Talk:Against the Wind (album)

Too much angry, overwrought criticism

As I found this article, the only descriptive text was a brief introductory paragraph and a long, bitter rant against it from a single critic. No way should the opinions of one unhinged, hyperventilating critic dominate the page. I cut most of the critical text but preserved the opening remarks of the screed, which express the fury of the critic. The rest was just redundant vitriol.98.69.157.170 (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't sound like the article was in very good shape, but I'm suspicious of your motives and your edit. Now, why would you describe a journalist as "one unhinged, hyperventilating critic" -- and remove most of his work -- unless you were a fan, and editing from that perspective?

(Wikipedia is not a collection of "fan pages".)

If you're referring to Dave Marsh -- who understandably said the album was "not only the worst record Bob Seger has ever made, but an absolutely cowardly one as well" -- you're referring to probably THE most respected and referenced rock journalist of the era. So to call him "one unhinged, hyperventilating critic" was rather "cowardly" of YOU.

The above quote is now all that remains of Marsh's review in this article, and I notice the link is gone. I'm sure the review is online, and I'm sure the link was once in the article. In fact, here it is:

==Criticism==

Rock journalist Dave Marsh criticized the record as a betrayal of Seger's fans: "I'd like to say that this is not only the worst record Bob Seger has ever made, but an absolutely cowardly one as well." Marsh had followed Seger since before Night Moves, when Seger finally gained national fame, and said in this review that Seger's long, tireless struggle to stardom is trivialized by this record.

"He had to fight hard to prove there was still a place in rock & roll for a guy like him, and, with Night Moves, he won. This is the LP that makes such a victory meaningless ... It makes me sad, and it makes me angry (another emotion that's disappeared here, though it's often fueled Seger's finest work). Maybe rock & roll never forgets, but the best thing anybody who ever had any hope for Bob Seger can do is try not to remember Against the Wind and pray for something better next time. I wouldn't hold my breath."

With "bad" reviews like that, who needs GOOD ones?

Let's be honest: We're talking about a record made with two bands, plus a bands' worth of additional musicians and singers (including three Eagles), co-produced by the band whose name ISN'T on the album, plus the artist and three more producers, including legend Bill Szymczyk, who surely could have done the job on his own. And Bob and his bogus "Silver Bullet Band" took the Grammy for best vocal by a Duo or Group away from Queen, a real band of four, who'd rightfully earned it. If he'd then given his Grammy to any other nominee, I'd be a Bob Seger Booster! A Cheesehead or Parrothead or whatever you call yourselves! Honest. I'd be impressed by the integrity! But no, Seger stood up there and accepted a Grammy meant for bands, with his bloated three-band, ten-producer, singer/songwriter album.

If that isn't COWARDLY . . . what is?

--Ben Culture (talk) 00:17, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

User:98.69.157.170, I find your comments here, justifying your slash-and-burn of Dave Marsh's review, to be dishonest in the extreme. Either that, or you have poor reading comprehension. It is clear from even a single reading of the review (which hardly "dominated" the article before you reduced it to a single sentence without a citation) that Marsh was a supporter of Seger's work who found Against the Wind to be an unworthy follow-up to Night Moves -- an album he clearly felt was a triumph for Seger. He wasn't one of those If-it-ain't-punk-it's-junk snobs who dismissed singer/songwriter rock like Seger's. It's bloody obvious the man, one of the most respected journalists in rock, RESPECTED SEGER!

The fuller quote is now restored, and the article is better for it.

(Sorry, forgot to sign)

→Ben Culture (talk) 12:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

References

Nothing here about Jan Fonda and "Her Strut"?

I'm amazed there's nothing on here about how "Her Strut" is a song specifically written about Jane Fonda. When this album came out he said in a radio interview that he wrote it when thinking about how the people she goes up against are confronted not just by her personality but also by her body (this was when she had introduced her workout tapes). The lyric for the song as printed on the album sleeve had the famous part written as: "But oh they love to watch her strut / Oh they do respect her / But they love to watch her strut. " But Seger sings it as, "Oh they do respect her but [butt] / They love to watch her strut." Seger said that people (meaning men) would find her an interesting person because of her political convictions, but at the same time they didn't want to miss watching her walk away. Can't somebody do a quick internet search to add this to the article? __209.179.29.71 (talk) 04:31, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Grammy award

There was some confusion over the Grammy award with both the album and song articles indicating a Grammy award. In researching the subject I mistakenly thought it was the song that was nominated rather than the album. Actually the song was nominated in the Pop category and the album in the Rock category. The source cited reads as follows:

Best Pop Vocal Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal

"Against the Wind," Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band (track from "Against the Wind")

Best Rock Vocal Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal

"Against the Wind," Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band (album)

Hopefully this clears up any confusion. Piriczki (talk) 14:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)