Talk:Common eland

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January 8, 2011	Peer review	Reviewed
September 28, 2011	Good article nominee	Not listed
May 11, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
April 2, 2012	Peer review	Reviewed
June 5, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
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Subfamily

I think an error occurred: the subfamily of common Eland is not "Bovinae" but "Antilopinae". I'm going to correct it.
--Suhardian 20:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Taxonomic Information System, American Society of Mammalogists Index for the Mammalian Species and [1] classify eland in subfamily Bovinae. I Have reverted it back to Bovinae. -- Rooivalk 05:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

upto 3,5 m tall. The second tallest land animal then? Herds of upto 400? whos writing this?

These pages seem to agree, although the 3.5m figure does seem too high. I've adjusted it. [2] [3] [4]. Lunkwill 09:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific Name

Should the scientific name be amended to Tragelaphus not Taurotragus? IUCN use Tragelaphus and has the note: The genus Taurotragus, in which the Common Eland and the Giant Eland, T. derbianus, are sometimes included, is here included in the genus Tragelaphus, in accordance with recent genetic evidence and classifications (see Kingdon in press for summary). Three subspecies of Common Eland have been recognized, although their validity requires investigation (Thouless in press). ^[1] Adelophryne (talk) 09:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adelophryne Thanks for your suggestion. I have observed that Taurotragus is the commoner name, and the article already mentions that Tragelaphus is often used. It can not be really changed till we are completely sure. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 12:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/22055/0

Life span

How long does it live? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnw222 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It lives for 15-20 years generally, and some are recorded to be living for even 25 years. I've expanded this article and mentioned this fact about life span in the 'Description' section too. Thanks.--Sainsf<^> (talk) 14:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uses

I don't think it is appropriate to call the Israel Defense Forces "Israel Occupation Army", even though it is called so in the source. --JewBask (talk) 03:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed that part. I don't think its source is so good to trust. --Sainsf <^> (talk) 01:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are continuing statement about uses of eland that simply are not true, specifically exaggerating their domestication and use as dairy animals. The sources for this, when they are even cited, are circular or even incestuous, as if someone got something from a bad earlier version of this article, put it on their webpage, and then later it got fed back into Wikipedia. There were experiments in Russia in the 60s or 70s, but that's it. https://journals.co.za/doi/pdf/10.10520/AJA00382353_9710 Seeing this here is bizarre, and I'm not sure exactly what modifications would be made to the article to demonstrate the negative of something that never should have made its way to an article.

Page move?

Shouldn't this page be moved to Common eland, lower case "e"? Unless I'm missing something, that seems to be the implication of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna)#Capitalisation and italicisation. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 13:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have always thought of moving the article. After all, the whole article should have the 'e' either lower case or higher case, the former being more appropriate.--Sainsf <^> (talk) 11:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: already moved to Common eland by Topbanana. Uncontroversial like so many recent mammal renamings. Favonian (talk) 15:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Common Eland → Common eland – The 'e' in the Common Eland need not be capital anyhow. The lower case is much appropriate. But there is a redirect page, Common eland, that is causing problem. --Sainsf <^> (talk) 09:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:FNAME. Jenks24 (talk) 00:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:MAMMAL guidelines. Jack (talk) 09:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Size information inconsistent

The size and weight information in the lead is not entirely consistent with that at Common eland#Physical description. I would suggest that the lead be changed to give a less precise set of ranges consistent with the later information. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:37, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I have fixed it. I think it is consistent now.--Sainsf <^> (talk) 12:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Stemonitis (talk · contribs · count) 17:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of good material here, but I'm afraid there are too many problems for this to pass as a Good Article at the moment. Since it will take quite a lot of effort to fix, I'm failing the article straight away, but I hope you will not be disheartened and will renominate it at some point in the future once the issues have been addressed. To help in that effort, here are some things that should be improved:

A small thing to begin with. The article covers a (South) African topic, and should be written in the appropriate dialect of English, which is probably South African English (≈ BrE). Instead of writing "grayer color" for instance, it should be "greyer colour". Instead of "moose", use "elk" (as ref. 12 does).

Disambiguate dominance, juveniles, Nyika, Omo, plains and territory.

The taxonomy section needs more detail. It doesn't mention Peter Simon Pallas, and it doesn't name the subspecies, let alone describe their distributions or phenotypic differences.

Link the national parks directly – most of them have articles (Kruger National Park, Kagera National Park, etc.).

A bigger problem is with the sourcing. Quite a lot of the article is currently unsourced. Quite a lot of the sources that are used are not particularly reliable. Is this (refs. 2 and 3) really the best source for the Latin name? It certainly doesn't say anything about the synonymy. They are all formatted rather oddly, which makes it difficult to see which are authoritative and which are not. Ref. 12, for instance, is a very good source, and should be used much more. If the items in the Bibliography are sources, they should be cited inline.

Finally, there are problems of plagiarism or close paraphrasing, which is unacceptable. This sentence, for instance, is reproduced verbatim from reference 14, including the badly-formatted units: "Like its distant gazelle and oryx relatives, the eland can conserve water by raising its body temperature as much as 7° Celsius (13.5° Fahrenheit) on hot days." I only checked that citation in particular because that claim seemed so unlikely. I then saw that a few other parts of that source had been copied or altered very little.

Given all that, I had no choice but to fail the article. Sorry. --Stemonitis (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Oakley77 (talk · contribs) 02:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	As far as animal articles go, this one is good for this criteria	✓ Pass
(b) (MoS)	Passes here	✓ Pass

Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	All refs are acceptable, useful, and pass.	✓ Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	All citations in article are reliable	✓ Pass
(c) (original research)	Yes, it appears so	✓ Pass

Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Follows textbook form for organism articles, and covers vital points well.	✓ Pass
(b) (focused)	Indeed.	✓ Pass

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
Neutral defines this article.	✓ Pass

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
No edits disputes, wars, or conflicts	✓ Pass

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	Creative and applicable image usage.	✓ Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	Adheres to this category.	✓ Pass

Result

Result	Notes
✓ Pass	All in all, this article has the stuff to be a GA!

Oakley77 (talk) 02:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Please add any related discussion here. Oakley77 (talk) 02:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC) This a well- done article, so I will go ahead and make it a GA!Oakley77 (talk) 02:59, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

With all due respect to the nominator and the reviewer (of GA2) who have made this a well-written article, I see some problems here esp. in the references. Not all of them are templated/done in the same way, and some of them are not to reliable sources. References 3, 4, and 5 are not to a reliable source; surely there are better sources for these etymologies. The citation for ref 7 is incomplete, and ditto for 10 (besides, Oracle Thinkquest is NOT a reliable source). I corrected an error in the template for 16 (and put the notes in the proper order). Note 17 cites a chapter, but the inclusive page numbers aren't given (and it has pp. for a single page). This was a good reason to not pass it as a GA; if these errors are corrected and more, better sources are found, it can maintain GA status. Sorry, but them's the shakes. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I have fixed these errors and added good references for the etymology. --Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MSW3 online

Is there a reason why FN16 (ref name = wilson) only references the printed version, when there's a much more accessible online version here? The usual way to reference it would be {{MSW3 Artiodactyla | id = 14200717 | page = 696–7}}, giving:

Grubb, P. (2005). "Order Artiodactyla". In Wilson, D.E.; Reeder, D.M (eds.). Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference (3rd ed.). Johns Hopkins University Press. p. 696–7. ISBN 978-0-8018-8221-0. OCLC 62265494.

--Stfg (talk) 13:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I have put that reference. Thanks for your help! --Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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