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    July 28

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    How come my wikipedia page is not showing up on google

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    I have a Wikipedia page, but it never shows up when I search for it on Google. It's weird Gabrielle Selz DGHamlin (talk) 02:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi DGHamlin. We appear to have articles about two different members of that family: Peter Selz and Gabrielle Selz. You mentioned a concern with Gabrielle's article, but your only edit was instead to Peter's article. Could you double-check which one is a concern? DMacks (talk) 04:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article Gabrielle Selz was created in March, more than 90 days ago, so it should now be accessible to Google's crawler. I can't explain why it doesn't show up on a search. (It was created by Th30Selz, whom I suspect of being her son, with an undeclared conflict of interest; but he's done a competent job.) Maproom (talk) 07:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I found Gabrielle Selz in a Google search, see this screenshot. However, Wikipedia doesn't have any control over how search engines index the site.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DGHamlin: Do you mean that you are Gabrielle Selz? If so then see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest if you want to make edits about yourself or your family. Gabrielle Selz is the fifth result on the first page of a Google search for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Second result on DuckDuckGo for me (acknowledged this is not the original question), with blurb drawn from the article. It does show up in a google search as well, although I had to scroll through about three screens of AI generated boxes before I got to the actual search results, which is why I switched to DuckDuckGo in the first place. I wonder if the original concern is more along the lines of "the Wikipedia article never shows up in Google's page after page of AI generated boxes". Folly Mox (talk) 13:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    With Duckduckgo, a search for "Gabrielle Selz" gives her own web site first, the Wikipedia article second. With Chrome and Google search, her Wikipedia article is (for me) listed 97th, after yards of drivel. I shall be using Duckduck go in future. Thank you, Folly Mox.   Maproom (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For sure! I've found that for certain cases (like site: and inurl: keywords, or multiple string literals in non-Latin characters) google will provide better results than DuckDuckGo, but most of the time the results are similar, delta the nonsense google piles on the top. Folly Mox (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Error message

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    automated filter error occured. please guide. Aditi's Voice (talk) 02:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Aditi's Voice, are you talking about your attempts at creating Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya Shegaon (Buldhana)? If not, please be more specific.
    If you are, the message is correct: you were trying to add an email address, but email addresses usually don't belong in articles. Additionally, it looks like you were trying to copy the official site, so the article would have had to be deleted as a copyright violation anyway. Rummskartoffel 09:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Gypsy rose

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    While reading your online description of gypsy rose Blanchard I noticed the website states she is a MBP survivor, her mother was never diagnosed with MBP so you’re spreading false information 2603:6011:AF02:D1D0:787A:2B18:7A0B:A164 (talk) 13:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The lack of a medical diagnosis doesn't necessarily negate claims made by other reliable sources, especially so in this case where nothing relevant came to light until the mother was already dead. That said, if you feel strongly about improving the wording of the article, you could open a discussion about your concerns at Talk:Gypsy-Rose Blanchard. Folly Mox (talk) 13:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Who is the reliable source? And wouldn’t what you just said completely disregard anything about the case. It’s all based off medical records…Maybe y’all should do some research instead of spreading false information. 2603:6011:AF02:D1D0:787A:2B18:7A0B:A164 (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you had read the whole article, including the "references" section at the bottom, you'd find multiple reliable sources that support the statement, including: [1][2][3], etc. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those are not reliable sources lol 2603:6011:AF02:D1D0:787A:2B18:7A0B:A164 (talk) 14:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And an anonymous IP is a reliable source? Shantavira|feed me 16:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As in me? You can look through medical records anyone can, she was never diagnosed with MBP which is a FACT and easily accessible online to find 98.123.108.254 (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also I’m not the one publishing things on Wikipedia as true 98.123.108.254 (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds like something you might want to bring up at Talk:Gypsy-Rose Blanchard, where you can discuss with editors who have worked on the article and are familiar with the topic. Folly Mox (talk) 20:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Determination as to what is a reliable source is made by consensus of Wikipedia editors. You can see at WP:RSP that the consensus is that both ABC News and CBS News are considered reliable sources. But if you have other reliable sources that contradict these sources, you should open a discussion on the article talk page. CodeTalker (talk) 01:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If a celebrity with their article happens to have a Wikipedia account, should the content added by themselves that are without sources in their own article be reverted?

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    For example if a celeb has their Wikipedia account (with lots of evidence to prove it is their own and that celeb admits it), and they added their birth date to their own article but WITHOUT sources, should their edit(s) be reverted as well?

    sorry for my poor english grammar :( Coddlebean (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    All content must be referenced, regradless of who the editor is, per the policy at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Shantavira|feed me 15:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Coddlebean: The celebrity can publish this information on a non-Wikipedia web site that they clearly control. Wikipedia can then reference that web site. But even so, Wikipedis should say something like "Ms. Jones asserts that she was born on January 1, 1970", because celebrities have been known to be less than truthful about age. -Arch dude (talk) 16:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If by (with lots of evidence to prove it is their own and that celeb admits it) you mean the celebrity is aware of a Wikipedia article about them and are annoyed at the lack of information on their own article, I think they can solve this problem themselves pretty easily. In specific, the celebrity might find it helpful to look at WP:ABOUTSELF. If I was a celebrity who wanted to have my birthdate added to a Wikipedia article, I'd probably post a video to a Twitter account known to be managed by me, holding up my birth certificate or other ID with my birthday on it, and affirming "Hello, I am Celebrity, this is my Twitter account, and this is my birthday." Seems excessive but there are some articles where editors are pedantic – or carefully precise, depending on how you look at it – so I'd be looking to satisfy WP:ABOUTSELF as completely as possible, both in letter and in spirit. 122141510 (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I handle suspicions of a biased editor or an editor who might have a conflict of interest?

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    I have regularly interacted with an editor in a contentious topic area who appears to either have a bias or conflict of interest. When I raise this question, the editor consistently attacks me for violating WP:AGF. In addition, they continue to claim – or at least imply – they are the 'truly' NPOV editor, and must guard the topics against POV editing. This editor has a very large number of edits and seems to be held in regard by many, but they do not appear to investigate this person's overall edit history in the topic area, which are self-evidently contradictory and only ever cut one way. I previously tried WP:ANI and it did not succeed. (i.e. was that the correct venue, or are there other venues to investigate this? ANI did not seem to oblige them to comment on the contradictory nature of their edit contributions.) 122141510 (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:NPOVN or WP:COIN (depending if the problems is really their Point Of View or their Conflict Of Interest? Polygnotus (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would add that if you have any off-wiki evidence, social media profiles, that sort of thing, you should email it to the volunteer response team at paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Just Step Sideways: I doubt that very much, it is probably about User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish#ECR_Talk_page_reversion. Someone called Sean.hoyland gave great advice, which I will quote here: There is nobody stopping you from becoming extendedconfirmed and contributing to the PIA topic area.. Polygnotus (talk) 18:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is not regarding that case whatsoever. I made very expressly clear in an ensuing arbitration request I have no suspicion against that administrator and I actually consider myself, at best, incidental to said ensuing arbitration request. It is a different case where I suspect a NPOV issue, but another editor has raised the spectre of a conflict of interest which I can't imagine would be easy to prove – or even have great reason to suspect – but I figured I'd ask while I was here. 122141510 (talk) 18:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @122141510: Ok, my mistake, it was a bad guess. Polygnotus (talk) 18:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your time. 122141510 (talk) 18:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    female vs women

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    There have been some discussions in the past about female vs women (e.g. female lawyer vs women lawyer) as categories.

    For example in 2006 and 2007 and 2013. Is there a rule about this written down somewhere? I tried WP:NAMING but couldn't find it. Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Polygnotus, there isn't a rule. In a 2024 discussion the closer recommended "If there are individual categories that should be renamed, they should be nominated individually." TSventon (talk) 21:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @TSventon: Thank you, interesting. I was hoping there was some simple black and white rule but life is never that binary. Polygnotus (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Polygnotus:, what were you hoping to do? WP:CATGENDER explains when we have female/women categories. If you have more detailed questions you could try Wikipedia talk:Categorization. TSventon (talk) 21:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @TSventon: Well, as a stupid foreigner, Category:Female lawyers and Category:Female artists sounds better to me than Category:Women lawyers and Category:Women artists for example. So I was curious what system Wikipedia uses to determine what to use and why my brain considers Category:Women lawyers to be incorrect (unless they exclusively have female clients). Our glorious Elbonian works very differently. Polygnotus (talk) 21:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Further information: sex-gender distinction
    Tule-hog (talk) 17:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Polygnotus, you may find some helpful information in this WP essay: Wikipedia:Writing about women, or could ask at the talk page of one of these projects: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Essays/Writing women into the encyclopedia or WP:GGTF the Gender gap task force. Netherzone (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Archiving

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    I am working updating/correcting a page. Is there a way to archive what is already there so that version isn't lost?

    Thanks, S HillCollegeWikiEditor (talk) 20:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @HillCollegeWikiEditor: Old versions are automatically stored and available in the page history. See Help:Page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! HillCollegeWikiEditor (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Page deletion

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    hi I've been navigating through the Wikipedia and it's nearly impossible to find a page that may have been deleted it's a page on my theory of the expanding space time fabric beyond the background radiation I did it last year and somehow I can't find it anywhere I'd like to keep it and I'd like to post it because there is no information about a vacuum energy inside a super void past the background radiation to explain or counter the dark matter and dark energy theories so this is one of my first efforts and I'd really like to see this posted because of the it's possibly one of few explanations outside of dark energy and dark matter out there so please let me know where this article is and undeleted or not I'd like to see the text thank you PASCALVX1 (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @PASCALVX1: I can email you a copy of the page if you would like, but as it looks like it's just your theory and not supported by any reliable sources, it's not appropriate content for Wikipedia and you should not post it (or other original research) here in the future. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A version of your user page was deleted in November 2023. It is important to bear in mind that a user page is not a blog or a web host, and should contain only basic information about yourself.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dark mode issues

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    In dark mode, at {{Stabbing Westward}}, the actual link for Stabbing Westward is an extremely dark grey that is difficult to see on a black background. Also, when editing, anything that is NOT a link is grey text on a white background. It was not this way before. Does anyone know how to fix this? --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Grey text on white background when editing
    Black text on black background when viewing
    --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I use Wikipedia:Dark_mode_(gadget) and it looks differently for me. What do you use? Polygnotus (talk) 22:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    July 29

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    If I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad, I reach the iPad article. If I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ipad, I should be taken to the same place, and I should get a little (Redirected from Ipad) notice. However, this message is not appearing. It's as if the titles are identical, or as if titles aren't case-sensitive. The only way to get this message is to go to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ipad, by going to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPad&action=history, tweaking the URL, and clicking the "Article" tab.

    What's going on? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebay displays the "redirected from" notice, so it's probably not related to the first letter of the title being lowercased. It's not a single bad browser, because the same things happen in Edge and Chrome. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 04:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The first letter - only - is case insensitive. iPad and IPad are different ways to write links to the same page (the full article). Ipad and ipad are the same redirect to that article. ipAd is right out. —Cryptic 07:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have tested your link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ipad in Firefox, Edge, Chrome and Opera. All of them display "(Redirected from Ipad)" at the top as they should. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    hi im new to wikipedia

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    hello, i think i just created my first article for wikipedia, when i did it, i did it from the TALLER part, and i published it, does that mean i actually created the page? I dont know how i am supposed to know if i have to make changes or something? and i dont know how to start another article? Success Coach LIZ (talk) 06:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Success Coach LIZ: Well, "publish" just means that you saved the text and it's publicly visible, for those who happen to look there. But the curious thing is what's shown at Special:Contributions/Success Coach LIZ. The only "contributions" (that is, edits which you have saved) is Wikipedia:Help desk. To me, that means that you weren't logged in under the username of "Success Coach LIZ".
    Perhaps you published without having logged in, i.e. as an IP editor. Since we don't know your IP address and you didn't give the name of the article (never mind whether you saved it to "sandbox" or saved it under your "User" (e.g. your IP address), there's not much way to figure out what you've done. Ok, that's my take on it, maybe somebody else has better mindreading skills. Fabrickator (talk) 06:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i appreciate the guidance a lot! The article was about Ingeniera Elizabeth Coto Chinchilla, an industrial engineer recently discovered to have been the first woman in the field. I apologyze for not specifying the details before Success Coach LIZ (talk) 07:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In Costa Rica that is Success Coach LIZ (talk) 07:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Success Coach LIZ. This is the English Wikipedia. It looks as if your article was started on the Spanish Wikipedia here. Once your article there is ready, you'll want to move it from your user space to the main (Principal) space. gobonobo + c 07:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is so confusing to me! Crazy new world! Any video links i can watch.to.get.it done? Much appreciated Success Coach LIZ (talk) 08:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Success Coach LIZ: I don't know about video links. If you go to your draft article, you may be able to select 'Trasladar' from the right hand menu. Then change the new title to Elizabeth Coto Chinchilla and set the prefix to (Principal). Otherwise, there are instructions for creating a new page at Ayuda:Cómo empezar una página or you could ask for help at the Café. gobonobo + c 08:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Success Coach LIZ You may find something you like here: Category:Wikipedia video tutorials. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you tried to create that article on English Wikipedia (even in English) it would have no chance of being accepted, because it has no citations to independent sources. Furthermore, it appears to be an autobiography, which is strongly discouraged here.
    Spanish Wikipedia may have different policies, but I doubt whether they are different enough to make that CV acceptable. ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i wish i was so successful with that career, but no, unfortunately this is not me. It is a publick figure in Costa Rica. But thanks! On the other hand, i certainly am not over 60 and plan to stay young for much longer hahhahah, However in your answer i did not see any recommendations about WHERE i can check if the page is online or not? or how long does it take to be online? thanks Success Coach LIZ (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is 'online' in the sense that it can be linked to on the internet (as Gobonobo has above), but it is not a (Spanish) Wikipedia Article that could be found by someone googling (for example). In its current form it will never become an article, and anyway it has not been submitted for approval (to become an article) because it lacks the template to do so.
    (1) You have created it on your (Spanish) User page. Such a page is for saying something about yourself as a Wikipedia editor, not for creating Drafts of articles: on English Wikipedia it would be deleted quite quickly. (Note that each language version of Wikipedia is independent of any other, and each one has its own rules, so I'm guessing about exactly what might be required on Spanish-language Wikipedia.) You will need to move it to a Draft or Sandbox page (or have someone do this for you).
    (2) It has no references whatsoever. Everything in a Wikipedia article needs to be cited to a source so that readers can verify that what is written is corroborated by published material, not someone's private knowledge (or invention).
    (3) To qualify, an article has to demonstrate the subject's notability, in Wikipedia's special jargon use of that term. To do so it needs to be based on at least three pieces of substantial length about (not by) the subject, that have been published by Reliable sources that are completely independent of the subject.
    You have probably made the frequent newcomer's error of writing this piece WP:Backwards, saying what you personally know and then perhaps hoping to add references to confirm it all. This is like trying to build a house from the chimney down, finishing with the foundations: it's very difficult and rarely works!
    Instead, you should gather published, independent Reliable sources (at least three to show Notability, but as many more as you can find), and create a Draft entirely based on summaries of what they say. Very minor and uncontentious facts only can be cited to non-independent sources. Wikipedia, as a Tertiary source, cannot use unpublished facts/personal knowledge, which amounts to Original research and is strictly disallowed.
    Incidentally (and I am assuming this does not apply to you), writing an article about someone you have personal connections to is very much frowned upon (and about ones-self, even more so) because this creates a Conflict of interest and because it is very difficult for such a writer to maintain the WP:Neutral point of view that Wikipedia requires.
    Once you have created a likely acceptable Draft, preferably by going through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation route, you will be able to submit it for approval (because it will have a button to do this). It may well be 'Declined' (most first drafts are) with comments by the reviewer explaining what aspects of it need to be improved: it may have to go through several rounds of this before finally gaining approval. It might also be 'Rejected', meaning "this subject will never qualify as notable, so please give up", but from what I can tell (I cannot actually read Spanish) your subject is likely to be thought potentially notable.
    This may all seem difficult, but Wikipedia is not Social media, or a Directory, it is an Encyclopaedia (or rather a collection of encyclopaedias in in many languages) and has to maintain encyclopaedic standards. I hope all this helps. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Everything that 94.2.67.235 has written above is accurate, and I would like to add that this page may be helpful for you: es:Ayuda:Tutorial (referencias) Reconrabbit 18:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Acceptable to cite a source that is behind a paywall?

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    Hi, I'm currently editing the article for Tanjong Katong MRT Station and I have a good source for the process of constructing the station. However, the article is locked behind a subscription paywall? Is it still acceptable to cite it as a source? Imbluey2 (talk) 08:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Being behind a paywall doesn't disqualify it. 126.161.68.51 (talk) 08:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But it does annoy the hell out of some of us. HiLo48 (talk) 08:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Haha thank you so much both of you! Imbluey2 (talk) 08:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Imbluey2 as long as a source passes WP:RS and verifiable to other users having access then no issues with paywall (see WP:PAYWALL).
    Usually in doubt you approach WP:RSN for such guidance. As per WP:RSNP, seems, as long as news is Singapore non-political no issues with The Straits Times - but whenever political nature take guidance from WP:RSN.
    Wikipedians can request help in access to paywalled content for updating wikipedia or verification at WP:REREQ
    @HiLo48 Wikipedians can request verification help along with WP:REREQ also at WT:REFCHECK.
    My view may have been tainted by the fact that I'm in Australia, and most paywalled sources we see are from Murdoch's NewsCorp. They are rarely truthful or objective. HiLo48 (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald are paywalled, and not owned by Murdoch. Are they the reasons you say "most" instead of "all"? 123.51.107.94 (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sadly The Age and SMH Are now part of the right wing Nine Entertainment conglomerate. It's as if there's a correlation between being right wing and being paywalled.HiLo48 (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Happy editing Bookku (talk) 08:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    When will this page be released please？

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    When will this page be released please？Draft:Tang Yihe Yhhwz (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Never, if you do not submit it for review. I have added a header which allows you to do so.
    Note that a review may take anything from hours to months: there is not a queue, and volunteer reviewers choose which drafts they will review. ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yhhwz, is there some reason this needs to be hurried? I would note that the article itself is probably not going to be accepted as it is now. See WP:TONE/WP:NPOV regarding writing style. For the subject, see WP:ARTIST to help determine if this person should have an article at all (if so, more about the "notable" aspects needs to be added). Before you continue, I recommend answering this specific question: "do you have a conflict of interest...some real-world connection to this subject?" DMacks (talk) 03:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm having trouble imagining what sort of conflict of interest someone could have regarding an artist who died in 1944. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DMacks Yhhwz published the article in January and it was moved to draft by another editor as it needed improvement. They were warned recently that the draft would be deleted if it was inactive for 6 months, so it is a good thing that they are asking questions and getting advice. TSventon (talk) 03:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Gerry Adams

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    An error in the article about Gerry Adams (IRA). It says that the oireachtas is the parliament of Ireland. It is not. It is the parliament of the Republuc Of Ireland. Stormount is the parliament of Northern Ireland and the House Of Commons is the parluament of the UK which includes Northern Ireland. How do I report this error so that it gets corrected? 80.233.75.226 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I've changed it in this edit as it is more accurate. The Constitution of Ireland has jurisdiction only in the Republic of Ireland.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Craigslist

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    How do I talk to someone at craigslist 2601:200:4300:3920:D93A:D9F4:51E9:DD5A (talk) 21:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Via some method available on its website, I suppose. (It's unrelated to Wikipedia, which is where you are now.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    July 30

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    User WP template data

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    Some templates that use User WP, such as User WP Computing and User WP Politics, don't have any of the template parameter values on that page. Others, like User WP Ancient Egypt, do.

    Where are the TemplateData values stored for those former templates? Tule-hog (talk) 01:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    There is a specific context to my question, but I am also just interested. Tule-hog (talk) 01:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tule-hog, it's not quite clear what you're asking about – none of these templates have TemplateData, but all of them document their available parameters. Rummskartoffel 17:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hm, perhaps I'm using the terminology wrong.
    To give a specific example, notice how Computing and Politics do not have the file name for their photo included on the main template. I am wondering where that data is. Tule-hog (talk) 17:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I suspect you are referring to the Template documentation. Ideally, whoever implements a template will write the documentation, listing and explaining all the available arguments; but that doesn't always happen.
    All those templates are instantiations of Template:User WP, which does document several arguments (no idea whether the documentation is complete). ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am referring to the raw source code of Template:User WP Computing and Template:User WP Politics (and similar), i.e. what shows up after clicking 'edit source'.
    I understand that Template:User WP has arguments, which I was able to use easily here. However, the first two templates linked do not have argument parameters in their source code. I am wondering where those are. Tule-hog (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    {{User WP Computing}} calls {{User WP}} with computing as its first positional parameter. {{User WP}} calls {{User WP/switch}} where computing is not found so the template invokes Module:Portal. In the data modules supporting Module:Portal, computing is found to be an alias of information technology at line 187; the image for information technology is specified at line 69. Politics is not aliased; its image is specified line 74.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for. A potential extension to this question would be where the category is stored - currently there is a stray category in the raw source of {{User WP Computing}} that is not properly affected by the nocat= parameter. Tule-hog (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not going to spend any more time on this except to note the difference between these two lines from {{User WP}}: 
    |usercategory = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User|{{{ucat|{{User WP/switch|{{{1}}}|ucat}}}}}}}
|usercategory2 = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User|{{User WP/switch|{{{1}}}|ucat2}}}}
    I'm not really sure what the intent is here. I'll leave it to someone else to noodle out.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to view my XfD record

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    Hello! I'm an experienced editor around here, but I have a question about how to access a tool I've seen in the past.

    In past RfAs I've looked through, I sometimes notice people bringing up the nominee's XfD record (that is, whether they generally align with the consensus on whether or not to delete). How can I see my own XfD voting record?

    Thanks in advance! BhamBoi (talk) 02:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This may be the tool you are looking for: [[4]] Netherzone (talk) 02:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, that's what I was looking for, and wow, my stats aren't too good! Guess that's my inclusionist side coming through.
    Thanks for the link, Netherzone. BhamBoi (talk) 03:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Just a question: @BhamBoi: in what way did you decide your stats "aren't too good"? I appreciate you were probably joking but I can't tell what kind of stats you think would be "bad" or "good" in such a case. When I was active on AfD (years ago) I'd often only step-in and comment where my opinion was in conflict with the developing consensus. And it's not wrong to have such an opinion even if the close doesn't go your way. I couldn't see that I was bringing much to the party if I was just piling-on a consensus which had already formed - but equally struggle to see why someone should be criticised if they did. AndyJones (talk) 12:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I was mostly just kidding, I just noticed that I generally err from what the consensus is; as you said, I tend to step in more when I think I have a shot at providing evidence to "save" the article. But I'm not sure how a record that doesn't generally align with agreeing with consensus would be viewed within the community at large... BhamBoi (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BhamBoi, if you are interested in "saving" articles, another way to do that is to improve the article if you can find independent, secondary reliable sources to help establish notability and add those to articles. Non-notable subjects should be deleted, but if an article can be improved based on verifiable sources, it helps improve the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 15:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I’m aware, I’m just a really strong inclusionist which doesn’t seem to be a very mainstream sentiment. BhamBoi (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    User scripts

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    Hi, I heard that some user scripts can be used to automatically generate articles. Which ones are those? How do I use them? Ogundareibrahim123 (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    There are automatic scripts, sometimes known as "wizards". But they only do the routine stuff. A human user still has to do the hard work of finding acceptable sources and summarising what they say. Maproom (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    New draft content submitted for approval - subject: Kirill Richter

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    I have submitted draft content for review. Please can you confirm receipt? Here it is for reference.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kirill_Richter Allthecats1 (talk) 11:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This isn't currently submitted for review, and it is nowhere near suitability as an article because it is poorly written and sourced. See your first article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Woodbridge High School

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    Woodbridge High School in Woodford, London used to have its own page, however it appears to have disappeared (it now just has a circular link to the page about Woodford) and I was wondering why? The other local schools all have pages. Reapingmd (talk) 12:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This was redirected in May 2024 as it did seem to have problems with WP:NSCHOOL. It isn't possible to guarantee that every school can have a separate article unless there is significant sourcing.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Reapingmd, AlphaBetaGamma did away with it, largely because very little of what it said came with references to reliable sources independent of the school itself, and this didn't seem likely to be much improved. -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless those other local schools have been independently written about, it's quite likely that their articles should also be deleted (or turned into redirects). Wikipedia has thousands and thousands of articles which shouldn't exist in their current form, and many of them shouldn't exist at all (because their subjects are not notable in Wikipedia's special sense). But this being a volunteer project, people don't often go through these and improve or delete them. See other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reverting a reverting edit

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    Because of edit wars, I can't revert removal of an articles content, what should I do? If you need the page, it's Leron, Leron Sinta. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    On Talk:Leron, Leron Sinta, propose the restitution of this content. -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it correct? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean the proposal. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The proposal, Talk:Leron, Leron Sinta#Per WP:HD, probably should have been more explicit about what revisions you want to undo or otherwise the text you wish to add/remove.
    For the content itself, it appears the editor that reverted you has been blocked for "indiscriminate mass reverting", so I think you're in the clear for restoring any or all of the content they removed/changed without worries about edit warring at this point (if there are additional reverts, perhaps let other editors revert them first and then continue your work expanding the article) (and their warning against you as clearly not in good faith). (I would have reverted their unexplained content removal if it was still technically possible to do a clean revert.) Skynxnex (talk) 13:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    to install a software

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    attain: CAN SOMEONE HELP ME TO INSTALL my Microsoftware? I tried several ways and it is asking to buy one, I already bought it and it doesn't allow me to install it, pleas can someone help me? THANKS 2607:FEA8:581F:E700:9C69:B13A:46E:335F (talk) 13:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry, this isn't a general help desk. I would suggest contacting Microsoft for assistance with their software. 331dot (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    What is the law of apartheid

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    Laws during apartheid In 1948 and 1960 41.121.59.8 (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Your question is probably better suited to the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ... or see Apartheid.   Maproom (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    kml template

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    Just to mention that Template:kml isn't working. The issue has been pointed out on Template talk:GeoGroup but has not been picked up and I'm not sure where the issue lies or who is responsible for looking into it. Shantavira|feed me 18:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    wikipedia funding

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    Don't the state department and nsa and CIA etc etc deep state contribute and or censor content on here? I think thats pretty well established by anyone who isn't a numb nut. So why don't you hit them up for funding like meta/ facebook or alphabet/ google. 100.37.166.201 (talk) 20:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia editors are not involved with fundraising. That is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation. Anyone can edit Wikipedia as long as they follow our policies and guidelines. Wikipedia is not censored. Cullen328 (talk) 20:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dump Sorting

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    Hi, I am wondering if there is a way to download a wikipedia file for all featured articles, another for a-class articles, another for b-class, and so on. I’m not exactly talking about sorting while in a wikipedia dump, though if that is the only option, I could use help navigating that process as well. I would like to have the differentiated files for the b-class and above as an archive and the c-class and below as an easier way for myself to use to see what articles need the most work and to help edit. Thanks. MiniMikeRM (talk) 22:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi MiniMikeRM! Are you interested in downloading a list of the articles (maybe each as a link for easy access to read and edit each) or downloading the actual articles themselves? Both are doable, former probably easier than the latter (and maybe even easier to have it on-wiki?). DMacks (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MiniMikeRM One relatively simple way to start would be to look at the maintenance (hidden) category Category:Featured articles from where you would have various download options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    July 31

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    Recent Columbus, Ohio, Monorail proposals

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    so, I am wondering how I should go about editing an article about the transportation history of Columbus, Ohio, to include a group known as Greater Central Ohio Public Transit Project and their goals of seeing Monorail brought back as a consideration for the mass transit in the city. Their group exists on facebook only, however there was at one point a letter to the editor article written to the Columbus Dispatch by who appears to be the group founder. The current only way to access that particular article is through the Columbus Library system, however, so such link does not seem proper for the edit to the article. I tried editing the article but was only able to include the link to their official Facebook group, is that enough in this case? General Greenstar (talk) 00:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    General Greenstar, for an article to be written about a subject, en:Wikipedia requires that the subject should be notable. It provides criteria for this. It's not necessary that every ingredient of an article is notable; however, there is an expectation that an ingredient isn't merely trivial. Now, the Greater Central Ohio Public Transit Project has an imposing name (and one that suggests worthy aims); however if (i) the GCOPTP "exists on facebook only" and (ii) you feel the need to point out that a person "who appears to be the group founder" at one point wrote a letter to the editor of Columbus Dispatch, I sense that showing that it rises above the trivial would require some desperate barrel-scraping. -- Hoary (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mass-linking inside articles

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    Hello! I've been trying to add wikilinks towards the article Highly Cited Researcher inside articles of researchers included in the program. I have been using FindLink, but adding the backlink to every article in the list is tedious.

    Could someone automate something that links Highly Cited Researcher or highly cited researcher in all articles where it is not already wikilinked? BhamBoi (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    There appear to be at least two competing programmes, the ISI highly cited researcher and the Clarivate Highly Cited Researchers program, so using a bot would not be a good idea. TSventon (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They are the same. A link to either is fine, though it's a redirect to a section, when the direct link to the Highly Cited Researchers program would be better. Thus, if the text "highly cited researcher" in an article is unlinked, it should be linked to one of these. BhamBoi (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Help with Template:Collapse_top

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    When setting width to less than 100%, the box always aligns to the center. float=left doesn't work. Pls change it.
    So I'm trying to do this in an html table instead:

    but my problem is that the header size isn't expanded to full width (from the beginning). If anyone could help me, I would appreciate. Emdosis (talk) 01:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Emdosis: From what I can see {{Collapse top}} does not have a "float" parameter. Can you please clarify what you are asking? RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Information box

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    How to create infoboxes in wikipedia? Thank you . Junurita (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Junurita, start at Help:Infobox. -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Junurita For many topics, infoboxes already exist and it is unlikely that you, as a newcomer, will need to create one from scratch. You just need to learn how to fill out the parameters in an existing one. Your recent-created new article at ethyl copper had a Chembox added by another editor. That's the standard infobox for chemicals. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia page about a person/ persons

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    I have a few ideas to write about a few persons and their lives. Anil V Gokhale (talk) 09:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Great, thanks for wanting to contribute. Writing a new article can be challenging, I would suggest first getting some experience by editing existing articles and using the new user tutorial. If you still want to dive right in to creating articles, you should use the article wizard to create and submit a draft. Make sure you have gathered independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the person you want to write about, sources that are not interviews/press releases/the like. You will also need to determine if the person is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Anil V Gokhale, adding to the above, see WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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