Talk:Booting
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[edit]Hello!
I want to add link to article. It's strict about topic (change boot order and boot from removable device). Also article is well written and has a lot of pictures. It's very close to article on link which already has "Change the Boot Order in BIOS", but I think it digs more deeply and give a lot of examples, therefore it's more useful.
Link: https://123qweasd.com/blog/tech/how-to-boot-from-flash-drive-ultimate-guide/
The FreeBSD Booting Process
[edit]Loading a kernel Determine the root filesystem Initialize user-land things Interesting combinations
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyvan amel (talk • contribs) 10:50, 7 July 2006
sourcing for bootstrap problem
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Boot is short for bootstrap[1][2] or bootstrap load and derives from the phrase to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps.[3][4] The usage calls attention to the requirement that, if most software is loaded onto a computer by other software already running on the computer, some mechanism must exist to load the initial software onto the computer.[5] Early computers used a variety of ad-hoc methods to get a small program into memory to solve this problem. The invention of read-only memory (ROM) of various types solved this paradox by allowing computers to be shipped with a start up program that could not be erased. Growth in the capacity of ROM has allowed ever more elaborate start up procedures to be implemented.
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The reason this is important is, well ... *why* did people pick "booting" or "bootstrap loading" as the term for this?
Well, it's because you're stuck with this chicken-and-egg problem. And at first sight the only way to get out of it is to somehow magically pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, right? Right?
While the quote and my summary express my intuition on the topic, unfortunately none of these sources actually state the paradox themselves (thus they are insufficient to support the paragraph content). I've even tried using GPT to get a toehold and branch out to find sources that way, but no bueno.
Is my understanding of the etymology wrong? Surely there must be a source somewhere!
Sometimes the most obvious things are the hardest to source! %-/ Help appreciated. --Kim Bruning (talk) 11:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ "bootstrap". Computer Dictionary of Information Technology. Archived from the original on 2019-08-05. Retrieved 2019-08-05.
- ^ "Bootstrap". The Free Dictionary. Archived from the original on 2006-08-27. Retrieved 2008-08-27.
- ^ "Pull oneself up by bootstraps". Idioms by The Free Dictionary. Archived from the original on 2018-10-05. Retrieved 2019-10-07.
- ^ "Bootstrap Definition". Tech Terms. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2019-10-02.
- ^ "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps". The Phrase Finder. Archived from the original on 2012-04-17. Retrieved 2010-07-15.
Merge per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bootloop
[edit]Merging Bootloop into Booting#Bootloops. Scope is 'erroneous state' of a distributed and concurrent system of systems. -- Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've made some necessary heading adjustments to the merged material. I'm not impressed with the decision made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bootloop. After the merge, it almost looks ready for a WP:SPLIT. ~Kvng (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- The merge put the article into Category:Technological failures; I'm not sure the existence of a boot process is, in and of itself, a technological failure of the type discussed in the other articles in that category. Unless there's a way to put a section of an article into that category, in which case that should be done with the "Bootloop" section, that should probably be undone. Guy Harris (talk) 04:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Removed. ~Kvng (talk) 13:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- The merge put the article into Category:Technological failures; I'm not sure the existence of a boot process is, in and of itself, a technological failure of the type discussed in the other articles in that category. Unless there's a way to put a section of an article into that category, in which case that should be done with the "Bootloop" section, that should probably be undone. Guy Harris (talk) 04:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)