phrase "now cut that out" are looking for written material about the phrase "now cut that out". This information is not present at the Jack Benny article, so this redirect disappoints & misleads searchers who expect to find material specific to their Wikipedia search at the target page.
- If these searchers wanted to read about Jack Benny, they wouldn't search "now cut that out", but instead search for the name "Jack Benny". Searching for the name of an individual with a Wikipedia page will give users the page they're searching for with ~99% accuracy. Searching for a quote yet ending up at a page about a person, as opposed to an page dedicated to the quote they are searching for, will work for approximately ~0% of quotes in existence, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of unreferenced quote-person-associations. Wikiquote is more suitable for connecting people with the quotes they said, although searching for "now cut that out" on Google still recommends the Wikipedia page for Jack Benny anyway. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because Google might usually win a "who said this line" contest doesn't mean Wikipedia shouldn't try to help people find the subject they're looking for. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is exactly as I described. This is a redirect from a phrase which is not mentioned at the target article. People who search for this phrase will not receive any content related to their search of "cutting that out", as "cut"-ting is never talked about there. "Who said this line" is a service provided entirely by Google and is the reason that WikiQuote exists, allowing us to avoid baking thousands of WP redirects into concrete, based on anything any person has ever said. Indeed, famous people might have famous quotes. But even among the greatest of these, without a reference to substantiate its famousness at the target biography, there's no reason to keep it as a misleading redirect (misleading in the sense that it indicates to readers we have content when we do not). My suggestion is to delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete as not even unique enough to jack anymore. results mostly gave me paper cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll bet you weren't using an exact phrase search. Google Advanced Search gives me only Jack Benny (with a small smattering of other uses that seem mostly derivative and don't start until the second page of search results, like Meet the Parents, The Jetsons and Scooby Doo). — BarrelProof (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- i was, and that didn't really help either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll bet you weren't using an exact phrase search. Google Advanced Search gives me only Jack Benny (with a small smattering of other uses that seem mostly derivative and don't start until the second page of search results, like Meet the Parents, The Jetsons and Scooby Doo). — BarrelProof (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
I can do this all day
[edit]Chinese coins
[edit]- Chinese coins → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chinese coin → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is there some reason that Chinese coins are assumed to be ancient? To the contrary, I would personally assume that people looking for information about Chinese coins would be looking for information about modern coins. The same for Chinese coin. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Added/bundled Chinese coin into the discussion. (Was checking to see in the singular and plural had different targets, and well ... they do not.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: What a cluster of existing articles did I run into: Between Chinese currency (a disambiguation page), the fact that the aforementioned page has multiple articles listed related to subjects named "Yuan" (including Renminbi, which is alternative called the "Chinese Yuan"), History of Chinese currency, Chinese cash (currency unit), the nominated redirect's current target and ALL of the potentially ambiguous redirects targeting EACH of the respective aforementioned non-redirect pages ... this whole situation is a mess. Obviously, the current target is wrong; my vote here is weak retarget to Chinese currency as a {{R from ambiguous term}}, but oh my gosh, there seems to be a need for a WP:BROADCONCEPT somewhere ... but does History of Chinese currency already serve that purpose? (Honestly, I'm thinking Chinese currency should be WP:BLARed towards History of Chinese currency, but that's a different discussion for a different day.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...And just found Chinese cash, another disambiguation page ... with more articles including Cash (Chinese coin). Wow... Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- As a side note, I ran into this redirect by trying to identify the origin and denomination of a modern coin that I have laying around. It doesn't have English writing on it, so I thought it might be Chinese and looked for info by putting "Chinese coins" into the search box. I suspect that happens a lot. (Unfortunately, even at Renminbi § Coins, I didn't find any pictures, unlike for American coins, Canadian coins, Japanese coins, Korean coins, Russian coins, etc. I eventually had to look outside of Wikipedia to identify it as a Chinese one jiao coin.) — BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
TL;DR It's fine to have Chinese currency as a disambiguation page. Whether Currency of China should direct there might also be considered.
- The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
- On the nominal topic of this discussion, I support a retarget of both to Chinese currency. — AjaxSmack 20:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Renminbi#Coins would be another logical target for "Chinese coins". It's surprising that there is not a more detailed section, or even article, with images, compared to the very detailed coverage of some other countries' coinage. PamD 20:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Logic aside, a special consideration for this case is that a) coins are not used much in China now (vis-à-vis banknotes, Alipay and WeChat pay) and b) the copper cash coins seen in strings of cash are still found prominently in the Sinosphere with non-currency uses such as in Chinese numismatic charms, in art, in fengshui, in fortune telling, in graves, in medicine and among overseas Chinese. When I hear "Chinese coin" I think more of these and less of a 5-jiao coin. — AjaxSmack 20:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah: on looking further, (a) there are detailed articles such as Fifth series of the renminbi, which I found by rummaging around the category tree to get to Category:Coins of China, and (b) there are no articles on French coins or Brazilian coins (picking a couple of countries I expected to be well and poorly covered), although there are articles such as French franc, French euro coins and Brazilian real. It looks as if we don't cater for the reader like the OP who wants to find out about the coins of a country, together, to try to identify the one in their hand, without knowing the names of the units of currency or anything else about the country's coinage. PamD 20:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Or perhaps not, as that route doesn't lead easily to the detailed info in Fifth series of the renminbi etc, which is where the detailed info can be found. Better navigation is needed to help the reader like our OP find the info which exists in the encyclopedia! PamD 05:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning toward a retarget to Renminbi § Coins. It seems like that's what someone looking for "Chinese coins" would be seeking, not Taiwanese or Hong Kong or historical topics, etc., so I don't think the disambiguation currently provided at Chinese currency is helpful. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:SCIENTOLOGY
[edit]Cn (mathematics)
[edit]Dn (mathematics)
[edit]Objection (law)
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CheckUser
[edit]Tax cuts for the rich
[edit]Yevhen Kholoniuk
[edit]Imperial Royalty
[edit]- Imperial Royalty → Imperial Majesty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This term does not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess Royalty and Majesty are somewhat synonymous. Josethewikier (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above, since both words are synonymous. CycloneYoris talk! 04:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The words are not exact synonyms, and, more imporatntly, "Imperial Majesty" is a title, but "Imperial Royalty" isn't. Emperors can referred to as "His Imperial Majesty", but no ruler has ever been called "His Imperial Royalty". The redirect as it stands is misleading. If it's to be kept, Emperor would be a better target. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Imperial and Royal, Imperial–royal, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty, are just a small selection of targets where this could reasonably point. Unless it can be established that this term is actually used in this form for one or more topics we cover, this should likely be deleted as vague. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to King-Emperor. They're not synonymous; in the context of monarchy, "imperial" refers to emperors/empresses, and "royalty" only to kings/queens, a lesser dignity. This article is general, not country-specific like "Imperial-royal" or "Imperial and Royal", and the redirect title is about a concept, not about a title like "Imperial and Royal Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Majesty". Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Nyttend. All the other proposed targets are specific to a particular context, whereas King-Emperor is a broad concept article. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it looks like the first Google hit for the term is a Pomerian dog breeder, which wasn't exactly on my bingo card. The other results seem to be mostly the kind of keyword synonym spam people use for SEO. There seems to be the occasional usage in historical contexts, e.g. an old history book or museum listing. I think they're using it to emphasize that these are imperial royals, e.g. emperors and not kings, but it doesn't seem to be a term of art. In any case, serious use of the term is rare and doesn't not appear to be a synonym for Imperial Majesty or King-Emperor. Rusalkii (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Teemo
[edit]Raymoo
[edit]- Raymoo → List of Touhou Project characters#Reimu Hakurei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
raymoo hackery is a name generally only seen in shitposts, and i'd honestly be surprised if anyone not nose deep on every touhou rabbit hole knew about it. fittingly, not mentioned in the target, implausible as an actual search (unless you're me), and google gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep and tag as meme. It's plausible that someone finds one of said shitposts, doesn't know how the original name is spelled, and searches "raymoo" to find info on Reimu. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep. I personally believe that it is a genuine misspelling or respelling, but you would probably be hard-pressed to find a reliable source that mentions it being a meme or shitpost. Honestly, I don't even remember making this redirect in 2012, but I doubt that "Raymoo Hackery" ever crossed my mind since we would be discussing a "Raymoo Hackery" redirect as well. Regardless, the outcome doesn't really matter to me, so do what you may. — Nameless(?) 13:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- in your defense, it's funny cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I doubt Wikipedia would be the first place a person searching for info on Reimu would turn to. --Un assiolo (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as a misspelling. It doesn't seem to refer to anything else on Wikipedia. -- Tavix (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Too far derivative. People searching for Reimu know her name isn't spelled this way. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's a fair assumption. What if you only heard the name on a podcast and now you want to know more information? This looks like a plausible attempt at spelling it, especially for those unfamiliar with how Japanese is usually Romanized. -- Tavix (talk) 16:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix. Plausible misspelling/mishearing with no other apparent meaning. If the term becomes ambiguous with anything else, I'd support deletion. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 00:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010
[edit]- North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010 → David Taylor (North West Leicestershire MP) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Never happened. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did the preparations for the by-election actually start? The Banner talk 11:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Where is this mentioned at 2010 United Kingdom general election? -- Tavix (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget to North West Leicestershire (UK Parliament constituency)#History, which is the general article where it's explained. -- Tavix (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Wikipedia:Abritration Committe
[edit]- Wikipedia:Abritration Committe → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Both "Arbitration" and "Committee" are misspelled, making this an implausible redirect. 88.97.195.160 (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Created 8 years ago purposely as a misspelling, and is in no way ambiguous.
(The forecast is calling for WP:SNOW.)Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)- Quite a lot, maybe even the majority, of R3s are created on purpose. The only reason this doesn't suffer the same fate is its age, which is only relevant to R3 and nothing else. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...Seems the WP:SNOW forecast was canceled... Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unused and implausible. Would have qualified as an R3 had it been caught early. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Plausible and harmless, especially as it's in project space. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not
hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects
, I'm simply opposed to the deletion of harmless redirects because deletion is never harmless (for example it hinders navigation) so we should only delete pages when the harm from the existence of the redirect exceeds the harm caused by deletion. In this case there is truly no harm from the redirect's existence - anyone stumbling across it will be taken to where they want to go. It being in project space is relevant, because there is no chance of someone finding this while looking for encyclopaedic content. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- This is what I was I was getting at but in a lot more words: This redirect is in the project/"Wikipedia:" namespace. If someone types this redirect out, they are obviously looking for the current target page. Deletion does more harm than good. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Thryduulf on this. There was zero maintenance burden from this redirect until this RFD was created, which has used far more storage space/processing power/brain power than the redirect ever has. The redirect probably isn't that helpful, but that isn't really enough to justify deletion. BugGhost🦗👻 11:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not
- Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep per previous comments. Redirects are cheap, and despite being an implausible spelling, it's not in mainspace and doesn't do much harm staying as it is. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as harmless {{R from misspelling}}. C F A 💬 18:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom as two separate errors -> implausible. Being in project-space makes this even more unlikely to be typed because 99.5% of everyone types "WP:ARBCOM" or "WP:AC" into the search-bar anyway. This might've been harmless before, and I myself wouldn't have nominated it... but we're here now at RfD so lets seal the deal: its existence is a bad precedent that opens the door to an infinite potential redirect mess.
- If every page on Wikipedia had 5-10 typo redirects that generally seen as implausible, but aren't technically hurting anything because redirects are technically cheap, Wikipedia as a whole would be 5x-10x harder to maintain on the backend / pagecount side, because for each of the millions of pages that exist (across all namespaces), there's tens of millions of implausible typo redirects to scroll through. This is an example of one, so delete to save us the headache of having this same conversation over this exact redirect in another 5-10 years. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Utopes. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as its possible for someone to mispell it, even if its 1/1000 chance. JuniperChill (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dleete prr Utopas, impkusable. Queen of Hearts (talk) 05:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Utopes' excellent explanation. Harmful, as this has come up on RfD and been relisted, and there's nothing to prevent its recurrence at RfD given that there was support for Delete. Jay 💬 16:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because the absence of a consensus to delete means it might get nominated for deletion in the future is one of the silliest justifications for deletion I can recall seeing. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Utopes' justification was
Delete per nom as two separate errors -> implausible.
Everything else was a justification of why this is the opposite of harmless. Jay 💬 15:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- And that justification is what I was calling silly. We don't delete something because some people think that the lack of consensus to delete it was wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- What justification are you referring to - the multiple errors one for deletion, or the explanation for why discussing this at RfD is not harmless? Jay 💬 21:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- The explanation given for why this is not harmless. The only "harm" will come if peopled disliking a lack of consensus to delete think it's worth wasting time nominating a harmless redirect for deletion (for a reason I don't understand). The misspelling is a valid reason to think this is useless, no valid reason has been given for why it is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No Consensus outcomes sometimes get re-nominated after a gap. Sure, a nominator wouldn't do it if he thought it was harmless. I have said why it is harmful. Jay 💬 08:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The explanation given for why this is not harmless. The only "harm" will come if peopled disliking a lack of consensus to delete think it's worth wasting time nominating a harmless redirect for deletion (for a reason I don't understand). The misspelling is a valid reason to think this is useless, no valid reason has been given for why it is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- What justification are you referring to - the multiple errors one for deletion, or the explanation for why discussing this at RfD is not harmless? Jay 💬 21:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- And that justification is what I was calling silly. We don't delete something because some people think that the lack of consensus to delete it was wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Utopes' justification was
- Delete because the absence of a consensus to delete means it might get nominated for deletion in the future is one of the silliest justifications for deletion I can recall seeing. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, multiple typoes are implausible. I do agree that redirects like these are harmless and should not be nominated due to the cost of discussing them, but at this point it's a sunk cost. -- Tavix (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Za'ura
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#Za'ura
Libitum
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Libitum
Enjoyment
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Enjoyment
Infantile
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Infantile
Great-children
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Great-children
Ringie
[edit]Slang term not described at target but listed at Longtail (rat) (which is somehow not linked from the Rat article). There appears to be an unrelated meaning at Two-up, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders
[edit]- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- A Feminist Perspective → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have.Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Epimys
[edit]Chengdu Airport
[edit]- Chengdu Airport → Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was intending to move the disambiguation page Chengdu airport to this name for proper capitalization. However, the original creator of the redirect states that this is a common name for the target airport. Would need sources to confirm this, and I'm unsure if this is even an appropriate redirect (due to the disambiguation page). Johnj1995 (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this is more appropriate to ask via a WP:RM on the disambiguation page (i.e., whether Chengdu airport should be moved to Chengdu airport (disambiguation) to make it a redirect to the same page as the nominated one). 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4:. The disambiguation page should be moved to either Chengdu Airport or Chengdu Airport (disambiguation) for consistency (see Beijing Airport, Shanghai Airport). Also, I don't know if this is even an appropriate target for Chengdu Airport, because non-Chinese users might be looking for Chengdu Tianfu International Airport, which is where all international flights to Chengdu are operated. Johnj1995 (talk) 21:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make "Chengdu Airport" a full disambiguation page because both Chengdu Tianfu International Airport (international) and Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (now domestic) are equally notable WhisperToMe (talk) 02:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The status quo looks correct to me. Is Chengdu Tianfu International Airport commonly known as "Chengdu Airport"? The article gives "Tianfu Airport" as the shorthand for that one. On the other hand, the article says that the shorthand for Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport is "Chengdu Airport". As for the lowercase variant, one would be looking for an airport in Chengdu, not an airport named "Chengdu Airport". The disambiguation does list the airports in Chengdu, but I would suggest that Chengdu#Air is more helpful. -- Tavix (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would look at the post-Tianfu opening source usage to see if Shuangliu is still called "Chengdu Airport" without disambiguaion WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the creation of a disambiguation page as previously stated. The distinction between the two similarly named airports is not obvious to the uninitiated. Carguychris (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would look at the post-Tianfu opening source usage to see if Shuangliu is still called "Chengdu Airport" without disambiguaion WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Sproggen
[edit]Baratron
[edit]DuroKon
[edit]Zenport
[edit]AccuZen
[edit]AgriKon
[edit]ZenTek
[edit]OoX
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#OoX
2032 Summer Olympics medal table
[edit]United States at the 2028 Summer Olympics
[edit]Reticulum cell sarcoma
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 25#Reticulum cell sarcoma
Sarcoma of skin
[edit]List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons
[edit]Gradatio
[edit]"Zelda 3" through "Zelda 20"
[edit]Multiplicity of a restricted root
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Multiplicity of a restricted root
Multiplicities
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Multiplicities
First try
[edit]Young human
[edit]This woman is my destiny
[edit]Extremal
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Extremal
Moldorm
[edit]- Moldorm → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Nightmares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of this redirect is a "boss" enemy in several The Legend of Zelda titles, leaving there potentially no target for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect target changed. Apokrif (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted this change, considering this RFD is open. Per the edit I reverted, seems their intent was to "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games". Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I oppose "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games" since the subject of this redirect has affinity to the Legend of Zelda series, meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about fictional worms. Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
WP:SILENCEWP:NOQUORUM = nominator's proposal ("delete" by default), but that doesn't apply anymore since you have voiced an opinion for a retargeting option, and I don't agree with it. Steel1943 (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Fixed the link I meant. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete as the Moldorm boss does not originate from Link's Awakening; it first appeared in the game immediately before this one and so people looking for it are equally likely to be looking up the ALttP incarnation as the LA one. I'm not willing to Pokemon Test random LoZ bosses. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget per Apokrif, no strong feelings either way. I don't see what the issue with the retarget is, except that its a one-liner and not very useful. The list entry does say
Moldorm, from The Legend of Zelda and its sequels.
Jay 💬 10:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Postman (The Legend of Zelda series)
[edit]Magik (film)
[edit]- Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Draftify or AfD after restoration?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Well, this is really two separate issues. The draft(s) can be restored and draftified, if desired. What needs to be determined here is: Are these appropriate titles to point (i.e redirect) to targets in the mainspace? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per WP:NFF as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because it'll just be deleted six months down the road. -- Tavix (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with draftspace. -- Tavix (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or draftify?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Magik (2015 film) at least – it has no meaningful page history and the year disambiguator doesn't apply anymore. Probably delete Magik (film) as well since there is very little chance the film will ever be made or be notable enough as an unmade film to have its own article. I don't see the point in draftifying it. Also, the current target is confusing. Mclay1 (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD as a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Onox
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Onox
Four Giants
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Four Giants
Lord Jabu-Jabu
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#Lord Jabu-Jabu
Category:Dionysus in Greek mythology
[edit]Game deck
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Game deck
Electronic entertainment
[edit]Home computer game
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Home computer game
Gay cake
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 25#Gay cake
Misty Williams
[edit]Brock Harrison
[edit]Everyone around the world, c'mon - Yahoo! - It's a celebration!
[edit]Well you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man, no time to talk
[edit]Not a problem
[edit]Lager, lager, lager, mega-mega-white thing
[edit]How's the world treating you, Norm?
[edit]Hello, Newman!
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Hello, Newman!
Well, now, I wouldn't say that
[edit]I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, I'll be there.
[edit]Brotherhood of Shadow
[edit]- Brotherhood of Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brothers of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brotherhood of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about this topic with no information at this target. However, there are mentions of the phrase "Brotherhood of Shadow" in multiple articles about subtopics of the target, but since it is mentioned in "multiple", it's not clear why any alternative target is preferred over another. Also, Brotherhood of Shadow is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's an apparently recurring name for a cult that... honestly, the only real pattern i can see in it is being led by quan chi. it's also the name of an unrelated game series that doesn't seem to have an article. i'd say delete, as pretty much no one cares about this name, and i doubt the games will have their own articles. not even sure ed cared about the cult at the time, since killing reptile took priority
- as for which spelling is right? the list of mortal kombat characters directly mentions and uses... two of them. in passing. and the cult isn't mentioned on quan chi's section at all. i suppose killing reptile took priority over deciding on a name as well cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For an opinion on the pre-redirect page history.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- killing reptile apparently took priority over adding sources to... anything there, so i'm not feeling it either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm only three and a half years old.
[edit]Hello, I'm the Nostalgia Critic. I remember it, so you don't have to.
[edit]And awaaay we go! (catchphrase)
[edit]Train leaving on Track Five for Anaheim, Azusa and Cuc-amonga!
[edit]Ay-thang-jaw!
[edit]You're a haa-aa-aa-aard man, McGee!
[edit]They bite, they fight, they bite and bite and fight
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#They bite, they fight, they bite and bite and fight
Henry-y-y-y! Hen-ry Al-drich!
[edit]Kallipateira
[edit]Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel)
[edit]- Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) → Past Doctor Adventures#List of Past Doctor Adventures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Move history to correct disambiguation at Empire of Death (Bishop novel). Per WP:BOOKDAB we disambiguate by author not series. See Category:Novels by Peter Darvill-Evans as one example of many. --woodensuperman 08:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a perfectly normal {{R from other disambiguation}}. We don't require readers to know our naming conventions before being able to find the article they want. In this case even if they do know that books are generally disambiguated by author they could use this search term if they don't know who wrote it. Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- So why do you actually object? Currently, the redirect Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) is sitting in multiple categories, but really it should be the correctly disambiguated Empire of Death (Bishop novel) in these categories per WP:CONSISTENT. As there is a page history behind the redirected article, it would make sense for the article to be moved, rather than just de-populating the categories from one redirect and re-populating from another. --woodensuperman 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- What I am objecting to is deletion of a redirect that is useful to readers. If you actually just want to swap the redirects then that's OK, but I admit to not understanding the point. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not advocating removal of either redirect, both are valid. Just need to move the history to the correctly disambiguated one, and make sure the correctly disambiguated one is the one populating the categories. Should have been simple maintenance, but another editor objected for no apparent reason. --woodensuperman 13:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- What I am objecting to is deletion of a redirect that is useful to readers. If you actually just want to swap the redirects then that's OK, but I admit to not understanding the point. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- So why do you actually object? Currently, the redirect Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) is sitting in multiple categories, but really it should be the correctly disambiguated Empire of Death (Bishop novel) in these categories per WP:CONSISTENT. As there is a page history behind the redirected article, it would make sense for the article to be moved, rather than just de-populating the categories from one redirect and re-populating from another. --woodensuperman 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the history at the current location. This is a book that originates from a television series, and thus conforms across multiple naming conventions. Per WP:NCEPISODE, which primarily focuses on episode and character articles,
Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element).
As per the example given, this covers all other elements; i.e. just how Serenity (Firefly episode) and Serenity (Firefly vessel) are disambiguated from each other using the same programme name, as are Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode) and Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel). Given that the article also doesn't actually exist due to the AFD related to it, note that the AFD related to the Doctor Who disambiguation, and thus the relevant history should remain at the Doctor Who disambiguation.
-- Alex_21 TALK 07:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a book, not a TV episode, therefore we follow the naming conventions at WP:NCBOOKS. Simple as that. --woodensuperman 10:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is media from and related to a television series, thus it crosses multiple naming conventions; per the lead of NCTV, it covers the
article title for any topic related to television
. Ta. -- Alex_21 TALK 22:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)- So where is the specific part of that guideline that covers naming conventions for TV related books? I think you'll find it's still WP:NCBOOKS. --woodensuperman 18:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have argued my position, and will not go in our textbook circular discussions. We'll await the consensus of this discussion. Cheers. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- So where is the specific part of that guideline that covers naming conventions for TV related books? I think you'll find it's still WP:NCBOOKS. --woodensuperman 18:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is media from and related to a television series, thus it crosses multiple naming conventions; per the lead of NCTV, it covers the
- Move per nom. This appears to be much ado... why was the original page move halted? Yes, "Bishop novel" is the canonical name where we'd expect an article and where the history should live, as stated by the nom, but also the current title is totally fine so we should keep the redirect. Unless I'm missing a conversation somewhere, this seems uncontroversial. So move it to the proposed title and keep all redirects as valid. Easy. czar 19:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is, I guess, so we don't reward wasting the community's time by starting a weekslong discussion over frivolities. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ironically, without your non-!vote above, an admin might have been minded to close this as a move, so you've actually ended up wasting more of the community's time on what should have been a straightforward move in line with our guidelines. --woodensuperman 11:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Attacking another editor on their !vote is the poorest faith move I've seen yet. They have every right to voice their opinion; your saltiness that it wasn't closed your way needs to be taken elsewhere. -- Alex_21 TALK 11:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ironically, without your non-!vote above, an admin might have been minded to close this as a move, so you've actually ended up wasting more of the community's time on what should have been a straightforward move in line with our guidelines. --woodensuperman 11:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. After all that, I have just realised that there isn't actually another novel called Empire of Death, so I assume it would be non-controversial to move the page history to Empire of Death (novel) instead, as additional disambiguators no longer seem necessary per WP:BOOKDAB. --woodensuperman 11:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{R from other disambiguation}}. C F A 💬 21:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep / Procedural close as wrong forum. They are fine as redirect titles. For the page history, this is a controversial move request and may be listed at WP:RM#CM. Jay 💬 14:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Strogg in Quake 4
[edit]Quackifier
[edit]- Quackifier → Quake III Arena (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not that i'm the biggest and oldest quake fan out there, but i haven't found any info on anything in the history ever actually existing with this name. results gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD. This was an article about a bit of software that "modified the OpenGL driver for ATI video cards, to change all references of "quake" to "quack"" to hack some code in the videocard drivers. I can't verify that (the reference is a dead link and google finds only usernames and ChatGPT output, after I insist I don't mean "qualifier"). Even though it's almost certainly not notable I can't find any evidence of the content being discussed and it's not speedy deletable so AfD is the correct venue. Thryduulf (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per
it's almost certainly not notable
, and I agree with that assessment. There's no need to take a bureaucratic extra step for something this obvious. -- Tavix (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC) - Delete. The article was redirected in 2008. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that an article about this subject that is not a guide could be written quite easily (focus on the technology, the impact of it, reactions to it, any legacy, etc). Whether such an article would meet the GNG is a different question and one that can policy says can only be answered at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- the answer already seems to be "no", considering how even you found nothing reliable, so what would be the point of this extra step? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Policy says that articles which don't meet the speedy deletion criteria are discussed at AfD. Ignoring that policy will not benefit the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply (IAR is rarely a good match when it comes to deletion anyway), because AfD gives a full chance for people who evaluate article content to evaluate article content and maximum visibility to those who know the topic area and can find sources. Such people do not tend to watch RfD because it's nearly always not relevant - because RfD discusses redirects not the deletion of article content. Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- to be honest, i don't really see how that justifies it. the stub before had one (1) source that doesn't even seem to be primarily about quackifier (couldn't get it to load /_ \), so there's no real point in interrupting the deletion of a pretty unambiguously not very notable redirect in one place so it can be deleted as a pretty unambiguously not notable article. also, where did the "speedy" part come from? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a redirect, not an article, so the "policy" that Thryduulf made a vague wave to, if it were to exist, wouldn't apply here. -- Tavix (talk) 23:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a disputed BLAR. Disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion of the article content, as the article content is what is being deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not. No one is advocating for keeping the article content. Even if there were, WP:BLAR says that if there is a disagreement that
other methods of dispute resolution should be used
. RfD is a method of dispute resolution. -- Tavix (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)- The redirection is disputed. I am arguing that the content should be restored and discussed as article content according to the policies for deletion of article content. In what way is that not a disputed BLAR? Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- In BLAR, the disagreement is between someone who wants to keep the page as an article and someone who wants to blank-and-redirect the article. In order for you to take that position, you must be in favor of keeping the article. You have not taken that position, your argument is purely jurisdictional. Please cite the policy you are appealing to. -- Tavix (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The disagreement is over the status as a redirect. The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
Pages that do not fall in the above three categories [copyvio, speedy deletion, prod] may be deleted after community discussion at one of the deletion discussion venues
. Deletion venues is linked to: Wikipedia:Deletion processes which states that AfD is for articles and RfD is for redirects. We're dealing with article content hidden by an undiscussed redirect that has been objected to: i.e. a WP:BLAR which statesIf other editors disagree with this blanking, [...] the content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used, such as restoring the article and nominating the article for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.
. - Please quote the policy that allows for deletion of articles at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
Pages that do not fall in the above three categories [copyvio, speedy deletion, prod] may be deleted after community discussion at one of the deletion discussion venues
. Deletion venues is linked to: Wikipedia:Deletion processes which states that AfD is for articles and RfD is for redirects. This is a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
- The disagreement is over the status as a redirect. The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
- In BLAR, the disagreement is between someone who wants to keep the page as an article and someone who wants to blank-and-redirect the article. In order for you to take that position, you must be in favor of keeping the article. You have not taken that position, your argument is purely jurisdictional. Please cite the policy you are appealing to. -- Tavix (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirection is disputed. I am arguing that the content should be restored and discussed as article content according to the policies for deletion of article content. In what way is that not a disputed BLAR? Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not. No one is advocating for keeping the article content. Even if there were, WP:BLAR says that if there is a disagreement that
- This is a disputed BLAR. Disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion of the article content, as the article content is what is being deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Policy says that articles which don't meet the speedy deletion criteria are discussed at AfD. Ignoring that policy will not benefit the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply (IAR is rarely a good match when it comes to deletion anyway), because AfD gives a full chance for people who evaluate article content to evaluate article content and maximum visibility to those who know the topic area and can find sources. Such people do not tend to watch RfD because it's nearly always not relevant - because RfD discusses redirects not the deletion of article content. Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- the answer already seems to be "no", considering how even you found nothing reliable, so what would be the point of this extra step? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that an article about this subject that is not a guide could be written quite easily (focus on the technology, the impact of it, reactions to it, any legacy, etc). Whether such an article would meet the GNG is a different question and one that can policy says can only be answered at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#List of Strogg in Quake II
BFGv3.14
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#BFGv3.14
Hellish invasion of Mars
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Hellish invasion of Mars
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
Couch sex
[edit]- Couch sex → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Although one of the references includes "couch sex", it's not discussed in the actual article, and I'm curious if something like this will blow over... Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete under G10. It's not plausible that someone is looking for Vance under the term "Couch sex"; this is purely about disparaging the subject. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a number of similar redirects pointing here: JD Vance's couch, JD Vance couch controversy, JD Vance couch hoax, Did JD Vance have sex with a couch?. —Cryptic 23:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not convinced all of those should exist either, they all have "JD Vance" in the title, which al least brings them into the realm of plausibility. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- G10 definitely doesn't apply to the suggested alternative target Casting couch. I'm not really sure that's a reasonable redirect for Couch sex either, so I tilt towards deletion in either case, but it's only the Vance target that carries serious BLP issues. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 20:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not convinced all of those should exist either, they all have "JD Vance" in the title, which al least brings them into the realm of plausibility. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a number of similar redirects pointing here: JD Vance's couch, JD Vance couch controversy, JD Vance couch hoax, Did JD Vance have sex with a couch?. —Cryptic 23:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe retarget to Casting couch? —Cryptic 23:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's more of a "sex couch" than "couch sex"? Jruderman (talk) 00:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- erm, someone must have removed it. the info I was trying to direct to was just under "public opinion", and I've also been changing similar redirects to wherever has been the current destination since nobody could figure out where it goes in the article. I think it was also discussed in the talk page. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 23:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- nope, the info is there, but yeah. a more helpful redirect would have been "JD Vance couch sex" or something. I can agree with the re-target to the obviously more established "casting couch" 👍 YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 23:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to casting couch. like how team fortress 2 isn't the primary topic for the concept of sandwiches, jd vance isn't the primary topic for the concept of having sex in (or with) a couch. i'd say retarget to castng couch, if only because human mating strategies, human sexual activity, sexual intercourse, and sexual arousal don't necessarily mention couches or sofas a whole lot cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Casting couch - That seems the most plausible and least-likely-to-be-G10'd redirect. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete Even for Vance, we have to maintain some standards of objectivity. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- 2-dab JD Vance couch controversy & Casting couch. — Jruderman (talk) 00:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Screamingly obvious delete as an attack, and no, I don't think casting couch is an acceptable substitute. Someone may be looking for pointers on how do to it without falling off, after all. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Casting couch - title isn't related to JD Vance. Casting couch is the most likely target for a user searching for "Couch sex". The redirects pointed out by Cryptic in an above comment that directly mention JD Vance should be kept unaltered, especially as the hoax is now mentioned in the article - JD Vance#Hillbilly Elegy masturbation hoax BugGhost🦗👻 13:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all the first one is an obvious WP:G10. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This discussion should have all of the JD Vance/couch redirects as a bundle. There are multiple ones (that all point to nonexistent sections of his article) and this discussion is only handling one of them. Liz Read! Talk! 22:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- i disagree, as those have the (in)decency of actually mentioning the guy. this one has been nominated specifically because it doesn't do that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Mangoe, Casting couch is not an acceptable substitute. This cannot be a dab. Do not bundle other mentioned redirects with this. Jay 💬 13:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Cecile Shapiro
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 20#Cecile Shapiro
Midnight Fantasy
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 20#Midnight Fantasy
Brühl-Vochem–Cologne-Godorf Harbour railway
[edit]Monsoon Revolution
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Monsoon Revolution
Draft:Joe Biden
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 20#Draft:Joe Biden
F. Fitzgerald
[edit]- F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius(talk) 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius(talk) 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius(talk) 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fitzgerald (surname) per nom. Multiple Fitzgeralds with 'F' firstnames. Jay 💬 10:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Red Caesar
[edit]Assassination of Donald Trump
[edit]Pokémon incident
[edit]Photosite
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 20#Photosite
OpticFilm 7200i
[edit]Orsini Polypytch
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 20#Orsini Polypytch
Хвощ
[edit]Estro
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 20#Estro
Paris Olympics
[edit]- Paris Olympics → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paris Olympic Games → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Olympics are over now. Disambiguate. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. Los Angeles Olympics would be the same after the 2028 Games conclude. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nom. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games. -- Tavix (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix (though that article's lead is somewhat poorly written). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation per nom. Merge Paris hosting the Olympic Games into its respective articles; there is nothing in common between 1900 & 1924 and 2024 except the city. It doesn't warrant an article. IntGrah (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support this – IntGrah (talk) 14:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation of Paris Olympics per the nomination and prior discussion. There is strong precedent with Los Angeles Olympics, Salt Lake City Olympics, Lake Placid Olympics, Beijing Olympics, Innsbruck Olympics, Tokyo Olympics, etc. However, the ambiguous term Paris Olympic Games should not redirect to the 2024 instance, but rather to the Paris Olympics disambiguation, effectively restoring the prior redirect there. (A bot recently "fixed" the double-redirect there that would not have existed in the first place if Paris Olympics had been a proper WP:DAB from the start, in line with precedent.) --Tim Parenti (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation page - Since Paris has hosted three Olympiads, it should be a dab between the three. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate by restoring this version and moving it back to Paris Olympics, as suggested by Tavix. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding this old version. I hadn't realized that Paris Olympics had been a proper disambiguation page at some point in the past, so your proposal is now my preferred mechanism for its restoration. --Tim Parenti (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make into a dis-ambiguation page the same way it was done successfully with London Olympics. Georgia guy (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games which is a broad-concept article and is the disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages should not duplicate BCAs unless there are additional meanings. C F A 💬 02:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the article just needs to be cleaned up. This is a reasonable topic for a broad-concept article. C F A 💬 16:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support DAB per nom, like the discussion at London Olympics, the Paris hosting the Olympic Games should be merged with their articles, and converted/redirected to a DAB. DankJae 18:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games per CFA. If there is concern with that page, list at AfD / restore disambiguated version / add merge tags. Jay 💬 10:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
List of countries by Military Strength Index
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#List of countries by Military Strength Index
Ibrahim Mohamed
[edit]Debayer
[edit]2028 United States presidential election
[edit]Anti universe
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Anti universe
Kanji draftspace XNRs
[edit]Manalo Cult
[edit]SSFII
[edit]Turbo Edition
[edit]Praamzius
[edit]I kind of doubt that the minor planet is more relevant than the deity here, so this should probably point at the same target as the redirect just below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. I originally created the redirect assuming no such article for the deity existed, I endorse changing it with this in mind. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 23:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree, but not to the refined "List of gods" of the below nomination (assuming this is the target the nom meant). Praamzius is mentioned multiple times in List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures, so can be retargeted there. Jay 💬 19:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay, it should point at the same target as the redirect below, whatever that will be. Is your comment a "keep" vote in relation to the nomination below? I've proposed retargeting. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I misunderstood that the target you wanted was "List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures#List of gods". Oddly, I find the entry at "List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures", with the varied spellings, more useful than Dievas itself. So yes, it will be a keep with respect to the nomination below. Dievas may be linked at the list article entry though. Jay 💬 17:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay, it should point at the same target as the redirect below, whatever that will be. Is your comment a "keep" vote in relation to the nomination below? I've proposed retargeting. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Praamžius
[edit]- Praamžius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures#List of gods (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dievas would probably be more specific of a target. A Praamžis redirect should exist (be created later) with the same target as this one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Karorius
[edit]- Karorius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Bute (mythology)
[edit]- Bute (mythology) → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Correctly diacriticised Butė does not exist, and only mention of that spelling on the English Wikipedia is an unrelated surname at the 2019 Lithuanian presidential election article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bute (Greek mythology) redirects to Butes.
Bundle that here, orretarget to Butes. Jay 💬 19:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)- I see no reason to bundle a redirect that points at its unambiguous meaning. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're right. Struck off the bundling part. Jay 💬 13:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see no reason to bundle a redirect that points at its unambiguous meaning. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Diedievaite
[edit]- Diedievaite → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Correctly diacriticised Diedievaitė does not exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Aušlavis
[edit]- Aušlavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auslavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned in any article on the English Wikipedia, though this is linked from the {{Baltic religion}} navigational template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušlavis as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Aušautas
[edit]- Aušautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ausautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušautas as an {{R from merge}}. Probably retarget Ausautas to Ausātas. Jay 💬 19:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario party switch
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 18#Mario party switch
Mario Party (Nintendo 3DS)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 18#Mario Party (Nintendo 3DS)
Mario Party 3DS
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 18#Mario Party 3DS
Mario party revolution
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#Mario party revolution
Mario Party Wii
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 18#Mario Party Wii
Mario Bandstand
[edit]Boo's Haunted Bash
[edit]- Boo's Haunted Bash → Mario Party 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The page has history, but is not substantial (and content is unsourced), hence I have not tagged it as such. Jay 💬 19:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Appears to be a place/board in the game [47], but mention at target in unnecessary; delete per nom. Cremastra (talk) 23:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Unio personalis
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#Unio personalis
Christologistical
[edit]Brahmanical Hinduism
[edit]Silly mountain
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 18#Silly mountain
Perfect victory
[edit]Iasst
[edit]2025 UK general election
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#2025 UK general election
Lee Min-ho (singer)
[edit]Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
Priestess
[edit]- Priestess → Priest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Female priest → Ordination of women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Re-target to Ordination of women. This is for consistency with Female priest, as agreed upon at Talk:Priestess_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_25_August_2023. Discussion of the other redirect occurred at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_15#Female_priest. There are concerns about the appropriateness of the current target to house a section for the target of this redirect. See Talk:Priest#Priestesses. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. A priestess is a female priest, therefore the topic is clearly the covered by the article at priest. I've never heard the term used in connection with the origination of women, and would be frankly rather WP:ASTONISHed if the redirect went there. — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's ordination, not origination. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I nominated the other redirect Female priest in case we want to change it to Priest for consistency.
- @Amakuru: You "never heard the term ... the origination of women, and ... WP:ASTONISHed"?
FYI, I created this RfD while dealing with Draft:Priestess, and related articles' history might be useful. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Keep per Shhhnotsoloud - if someone prepends "female" to this then the topic is most likely to refer to ordination of women
— User:Amakuru 15:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I might support a split of Ordination of women, with some of it being split off to Priestess and the rest moved to Ordination of women in Christianity. These appear to be 2 separate notable concepts that don't have to be combined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. That is what I've been attempting to accurately do.
- Personal bias disclosed: I use the title. And it is legally valid in my region.
- Whilst I am a minority to use it in my particular faith tradition, I know many other women in ministry of different faiths, who also sincerely use it for official purposes. As well
- As historically. Any woman in many countries, that worked as a ceremony lead in any kind of temple, often was called a Priestess. Priestess Noel Ann (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In favour of making the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Priestess its own page, linked to Ordination of women.
- Priestess Noel Ann (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More discussion may need to occur regarding Draft:Priestess and its article potential to help form consensus here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think RfD is the place to discuss whether Draft:Priestess should be an article since there are already places for that to happen. If there is a "Priestess" article, I agree that Female priest should redirect there. If that article doesn't exist (or until it does), I think the current situation seems ideal: (a) Priestess should redirect to Priest (just like Actress→Actor); (b) I have less strong feelings about "Female Priest"→"Ordination of woman" but I think it makes sense. People might want to describe someone as a "priestess" with a hyperlink and have it redirect to a page explaining what the profession/role means. That seems pretty unlikely with "female priest". —mako๛ 12:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, happens quite often. Replace the redirect with an article, and the discussion gets closed. If need be, the "new" article can go to WP:AFD. Steel1943 (talk) 00:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is more than replacing the redirect with an article. Priestess Noel Ann had turned the redirect to article twice, and was reverted twice. Procyon117 said while reverting
The edits you've put can just be integrated into the priest article.
. Per Procyon117's advice, Priestess Noel Ann revived a 2006 discussion at Talk:Priest but got no response. The nom advised Priestess Noel Ann to follow a draft process via AfC, however the draft is not currently under AfC. Hence we can maintain the status quo while we wait for AfC / draft process to play out. Jay 💬 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Unreal engine
[edit]Template:AFC infobox
[edit]Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)
Formula one in schools
[edit]Draft:Jaheim
[edit]Le Clique: Vida Rockstar (X)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#Le Clique: Vida Rockstar (X)
Priyanka Chahar Choudhary
[edit]My cock is hard
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#My cock is hard
Movies about pbuh
[edit]Kalki (upcoming film)
[edit]- Noting: the page for Kalki 2898 AD has 3 million monthly pageviews in early to mid August (the time of this RfD), and the "upcoming film" redirect (now deleted) had 5 monthly pageviews, give-or-take, iirc.
- Generously, 0.00002% of the 3 million searchers accidentally clicked on a blatantly inaccurate title, for a movie that released in June 2024 (two months prior). A redlink would not dissuade users from reaching this target, as nobody actually thought this movie was still upcoming in August. The reason these numbers on the redirect are so low for such a popular movie, because there was no article content here for over a year+, as it was moved away from this title 13 months ago. This explains why there were a microscopic / inconsequential number of people trying to get to Kalki 2898 AD from this title, despite it being the third most viewed article on the entire Wikipedia site at the time.
- Nobody was suggesting a speedy deletion (no criteria apply), so I'm not sure why that was specified; it was always going to be a slow deletion here. But gesturing towards an enforced slow delete for the purpose of "catching stragglers" would offer zero benefit here, as its not as if this title was recently moved. There's been nothing here for over a year+, the 5 monthly pageviews to a 3,000,000 viewed target are inconsequential and (imo) totally ignorable, and it's been a misleading title for 2 months -> deletable per the generally agreed-upon WP:UFILM suggestion. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why the polemic on a closed discussion here, but I explained my reasoning with my !vote. What matters is the absolute number of page views, not the relative number - the readers we inconvenience don't care (and shouldn't care) how many we don't inconvenience. Why people are or are not viewing the redirect does not matter, what matters is only whether they are or are not (and whether they get to their intended target or not). WP:UFILM is nothing more than a begrudging compromise between those who care for strict accuracy above everything else and those who regard getting readers to the content they are looking for as the most important factor, don't attach more weight to it than it deserves (which is little). Thryduulf (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Wonderland (upcoming film)
[edit]Györöd, Romania
[edit]Zelda Games in Development
[edit]Virginia & truckee 11, reno
[edit]Windproof umbrella
[edit]Template:Bruh
[edit]List of storms named Jeana
[edit]Occupied Korea
[edit]All-Star Batman and Robin
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#All-Star Batman and Robin