Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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XFD backlog

V	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Total
CfD	0	0	25	0	25
TfD	0	1	1	0	2
MfD	0	0	6	0	6
FfD	0	0	2	0	2
RfD	0	0	70	0	70
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page

What not to propose for discussion here

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates

Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.

Userboxes

Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.

Speedy deletion candidates

If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.

Policy or guideline templates

Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.

Template redirects

List at Redirects for discussion.

Moving and renaming

Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step	Instructions
I: Tag the template.	Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page: For deletion: {{subst:Tfd}} For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{subst:Tfd|type=sidebar}} For deletion of an inline template: {{subst:Tfd|type=inline}} For deletion of a module: {{subst:Tfd|type=module|page=name of module}} at the top of the module's /doc subpage. For merging: {{subst:Tfm|name of other template}} For merging an inline template: {{subst:Tfm|type=inline|name of other template}} Other values for |type= are available, see Template:Template for discussion#Display on articles Note: If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template. If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors. For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template. Do not mark the edit as minor. Use an edit summary like Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]] or Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]. Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly. Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.) TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page: /* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_September_8#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD.	Follow this link to edit today's TfD log. Add this text to the top of the list: For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}} For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the |text= before the why (or alternatively, after the }} of the Tfd2/Catfd2). Use an edit summary such as Adding [[Template:template name]]. Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1. If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1. Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale: {{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users.	Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following: For deletion: {{subst:Tfd notice|template name}} ~~~~ For merging: {{subst:Tfm notice|template name|other template's name}} ~~~~ to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that. Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

September 8

Cbeam, Hbeam, Lbeam, Tbeam character-substitution templates

• Template:Cbeam (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Hbeam (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Lbeam (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Tbeam (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These templates appear to exist only to stylize text about C-beams, H-beams, L-beams, and T-beams (all structural beams, like steel I-beams) similar to how {{Ibeam}} had (previously, before my edits) stylized capital 'I' with <span style="font:courier,serif;" font-weight: 900; font-size:140%>I</span>, causing line-height issues, and obvious over-emphasis for what should be a descriptive name. E.g., see 'Glossary of shapes with metaphorical names' prior to my edits, c.f. current Glossary of shapes with metaphorical names).

The {{Ibeam}} template is necessary because the term 'I-beam' is self-descriptive only when 'I' has serifs. But such heavy-handed formatting of C-/H-/L-/T-beam to match the old version of {{Ibeam}} is completely unnecessary.

I have eliminated all uses of {{Cbeam}}, {{Hbeam}}, {{Lbeam}}, {{Tbeam}} from the few (and very inconsistent) places it had been used. Now that {{Ibeam}} uses "Ɪ" (Unicode U+A7AE 'LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SMALL CAPITAL I'), the span/font formatting stuff is completely unnecessary, and formatting the C/H/L/T beams is also unnecessary.  — sbb (talk) 17:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Dutch candidate lists for European Parliament elections

• Template:Dutch candidate lists for European Parliament elections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Candidate lists in elections in the Netherlands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Dutch candidate lists for European Parliament elections with Template:Candidate lists in elections in the Netherlands.
The current template mostly links to sections instead of the pages, which is a bit much. Given that there are now also lists for general elections, I believe it is better to have one template that shows all (notable) candidate lists, without linking to the specific sections. Dajasj (talk) 08:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Neutral Would you not get a very big template then? The Banner talk 11:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Mwah, in the short term Template:Candidate lists in elections in the Netherlands won't get bigger than this (it's not easy to get the information from the source). And there are no more EP elections other than I've already included in the template. If you compare the height of the target template with Template:Dutch candidate lists for European Parliament elections, it's a big simplification and a smaller template. Dajasj (talk) 11:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Support: Per nomination, not necessary to link all separate party lists, since they are all on the same page. (and for those interested in EP party lists across years for a particular party, these exists already) Without link for all individual parties, there is no need for a separate template for European Parliament elections. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I noticed that the template is also already covered by Template:European Parliament, (Netherlands).. Dajasj (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Interesting to see that Template:Dutch candidate lists for European Parliament elections and Template:European Parliament, (Netherlands) are both from 2017, while Template:Candidate lists in elections in the Netherlands is more recent. Is merging older templates into a recent one really necessary? The Banner talk 22:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I am open to other suggestions where the resulting format is that of the most recent one and the title of the template matches that format. Dajasj (talk) 06:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Template:Dutch candidate lists for European Parliament elections entirely in favor of Template:European Parliament, (Netherlands). I think the other merge doesn't make sense. Izno (talk) 16:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  Do you mean that linking to EP electoral lists in the first template does not make any sense? Dajasj (talk) 09:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Mainly to get opinions on these templates with respect to {{European Parliament, (Netherlands)}}
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 14:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Fruit stall sign

• Template:Fruit stall sign (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Image deleted so template produces nothing. If this can be fixed, then add a new image, otherwise delete as empty template. Gonnym (talk) 12:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:ClockBlock

• Template:ClockBlock (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I know that this is (supposed to be) humorous, but the user pages of users who are not blocked should not have templates saying that they are blocked. This is disruptive to the work of patrollers, etc, who are checking such user pages. It contributes nothing to the making or maintenance of an encyclopedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions of Eritrea

• Template:Diplomatic missions of Eritrea (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only has 2 blue links, one of which is up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 04:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Events at the 2021 Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games

• Template:Events at the 2021 Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This navbox only contains one redlink and two redirects in the body. Cherry Cotton Candy (talk) 02:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Su2

• Template:Su2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Transclusionless duplicate of {{su}}. Not a plausible search term, so we shouldn't create a redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

September 7

Template:Terry Blade

• Template:Terry Blade (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This navbox template only has three articles (the musician, an album, and one song) with all other links redirecting via piped links to one of those three, so aid to navigation isn't particularly helpful as is. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi - Thought navbox would be helpful as I read Wikipedia:EXISTING to permit redirects when they "represent a distinct sub-topic of an article rather than simply being an alternative name." Since the song redirects are to distinct subsections of an article covering the corresponding song, would ask to keep, but will go with the consensus on this and do better in the future. Roberteditor (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  Please consider that the explanatory essay Wikipedia:EXISTING references editing guideline WP:NAVNORREDIRECT which reads that "where a redirect represents a distinct sub-topic within a larger article and is not merely a variant name, it is preferable to leave the redirect in the template." Likewise, the next section WP:SELFRED reads "linking to a title that redirects to a section or anchor within the article (redirects with {{R to section}} or {{R to anchor}}) is acceptable, as it facilitates navigation in particular on long articles that cannot be viewed all at once on an average-sized computer screen." Music-cadence (talk) 06:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

navbox updated to now link to four articles instead of three Music-cadence (talk) 01:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but it is a long-running standard to have most links to be articles, not subsections of articles. The links in the related section have no direct relation to the subject. The template still meets the merits of deletion. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The redirects have been removed. Music-cadence (talk) 18:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep. While the redirects have been removed in an effort to compromise, I don't think they needed to be removed based on Wikipedia:EXISTING, WP:NAVNORREDIRECT, or WP:SELFRED. Also, I'm not sure that simply using the term "long-running standard" (without more) is enough to satisfy the merits of deletion. Per Wikipedia:Deletion review, "Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of policies and guidelines...Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome."

So far, I haven't seen any specific policies or guidelines referenced that either dispute or refute Wikipedia:EXISTING, or the guidelines of WP:NAVNORREDIRECT and WP:SELFRED. Nor have I seen "a local consensus" develop to suspend the referenced guidelines in this particular case as permitted by Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators#Rough consensus. Per Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Behavior, "[p]olicies and guidelines reflect widespread community consensus." Since the current guidelines permit redirects to subsections of articles, and since "guidelines reflect widespread community consensus," the template should not have been nominated for deletion, and at least some of the previous redirects should be restored.

Even with the subsection redirects gone, the navbox links to four articles, which should make it more useful as User:Hurricanehink noted directly below in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Template:Hurricane Isaac (2012) series, when the user wrote "[t]he template previously linked four articles, making it more useful..." Music-cadence (talk) 19:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

We don't count the article title of the navbox. It's more about the links body of the template that matters. So far there are only three and not enough for navigation. WP:NENAN is an essay and has been used as a long-running standard and basis for deletion of navboxes with a small number of links. This isn't going to change. And frankly, there should be enough articles before creating a navbox. There aren't enough at this time for having this navbox. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Image template notice1

• Template:Image template notice1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:File template notice (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Image template notice1 with Template:File template notice.
Both of these templates do the same thing, except that {{Image template notice1}} requires a second unnamed parameter but {{File template notice}} has no such parameter. We can make use of {{#if}} to combine the two templates. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Merge. Same purpose, the only difference is whether to show {{example template}} or {{example template|with a parameter}}. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Family Radio

• Template:Family Radio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The overwhelming number of links are merely redirects to the network's article, making the navbox violate WP:EXISTING, and making it hinder rather than help a reader's attempts at navigating Wikipedia. There is already a category for Family Radio stations, that provides easier navigation, as the redirects are italicized. The radio stations whose call signs redirect to the network's article are not independently notable and should not become articles. Tdl1060 (talk) 18:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• I've removed the redirects. There are sufficient numbers of links for a navbox. ​ Izno (talk) 21:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Are there sufficient numbers of links for a navbox?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Santeros de Aguada current roster

• Template:Santeros de Aguada current roster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Basically empty, unused, and out of date team roster navbox. The current roster is maintained at Santeros de Aguada. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Just import the roster from the article page into this and link on players articles. There is enough and the roster on the article is up to date as of August 2024. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  Delete as non-maintained, out-out-date template. It isn't the nom's job to "fix" unused, barely used or could-be-used templates. If an editor wishes to do so, they could. Ideally, it should be the actual creator of the template. If no one cares to update it in the 7 days this TfD ran, why would we believe anyone would update this on a regular bases? That's part of a problem with "current" templates. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Fbu2

• Template:Fbu2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fbwu2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused templates that duplicate Template:Fbu/Template:Fbwu. The only difference is the age parameter is switched to the second unnamed parameter. For consistency we should only be using one consistent parameter formatting for these templates. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Fbf

• Template:Fbf (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is a duplicate of Template:Fba. Note that the parameter |short=y on {{fbf}} is equivalent to |name=code on {{fba}}. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• {{fba}} seems to prevent wrapping of text (specifically between the flag and code), which causes display issues in the articles that use {{fbf}}. This needs to be resolved before fbf can be replaced. SounderBruce 06:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

September 6

Template:Glasgow–Aberdeen line

• Template:Glasgow–Aberdeen line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused as its content was merged into Template:Dundee–Aberdeen line. Gonnym (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Spf

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Spf (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Except for a demonstration at Template talk:Sfn/Archive 4#Arbitrary break for the obligatory unchewed idea, this is a transclusionless broken template which does not seem to have caught on. I think we can safely <nowiki>...</nowiki> the use and delete the template. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Rationale equally applicable to {{spfref}}.

Since they never got documentation or were tried out in the use cases I intended them for, it's no big surprise they're unused: nobody knows about them. And since I'm rarely active on enWP currently they're unlikely to be fixed in the near term, so… Delete. But note that if I get back to editing here again I'll probably recreate both of them because they addressed a need (cf. the discussion linked above). But with docs and proper testing in that case. :) Xover (talk) 20:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Happy with that outcome. I have tagged {{spf}} for WP:G7; are you alright to do the same with {{spfref}}? (And I have no objections to recreation when they work :D). Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:BRF

• Template:BRF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This navbox is 90% redlinks or no links. It is only transcluded on one page (Operation Weak Meat) which is only tangentially related to BRF anyways. Pichpich (talk) 19:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:In"

• Template:In" (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:L' (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:L" (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:R' (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:R" (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:In' (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template exists only to help people violate MOS:CURLY: This template surrounds parameter text with two curly quote marks for users who cannot easily type the “curly” characters in place of the "straight" characters.. Update to use straight quotes, then subst, then delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Update: I have bundled multiple similar templates into this nomination following this discussion on my talk page (courtesy ping Gonnym). The same deletion rationale applies to all of them. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. As nom said, these go against the MoS which says to use non-curly characters. Gonnym (talk) 20:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment as creator: None of these should be active in mainspace. They were actually created to see how possible it would be to change MOS:CURLY and theoretically support users into using curly quotes if consensus ever changed on that, but I never advertised them, and so never bothered to add guidance not to use them in mainspace. If you want to enforce MOS:CURLY in userspace or elsewhere, that seems like a different prerogative. If you want to delete them as unused, that’s fine—most of them are probably unused even in userspace.

Just from memory, {{in"}} and {{in'}} were also attempts to create nicely-spacing whole-purpose templates to supplant the need for {{"'}} and similar. I could see those being useful if converted to straight quotes, but that’s still a pretty niche use case. Either way, editors might prefer to delete them, or that I move them to userspace or draft or whatever; none of which would offend me. — HTGS (talk) 23:28, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

They all have transclusions, and with the exception of {{L'}}, they are all being used in mainspace. (Click the "transclusions" link.) I am not sure how obfuscating easily-typable characters would be helpful, so I do not think converting them to use straight quotes is helpful. Therefore, I continue to think deletion is the best way forward. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh wild. I did not know that anyone had used them. You can understand why I wasn’t tracking such a thing. The point of converting in" and in' to straight quotes would be to aide in creating space between " and ', and to include those thin spaces, not to aide in typing the quote characters. The same point does not apply to the other templates. — HTGS (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I completely understand why you wouldn't be tracking this sort of thing :)

We have templates for the thin spaces purpose; see Template:Quotation mark templates. I would not object to redirecting the Ls and the Rs to the better-established versions, and I guess we could use some sort of "spanning" template. I think that satisfies everyone's concerns? Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete after replacing with straight quote marks or quotation mark spacing templates as needed. These are attractive nuisances that violate MOS:CURLY. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Image map

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• Template:Image map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, documentation, or categories. Unclear what this might be for. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95, it's supposed to be a soft redirect to the meta wiki, since most will not realize that's where the code is. In this march edit that was removed, making the template useless. I'd suggest restoring the original content and preserving it, but have no strong opinion. Aza24 (talk) 16:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. I'm OK with reverting that edit and keeping the redirect. Withdrawn. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Latest preview software release/WorldWideWeb

• Template:Latest preview software release/WorldWideWeb (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. No content for over ten years. Appears to no longer be useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions of Lesotho

• Template:Diplomatic missions of Lesotho (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with no links to relevant articles in the body. Not useful for navigation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete the 2 blue links are redirects, so this doesn't serve any purpose. LibStar (talk) 15:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Munger University

• Template:Munger University (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with one link in the body, which goes to the main article. Not useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Shiraz Metro navbox

• Template:Shiraz Metro navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox that is no longer useful after all links in the body were converted to redirects. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Sfnlinknb

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• Template:Sfnlinknb (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions almost a year after its creation. Appears to be a proposed template that was not adopted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Moved to user space.

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Template:Rugby League European Championship results

• Template:Rugby League European Championship results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No tranclusions. Appears to be article content with no template parameters and no documentation. Created in September 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Considering I don't think anyone has a clue what is going on with the Rugby League European Championship at the moment this temple is pretty redundant. Can always be remade if needed later. Delete. Mn1548 (talk) 17:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Purnea University

• Template:Purnea University (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with just one link in the body; the link goes to the main article. Not useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Persita Tangerang

• Template:Persita Tangerang (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused navbox with just two blue links to English Wikipedia articles in the body. Not currently useful for navigation among related articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 09:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:MolFormIndex-wrapper

• Template:MolFormIndex-wrapper (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Created 8 months ago and only used in the creator's sandbox and looks broken. If wanted, move to draft, or userpage, else delete. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Virat Kohli series

• Template:Virat Kohli series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not enough coverage for a Sidebar. Half of these articles are irrelevant to the topic. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 06:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions in Grenada

• Template:Diplomatic missions in Grenada (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No point of having a nav box with only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 04:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Z80

• Template:Z80 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Orphaned in mainspace, and future use seems unlikely: See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 October 14#Template:AY-3-8910. Subst and delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:ZZZ

• Template:ZZZ (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We don't need a template for every single emoticon under the sun. Subst this template's single use and delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Redundant to {{emoji|name=sleeping}} → – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

September 5

Template:Env

• Template:Env (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not seeing how this is a helpful template. It does two things. It lists all magic words, but we already have WP:MAGIC for that. It also shows what all magic words evaluate to on a given page, but that does not help anyone with anything. If you need to see what a given magic word evaluates to, you can just use that magic word directly (in preview, of course). Subst both uses and delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have this template watchlisted because I sometimes use it. As noted in the documentation, it is more useful on the preview screen (though mostly for the "Page" section and a simple time zone check) than for actually transcluding, so we wouldn't expect to see many uses in live edits. Dekimasuよ! 23:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Is there a reason previewing a specific magic word would be insufficient for those uses? Legitimate question; if this helps your workflow I am happy to withdraw this nomination. I just think that we should have some benefit before we create the need to maintain a separate list of WP:MAGIC words :D HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:TUGS-RfC

• Template:TUGS-RfC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

inactive project/taskforce, could be moved to a subpage of the taskforce or just deleted. Frietjes (talk) 19:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Just delete. There really is not added value to have project specific templates like this and only added burden to fix, clean, update them when needed (and there is always a need), instead of just one general notice template. Gonnym (talk) 10:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Van Wilder films

• Template:Van Wilder films (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{National Lampoon}}. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

WAFLW link templates

• Template:WAFLW Cla (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFLW EF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFLW PT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFLW SF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFLW Sub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFLW SD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These are link templates only with no special function, which are not sufficiently complex to merit a template. Suggest subst and delete. Izno (talk) 14:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep These, like a lot of similar useful shortcuts, are often used with the subst function, so you can't tell how often they are used. Why are you trying to make things harder for editors? The-Pope (talk) 15:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Templates which are so simple distract from learning wikitext: bare links are preferable in general so that pages are easy to update. I did not make an argument about how much they are used, but it's true, they aren't used very often. Izno (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I've said this before, if links for teams, groups, companies, games, etc., need a template, then why aren't we doing this for every other one that doesn't use a template? While this might seem silly, this is actually a core design philosophy here, either a template should be used for simple links, or plain links and redirects should be used. Looking at 2023 AFL Women's supplementary draft, Template:WAFLW Cla is used there manually, which means that someone took the time and instead of writing a clear link, used the template. This to me is very unhelpful as it makes reading the Wikitext harder. If these templates would have been used in automated way where code takes part of an article titles and from there uses it to find a template, then that would have been a different scenario, which this isn't it. TL/DR: less helpful than plain links with no real added value. Gonnym (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

In response to your first comment, there are templates like this for most Australian football teams. Maybe we are just lazy, and you think it's a worthwhile endeavour to punish us lazy people and force us to write out [[Claremont Football Club|Claremont]] instead of {{WAFLW Cla}} or {{subst:WAFLW Cla}} everytime. I just don't think you should be able to tell me how I should be editing. Shortcuts are good, especially on mobile. But I wouldn't be surprised if people like you now go and hunt out and try to delete all of the other shortcut templates because of very serious editor reasons. I would very much doubt that many people are reading wikitext without understanding how templates work. The-Pope (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I nominated the two batches I did with the intent to nominate all of them. I stopped because you raised objections about these batches, so we would not have to have the same discussion multiple times over with N batches instead of 2. "There are other ones" is not a defense of this set. Izno (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

"There are other ones" is in direct response to Gonnym's "why don't we do it for all" comment. We do do it for all in this topic space. But the "people like you will go and hunt them" was directed at you. Under WP:NPA I removed numerous adjectives from that sentence before posting. The-Pope (talk) 02:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• delete, obfuscates the wikitext with no significant benefit. Frietjes (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

WAFL link templates

• Template:WAFL CC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Cla (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL EF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL EP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Fre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Frm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Imp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL NF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL PT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Per (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Rov (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL SF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Sub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL SD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Uni (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL Vic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL VP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL WCE (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WAFL WP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These are link templates only with no special function, which are not sufficiently complex to merit a template. Suggest subst and delete. Izno (talk) 14:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep These, like a lot of similar useful shortcuts are often used with the subst function, so you can't tell how often they are used. Why are you trying to make things harder for editors? The-Pope (talk) 15:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Templates which are so simple distract from learning wikitext: bare links are preferable in general so that pages are easy to update. I did not make an argument about how much they are used, but it's true, they aren't used very often. Izno (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  That said, if it were true they were substed often, Template:WAFL EP wouldn't have 300 links. Izno (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  editors use it in different ways. Why do you feel you can demand that other editors edit like you edit? Why are editor assistance shortcuts bad? To make it clear, because I don't know if everyone actually knows what these templates, and many more like them for other leagues, generally do, is they remove the words "Football Club" from being displayed whilst still keeping it in the link, so that prose reads better or tables or lists aren't overwhelmed by repeated Football Club. It's much easier to write {{WAFL SF}} or {{subst:WAFL SF}} than [[South Fremantle Football Club|South Fremantle]].The-Pope (talk) 06:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. (copying my comment from the nomination above this, however, if replying to me, please only reply in one of them) I've said this before, if links for teams, groups, companies, games, etc., need a template, then why aren't we doing this for every other one that doesn't use a template? While this might seem silly, this is actually a core design philosophy here, either a template should be used for simple links, or plain links and redirects should be used. Looking at Perth Football Club, Template:WAFL CC is used there manually, which means that someone took the time and instead of writing a clear link, used the template. This to me is very unhelpful as it makes reading the Wikitext harder. If these templates would have been used in automated way where code takes part of an article titles and from there uses it to find a template, then that would have been a different scenario, which this isn't it. TL/DR: less helpful than plain links with no real added value. Gonnym (talk) 16:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• delete, obfuscates the wikitext with no significant benefit. Frietjes (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment, I don't much care about the outcome of the discussion, but the all the template for deletion warnings make the article 2024 WAFL season almost unreadable, and probably all others before! Please have a look for yourself. How is that improving Wikipedia? Calistemon (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Calistemon I had somewhat meant to use the tiny tag rather than the inline tag and then left it after nominating everything. I have no issue changing that since you've brought it up. Izno (talk) 15:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:EOTY/nominee

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Izno (talk) 17:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:EOTY/nominee (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template subpage with no parent page, documentation, or categories, transcluded just once in a user talk page. Created in 2013. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Userboxes go to WP:MFD, even if they are in templatespace :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Noted. My mistake. Withdrawn. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Current events monthly archive/display

• Template:Current events monthly archive/display (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Module:Current events monthly archive (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Test template subpage with no parent page, created in 2017. Used only in one editor's sandbox pages. Subst and delete, or userfy. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• I was originally going to G8 but research found that it's being used by Module:Current events monthly archive being used in the same places. I've added it in the nom. Delete without replacement. Izno (talk) 18:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Pfafrich/Axiom

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The result of the discussion was Delete - test page under my old user name --Salix alba (talk): 21:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Pfafrich/Axiom (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template subpage with no parent page, documentation, categories, or incoming links. Creates simple decorative blockquote formatting. Used in one discussion page from 2006. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Move topicon/styles.css

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G8 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Move topicon/styles.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused subpage with no parent page; styles were apparently not needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Metal–organic frameworks/doc

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Metal–organic frameworks/doc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used as parent template uses {{navbox documentation}}. Gonnym (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy delete. Created in error (by me). – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Coburg Lions current squad

• Template:Coburg Lions current squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused in article since this edit. Gonnym (talk) 07:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Alt lists

• Template:Alt lists (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sidebar now that both link direct to the same page. Gonnym (talk) 07:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete as unused. Also, for a template listing early-modern British women playwright lists, its name is comically too general. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:1961 NCAA College Division independents football records

• Template:1961 NCAA College Division independents football records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1961 NCAA University Division independents football records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused templates that are not needed anymore based on this discussion. Gonnym (talk) 07:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 13:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Var nowiki

• Template:Var nowiki (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Module:Var nowiki (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template and module. Performs the same function as {{Call wikitext}} or {{Expand wikitext}}. The manual parameter substitution at Module:Var nowiki#L-9 is never used, making it effectively identical to the two templates above in terms of implementation. – BrandonXLF (talk) 05:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Stabbing as a terrorist tactic

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. Nomination created in error. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Stabbing as a terrorist tactic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Mass stabbing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Stabbing as a terrorist tactic with Template:Mass stabbing.
This page is not sufficiently different in substance to require its own page and should instead be a sub-section within the body of Mass stabbing. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I did not mean for this to be a template, but rather just to propose a merge of Stabbing as a terrorist tactic into Mass stabbing. I have proprosed AfDs plenty of times, sometimes resulting in a merge, but never proposed it as a merge from the beginning and I wanted to do that here. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

See the instructions at {{Merge to}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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September 4

RTA Rapid Transit station platform templates

• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Blue (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Blue next (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Blue previous (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Green (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Green next (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Green previous (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Waterfront (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Waterfront next (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cleveland RTA platform layout/Waterfront previous (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Category:RTA Rapid Transit station platform templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Previous consensus to deprecate these tabular diagrams: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC. Mackensen (talk) 23:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and the many previous consensuses to delete similar templates. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:No significant coverage (sports)

• Template:No significant coverage (sports) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:No significant coverage (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:No significant coverage (sports) with Template:No significant coverage.
I suggest redirecting {{No significant coverage (sports)}} to {{No significant coverage}}. I don't think it's normal to have topic-based sub-templates for maintenance tags, and I don't see any obvious advantages to having this separate. If I'm missing something please let me know. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• The rationale behind this template, to my understanding, is that sports biographies have unique considerations following WP:NSPORTS2022 and the resulting addition to WP:SPORTSCRIT. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep. The requirement for all sportsperson biographies to cite at least one source containing IRS SIGCOV distinguishes the status of articles tagged with it from those tagged with the redirect target. The latter situation doesn't necessarily mean an article fails/is claimed to fail a guideline, so there is less urgency to source the affected articles than there is for deficient sportsperson bios. This tag also offers more direct guidance to authors who may be not be aware of SPORTSCRIT or of what counts as SIGCOV in sports. JoelleJay (talk) 00:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Actually, {{No significant coverage}} is, to me, used generally irrespective of what the subject of an article is. At least, at AfD, we believe if there are three reliable and independent sources that cover a subject significantly, then that's a WP:GNG pass already. But for sports, if there's just one, and the player has won gold (or plenty of silver) medals, then they pass. In a nutshell, {{No significant coverage (sports)}} definitely is needed since we don't exactly judge WP:SPORTCRIT as we do for other notability guidelines. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:BoM

• Template:BoM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:BoM2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navboxes with no transclusions and no incoming links from discussions. Established sidebar templates at {{Books of the Book of Mormon}} and {{Figures in the Book of Mormon}} appear to be preferred over this recent creation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

No objections. The templates were created during a discussion (permanent link) at Template talk:Book of Mormon because I didn't understand how template sandboxes worked. A third opinion volunteer gave advice (permanent link) that a bottom navigation box would be more reader-friendly than a sidebar navigation box. But that discussion and effort petered out. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 00:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Olympic event

• Template:Olympic event (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Currently used in five articles and several other non-mainspace pages, including one user page of inactive user. Subst and delete. George Ho (talk) 17:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Archive/TemplateData

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 05:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Archive/TemplateData (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused subpage; template data typically lives on the /doc page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. I put Template Data on a separate page to make a merge more straightforward. Gonnym has since moved the Template Data over to the "/doc" page.[1] I am completely fine with that. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Politics in Pelotas region

• Template:Politics in Pelotas region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with just one blue link in the body (some are redirects that go to the city's article, not a politics article). Not usable for navigation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:History of Saturday Night Live

• Template:History of Saturday Night Live (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template was created to line up the SNL season articles with the five-year chunk history articles. These history articles have now been superseded and redirected to a new singular History of Saturday Night Live page, and this template is now no longer necessary. StewdioMACK (talk) 16:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Manual of Style

• Template:Manual of Style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Manual of Style with Template:Style.
I feel that this page should be merged with Template:Style, because people make edits to one and not the other, thus causing confusion about which pages are actually part of the MoS. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 14:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose but will watch the discussion. One is a sidebar navbox and the other is a footer. Two different kinds of creatures and Wikipedia maps. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  Is there a way to make them automatically sync? JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The two templates seem to be used more or less on the same pages. I've never noticed the footer - the fact that it's fully collapsed by default doesn't help - but use the sidebar occasionally, presumably because of its prominence. There's no need for two navigation templates for the same MOS, and reducing maintenance burden and confusion by merging would help reallocate editor time to more important tasks. It's possible to sync them up using flexbox or other CSS tricks - but it would be faster and easier just to drop the footer. -- Beland (talk) 17:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ridership

• Template:Ridership (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

It appears that this template was used for a while and then removed in 2013 from one or more articles that used it. Subst and delete, or userfy to the user space of the editor who kept an old copy of the table in that article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete My template’s reason for existence was removed 10 years ago. Millbrooky (talk) 14:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Slap

• Template:Slap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Appears to be an unfinished experiment from May 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Completely pointless. I also fail to see how any of the "trout"-esque templates contribute to editing. Gonnym (talk) 11:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Miami Fusion seasons

• Template:Miami Fusion seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use table with no documentation, categories, incoming links from discussions, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Brindille1 (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

To be more specific, I support deletion. I'd initially created this page months ago thinking there would be multiple usages for it. That's clearly not been the case, and it makes sense to delete move it into the article. Brindille1 (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - not needed. Can subst. GiantSnowman 20:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:UK policing units

• Template:UK policing units (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is a mess. Full of red links, and even some of the working links are redirects (often to just an article for the relevant police force)

It seems to be a form of LISTCRUFT albeit in template form, with no clear reasoning behind what constitutes a "policing unit". Elshad (talk) 11:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Needs cleanup, not deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and comment: looks like someone already cleaned it up ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 21:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Advert

• Template:Advert (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Promotional tone (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Advert with Template:Promotional tone.
{{Advert}} is rarely used on articles that actually read like adverts; what is most often (indeed, almost exclusively) meant is what is described by {{Promotional tone}} (aka {{Promo}}), which has a better name and better wording ("This article contains text that is written in a promotional tone." vs. "This article contains content that is written like an advertisement.". The use of {{Advert}} is thus often a cause of confusion among novice editors whose work is tagged with it. We certainly don't need two such templates. i also note that the category used by {{Advert}} is Category:Articles with a promotional tone; that {{Advert inline}} redirects to {{Promotion inline}}; and that {{Promotion}} redirects to {{Advert}}. I propose to redirect {{Advert}} to {{Promotional tone}}, and to have tools such as Twinkle updated accordingly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions of Benin

• Template:Diplomatic missions of Benin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This nav box only has 2 entries, one of which is up for deletion. The Japan article is actually to Japanese WP. There is not much point for a nav box for a small number of entries. LibStar (talk) 06:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

It now has only one non-English entry. LibStar (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Map of Himachal Pradesh kingdoms

• Template:Map of Himachal Pradesh kingdoms (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. No documentation or categories. Appears to be an abandoned test. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:OldKorean

• Template:OldKorean (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links. Created in 2020. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Multi-locus allele clusters

• Template:Multi-locus allele clusters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Proposed article content created in 2007 but not currently used in any articles. It appears to have been proposed for use in an article but was disputed. It was used in an article way back in 2007 when it was created, but it was removed a few months later. It is now in use only in the original talk page proposal section, and in two archived versions of Race and genetics stored in the user space of a now-deceased editor. Subst into the three places where it is used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Isfahan brt

• Template:Isfahan brt (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Incomprehensible. It was used without explanation at Isfahan until I removed it from that article. No documentation, categories, or incoming links. Created in 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Subst into relevant article - appears to be for some transportation system. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 22:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Lunar Saros 156 summary

• Template:Lunar Saros 156 summary (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-article content with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Created in 2021. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Subst into relevant article(s) and delete. Also repeat for similar templates, there are a bunch of them. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Dynamic infobox

• Template:Dynamic infobox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links. Created in April 2024. Appears to be an abandoned experiment. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as superfluous. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Ok is not deletion 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

September 3

Template:American Family Radio

• Template:American Family Radio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Almost all of links are merely redirects to the network's article, making the navbox violate WP:EXISTING, and making it hinder rather than help a reader's attempts at navigating Wikipedia. There is already a category for American Family Radio stations, that provides easier navigation, as the redirects are italicized. The radio stations whose call signs redirect to the network's article are not independently notable and should not become articles. Tdl1060 (talk) 19:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• I've removed the redirects; what remains appears to be sufficient for a navbox. Izno (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Izno:, that helped identify a couple of pages that should also be redirects and two stations that were included that apparently were not affiliates, but what we are now left with are four stations of the network's 180 that are notable enough to have articles and three affiliates. Either way, this did not really make it useful as a navbox.--Tdl1060 (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Welsh musicians

• Template:Welsh musicians (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#Template:Scottish musicians. Sahaib (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:K.V. Oostende squad

• Template:K.V. Oostende squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

K.V. Oostende went bankrupt in the summer of 2024 and folded. Does not exist anymore under its current form. Pelotas^{talk|contribs} 15:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - defunct club has no 'current' squad, so this template is not needed. GiantSnowman 20:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions in São Tomé and Príncipe

• Template:Diplomatic missions in São Tomé and Príncipe (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template contains no links to existing articles on the English Wikipedia and serves no purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 15:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions in Laos

• Template:Diplomatic missions in Laos (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template contains no links to existing articles on the English Wikipedia and serves no purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 15:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions in the Bahamas

• Template:Diplomatic missions in the Bahamas (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just a single link in this template links to an existing article, and that article is about a non-resident mission. It is unhelpful for navigation and serves no purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 14:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 14:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No point with `1 entry. LibStar (talk) 04:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Lukas Dhont

• Template:Lukas Dhont (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only two films, WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 14:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Two films (for now) AND a list of awards. Zoolver (talk) 20:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

This is still below the threshold for WP:NENAN which recommends five articles. Navigation can be achieved through normal linking. --woodensuperman 08:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Risk of acquiring HIV

• Template:Risk of acquiring HIV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use article content template with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I worked on this like 10 years ago so I suppose it must be settled. Right now it is in HIV/AIDS. I thought that it used to be in multiple articles. I wish it were possible to see where templates used to be.

Support subst into article and deletion. Bluerasberry (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support waddie96 ★ (talk) 19:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Maps

• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Maps (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Cleanup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Discussion (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Expansion (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Maps (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Merge (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Missing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/POV articles (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Top (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latino and Hispanic Open Tasks/Vandalism (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All unused sup-pages after these edits. Gonnym (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Latest stable software release/Libreboot

• Template:Latest stable software release/Libreboot (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latest stable software release/MAME (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latest stable software release/Microsoft SQL Server (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Latest stable software release/Samsung Kies (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused software release version templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Euler characteristic hypercube simplex orthoplex.svg

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 00:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Euler characteristic hypercube simplex orthoplex.svg (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused image. Even if used, doesn't really need to be in a template. Gonnym (talk) 10:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

No longer in use so fine to delete. Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 21:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Caution2

• Template:Caution2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and exact duplicate of Template:Caution. Gonnym (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

unused

It's only 1 month old. That's microseconds in the Wikipedia universe.

exact duplicate of Template:Caution.

It uses a different image. Emdosis (talk) 11:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

1 month is still 30 days longer than needed, if the template was actually needed anywhere. Template:Caution has |image= to change the default image. Gonnym (talk) 11:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as redundant. A month is long enough for it to have proved its utility. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Campaignbox Laz rebellion (1832–1834)

• Template:Campaignbox Laz rebellion (1832–1834) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused duplicate of Template:Laz rebellion (1832–1834). Gonnym (talk) 10:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Campaigns of Cao Cao

• Template:Campaigns of Cao Cao (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused duplicate of Template:Cao Cao. Gonnym (talk) 10:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:CA Bordj Bou Arréridj squad

• Template:CA Bordj Bou Arréridj squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and mostly blanked template. Gonnym (talk) 10:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - useless, not needed. GiantSnowman 20:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:AME2012

• Template:AME2012 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused reference template. Gonnym (talk) 10:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete We're up to AME2020 now. As of now, about 40% of the isotope tables are fully updated to at least this level. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Asia Sub-regional Qualifier teams

• Template:2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Asia Sub-regional Qualifier teams (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused table which isn't used at 2026 ICC Men's T20 World Cup qualification. Gonnym (talk) 10:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

September 2

Template:Shostakovich string quartets

• Template:Shostakovich string quartets (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Now redundant to {{Dmitri Shostakovich}} Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Villa-Lobos string quartets

• Template:Villa-Lobos string quartets (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Now redundant to {{Heitor Villa-Lobos}} Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Schaff-Herzog poster

• Template:Schaff-Herzog poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:DARRD poster

• Template:DARRD poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template other than in one old talk archive (subst or nowiki it there). Gonnym (talk) 21:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:DCBL poster

• Template:DCBL poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:DGRA poster

• Template:DGRA poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:DGRC poster

• Template:DGRC poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Jewish Encyclopedia poster

• Template:Jewish Encyclopedia poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:DGRG poster

• Template:DGRG poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Grove1900 poster

• Template:Grove1900 poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:IBD1915 poster

• Template:IBD1915 poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:LotEP poster

• Template:LotEP poster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Wikisource link template. Gonnym (talk) 21:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Sandu cabinet table

• Template:Sandu cabinet table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use article content template with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Timeline of reporters killed in Ukraine

• Template:Timeline of reporters killed in Ukraine (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use article content template with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I see in the history of this article that when I created this Template it was used in two Wikipedia pages. As this is not the case anymore I agree that subst into article and delete is the best way forward. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 09:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Longpigs

• Template:Longpigs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary navbox. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:43A:6517:EF97:EA87 (talk) 17:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Year by category

• Template:Year by category (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

After trying to rewrite this template to remove the need for passing the year as a parameter in favor of simply using {{title year}}, I have come to the conclusion that this template is like a Self-Operating Napkin: Too fancy for its own good. It does zero computations based on its input (besides the basic "don't use this functionality if not given the necessary parameters").

Compare these two versions of Category:1862 in the American Civil War: without using this template and with using this template. I think the without version is much easier to understand and therefore more sustainable. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The countries should be replaced with {{Year in country category}} (which at some point should really be updated to get the country name automatically). The europe one should be replaced with {{Year in continent category}}. The baseball one does not seem to have a generic category template (only {{YYYY Major League Baseball season category header}}). Gonnym (talk) 08:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 16:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

• Template:WikiProject Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:WikiProject Pakistan has switches for provincial wiki project banners. This template is not needed, no other Pakistani provincial WP has a separate banner template, if we take an example of WP India, same is true there as well. This is a prematurely created template and should be deleted. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

As a standlone project it's valid for it to have a project banner. I'd personally send Wikipedia:WikiProject Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to MfD as a dead project with zero activity instead of merging anything. If it really needs to exist, then it should still be sent to MfD to convert it to a task force (but with no activity, there is really no point). Gonnym (talk) 07:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I am not in favor of submitting the project to MfD. The project pertains to one of Pakistan's four administrative units. I'm unsure how activity is measured, but I recently tagged over a hundred articles with the project. Regarding the template, I am an active member of both WP Pakistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. I support managing it as one of the switches under Template:WikiProject Pakistan, and I have been handling it this way. Therefore, a separate banner template is unnecessary. As an active project member, I am stating that we do not wish to manage the banner using a separate template. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 16:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Veertien Mie

• Template:Veertien Mie (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a useful navbox. Mostly red links while the few blue links merely point back to the subject article or in one case, the eponymous category, itself not particularly useful. DB1729^talk 14:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 16:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Stratovolcanoes

• Template:Stratovolcanoes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This navbox does not have clear inclusion criteria. According to a petscan search that goes just two levels deep from Category:Stratovolcanoes, more than 1,000 articles could justifiably be listed here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Acceleration teams

• Template:Acceleration teams (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Navbox with no links in the body after all of the linked articles in it were deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox acceleration team

• Template:Infobox acceleration team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2014. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete as unused. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:MLB Team Maps (1964)

• Template:MLB Team Maps (1964) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, template documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in early 2024. There are about thirty of these unused maps. They should either be used or deleted. If this discussion is closed as delete, I'll be happy to nominate the others, but I'd rather not bother Spesh531 with thirty nominations yet. See this discussion on the creator's talk page for some background. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

So when these were made, I initially added them to all the MLB season pages. Due to how the standings tables were formatted at the time, there were large empty gaps in the page due to the maps. Given the updated standings table format, adding maps does not involve adding large empty gaps... so I've re-added the maps via WP:BOLD. I get the feeling some (or all) the map templates will be removed, but in the meantime, all thirty or so unused maps are now being used (again). Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 04:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep as it is now used, again. However, if this or others from this set are removed once again, I'd be extremely opposed to it being re-added again to any article to save it from deletion. If the community does not want it, then it does not want it. Gonnym (talk) 07:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Half-wave rectifier voltage

• Template:Half-wave rectifier voltage (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use article content template with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Gavrilița cabinet table

• Template:Gavrilița cabinet table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use article content template with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Washington–Franklin Issue

• Template:Washington–Franklin Issue (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use article content with no template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Jonesey95 — I copied and added the markup for this template to the article. Go ahead and delete. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:2022–23 Segunda Federación Ranking of 13th-place teams

• Template:2022–23 Segunda Federación Ranking of 13th-place teams (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use template for a season that is over. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Speciesbox/italic title

• Template:Speciesbox/italic title (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sub template. According to User talk:Peter coxhead#Template:Speciesbox/italic title {{#invoke:Automated taxobox|speciesboxName}} has replaced it. Gonnym (talk) 13:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:MEPcountEuropeanParty

• Template:MEPcountEuropeanParty (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused data template which its doc says it has been replaced. Gonnym (talk) 08:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Order of St. George

• Template:Order of St. George (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused medal template. Gonnym (talk) 08:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Pandu Rajar Dhibi graphical timeline

• Template:Pandu Rajar Dhibi graphical timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline. Gonnym (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:People's Hero of Yugoslavia

• Template:People's Hero of Yugoslavia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused medal icon template. Gonnym (talk) 08:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Pixels per inch

• Template:Pixels per inch (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused conversion template. Gonnym (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Polish Army -small

• Template:Polish Army -small (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused duplicate of Template:Polish Army. Gonnym (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Quintiles PI

• Template:Quintiles PI (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template, created a ~1.5 years ago. Gonnym (talk) 08:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Quinary

• Template:Quinary (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused conversion template. Gonnym (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:RNB1823 djvu

• Template:RNB1823 djvu (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused reference template. Gonnym (talk) 08:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Species table/taxon

• Template:Species table/taxon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sub-template. Per User talk:Jts1882#Template:Species table/taxon it was replaced and isn't needed anymore. Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Unused, has no use. UtherSRG (talk) 13:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Rugbyleagueboxwomens

• Template:Rugbyleagueboxwomens (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused rugby match template. Gonnym (talk) 08:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - unused and unneeded. Nthep (talk) 18:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - Per Nthep Mn1548 (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/ba/mezhgorye

• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/ba/mezhgorye (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/che/lokomotivny (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/che/snezhinsky (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/irk/cheremkhovo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/irk/ziminskoye (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/kya/partizansky (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/orl/oryol (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/pnz/penza (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RussiaBasicLawRef/pri/bolshoy kamen (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Russian related reference templates. Gonnym (talk) 08:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Savannah Squares

• Template:Savannah Squares (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused labelled map template. Gonnym (talk) 08:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Space station crew timeline

• Template:Space station crew timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline. Gonnym (talk) 08:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Species with Taxonomy link text

• Template:Species with Taxonomy link text (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Species with Taxonomy link text/near (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Created by a now blocked user. Gonnym (talk) 07:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Unused, has no use. UtherSRG (talk) 13:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Storm sortkey

• Template:Storm sortkey (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sort template. Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Swedish football Division 5 seasons

• Template:Swedish football Division 5 seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused nabox as it has no links anymore. Gonnym (talk) 07:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as no blue links, and would not expect these season articles to get created, as they're unlikely to meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - useless, not needed. GiantSnowman 20:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:TFNSW inline

• Template:TFNSW inline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused transport template. Probably replaced with direct calls to the data modules. Gonnym (talk) 07:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:TRAPPIST-1 Gallery

• Template:TRAPPIST-1 Gallery (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused image gallery. Gonnym (talk) 07:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tamil film list

• Template:Tamil film list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Created by an account that this was their only edit. Template:Tamil cinema is already used on all of these articles. Gonnym (talk) 07:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tartu JK Tammeka squad

• Template:Tartu JK Tammeka squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Only two links and both are not in the squad anymore. Gonnym (talk) 07:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Not unused anymore after update and does not qualify for current deletion policies. Being the top league and professional club, but mostly considering the local media interest in football, makes atleast half the squad pass GNG (if talking about #3 likelihood of being used). Best to skip this and move to next discussion. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  First create the articles, then create a navigation template that provides navigation between articles. Even after your edits this still only has one player with an article, which still makes this template in its current form pointless. Gonnym (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  Still not a reason to delete. In some cases templates are kept even without usages. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - useless, not needed. GiantSnowman 20:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tehran County divisions

• Template:Tehran County divisions (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and not sure still reflects the county according to the article. Gonnym (talk) 07:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Timeline Norwegian PM Horizontal

• Template:Timeline Norwegian PM Horizontal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 07:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:To EUR/Divide

• Template:To EUR/Divide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 07:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:To USD/Divide

• Template:To USD/Divide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 07:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Topic/country

• Template:Topic/country (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sub-template. Gonnym (talk) 07:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Turkey district populations

• Template:Turkey district populations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Turkey data template. Gonnym (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:UKLGData

• Template:UKLGData (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused UK data template. Gonnym (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: from original author. I think it was never used.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 17:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:USM Blida squad

• Template:USM Blida squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and mostly blanked template. Gonnym (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete on quick search, could not find a squad list for them. That being said, most Algerian third tier footballers won't be notable, and looking at List of USM Blida players, most of their players historically haven't been notable. Unless someone finds a squad list and their current squad contains 4-5 notable players (all of which seems unlikely to me), then this should be deleted. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - useless, not needed. GiantSnowman 20:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy Champions templates

• Template:NavigationAsianOpenFigureSkatingTrophyChampionsWomen (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:NavigationAsianOpenTrophyChampionsFigureSkatingMen (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:NavigationAsianOpenTrophyChampionsFigureSkatingPairs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a notable enough skating competition to warrant a navigation box. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Gorilla City

• Template:Gorilla City (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Yet another collection of random somewhat related comic book articles. The main subject of this navbox, Gorilla City, is a redirect and not that notable, while many of the links are only partially related characters, plus comics and media the location appeared in, as well as random links to similar gorilla-related works (and Obama due to some comic events). There is already Category:Gorilla City which sufficiently organizes the most relevant content for this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

September 1

Template:Miss Cosmo

• Template:Miss Cosmo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only one entry as this event as only started this year. No navigation at this time. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nominator. "Navigation" to one article is non useful. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nominator. Not useful. Sciencefish (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Diplomatic missions in Turkmenistan

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Diplomatic missions in Turkmenistan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template with just a single article. Does not serve any purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 14:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Diplomatic missions in Suriname

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Diplomatic missions in Suriname (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template with just a single article. Does not serve any purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 14:15, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Liberal Democrats London mayoral selection, 2015

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Liberal Democrats London mayoral selection, 2015 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Hardly a useful navbox, with only two of six items linked to existing articles. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Delete Per nom, serves no real purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Fisheries scientists

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Fisheries scientists (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete. I find this template strange as this seems to be what categories are for. The navbox has no context and mixes scientist from the 1800s, 1900s and 2000s. I would also assume that there must be a lot more notable fisheries scientists than just these; adding them all would make the navbox difficult to navigate. Geschichte (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Import style/sticky2.css

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 16:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Import style/sticky2.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not used and, according to the comments and edit summaries, doesn't work and can be deleted. Jroberson108 (talk) 06:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes please go ahead and delete it. Ergzay (talk) 10:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Old discussions

August 22

Template:Presidency of Richard Nixon

• Template:Presidency of Richard Nixon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of Ronald Reagan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of Barack Obama (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of Bill Clinton (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of Gerald Ford (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of George H. W. Bush (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of George W. Bush (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Presidency of Joe Biden (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Precedent from my nomination of the Presidency of Jimmy Carter navbox. All links here are featured on the main navbox. I can understand the navbox being larger. But we don't need to create a navbox for every individual presidency. I would recommend trimming the main navbox because these U.S. presidents navboxes have gotten larger including every law they have signed during their terms. All of these templates must go and don't add much for navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Strongly Oppose Discussion of presidency templates vs. president biography templates remains ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Presidents#Presidency Navigation Templates vs. Biography Navigation Templates. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 19:10, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

All duplication between the president biography and presidency templates has been removed per expressed preference of editors for smaller biography templates at the discussion, so this nomination these nominations and the prior deletion of the Presidency of Jimmy Carter navbox are now arguably without merit. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

That discussion did not result in consensus. You are ignoring long community standard of having a clear consensus on any major changes to any style of formatting in regards to these templates. If a discussion is ongoing, then a nomination for deletion is not without merit. More templates are not a solution here and not every article deserves its own template. There had been no issue with the main president navbox having articles of their presidency included. You are editwarring across these templates even to go far to restore the Jimmy Carter navbox after it had been redirected following the Tfd for its own discussion. This is a violation of policy to edit war after Tfd consensus. And in several of your edits, you cite consensus was gained, but no such thing as happened. You are subverting discussion protocol and you can be reported to the ANI discussion board for this. So, please stop and let other users here add their views. You are Bludgioning this discussion well beyond what has been tolerable for users to see what your argument is. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You are Bludgioning this discussion well beyond what has been tolerable for users to see what your argument is. It would not be necessary to repeat what I've said in furtherance of enforcing existing content policies that reflect already-existing community consensus per WP:NOTBUREAU if other editors didn't engage in the type of behavior that User:Randy Kryn has engaged, namely false accusations and mischaracterizations as well as ownership behavior. The previous discussion continued without my knowledge and on a false premise due to Randy Kryn's reversions. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support per the Presidency of Jimmy Carter deletion. CommonKnowledgeCreator, you missed the point there and here. Removing the presidency topics from these individuals overall navboxes separates access to massive portions of their lives from readers of the linked articles. As only one example of many, family is missing - and all of these individuals had family living with them in the White House. Books about their presidency, campaigns which brought them to the presidency, etc., should not be divided among two navboxes when one has been adequate for the entire existence of their navboxes. Per Jimmy Carter. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:42, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Edit war in progress, which I'll try to avoid, presidential entries are now being removed from individual navboxes where they have been present since their inception. I reverted a couple but am not going to keep playing whack-a-navbox. Please stop edit warring. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  CommonKnowledgeCreator, you missed the point there and here. Removing the presidency topics from these individuals overall navboxes separates access to massive portions of their lives from readers of the linked articles. As only one example of many, family is missing - and all of these individuals had family living with them in the White House. Books about their presidency, campaigns which brought them to the presidency, etc., should not be divided among two navboxes when one has been adequate for the entire existence of their navboxes. You have missed the point there and here. As I noted at the WikiProject United States Presidents talk page discussion, other editors there have expressed a preference for the shortened version of the biography templates as I have modified them, and you have consistently been dismissive of the concerns that I have raised with your assertions about how the templates should be organized. Other editors that I have had discussions with at Talk:Presidential Succession Act explicitly stated that legislation should generally not be included in biography templates, while per WP:NAVBOX and WP:UNDUE, editors are not permitted to create criteria for inclusion in a template that suggests certain topics related to a broader topic are of grater importance than others. Since that's the case, then none of them should be included in the biography templates and a separate presidency should be created instead because it so broad of a topic that it requires a separate map from the biography. A president's family is not related to their presidency; they had family members before and after their presidencies and having family members is not part of a president's official duties or powers.

  Unless something like a family wedding happens at the White House during the presidency as an official ceremony, it is unrelated. Books about their presidency are not typically written by administration officials, and as such are not directly related to their presidency. Some campaigns happen before individuals are President, and such campaigns are not part of their presidencies, while being President-elect is an official government position under the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Additionally, one-term presidents are under no constitutional or legal obligation to seek a second term, and as such, it is not an official duty or power of the presidency and is thus unrelated to the presidency. By contrast, signing bills into law, issuing executive orders, Supreme Court decisions over the decisions and directives, are related their presidency because those do involve official duties and responsibilities. This is not an edit war; you are an editor acting as though you own this project (WP:OWN) since only you really you seem to have a problem with it. WikiCleanerMan's comments are about duplication, which there would not be if you would stop reverting my edits. You also clearly have little or no understanding of how the U.S. system of government works or about the Presidency of the United States, and as such, should not be editing about these topics. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  There is no consensus in the discussion you link. Very large presidential sections on president navboxes can be placed in a collapsible section without readers losing access to the complete Wikipedia collection (Trump, Biden included). Much information-loss occurs when long-time entries are removed from the principal navboxes, which you have done at the navboxes under this discussion, citing a non-existent consensus, and then have edit warred over when that information was returned. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Nope. Per WP:NOTDEMOCRACY and WP:CON, if consensus is not reached by editing, then consensus is reached by discussion using reasons based in policy, sources, and common sense and not by voting on resolutions. Editors in the discussion have expressed a preference for smaller biography templates, opposition to duplicative templates, and support for separating presidency templates from biography templates, while other editors created the Presidency of Bill Clinton, Presidency of Barack Obama, Presidency of Donald Trump, and Presidency of Joe Biden templates—which means that there would be a consensus by editing in favor of separate presidency templates if you would stop reverting the biography templates so that there is duplication to justify deleting the separate presidency templates. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 19:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Likewise, after reviewing the relist discussion for the Presidency of Jimmy Carter navbox (which I was not notified of), the consistent concern expressed by editors has been mainly about duplication rather than your preference for including a selection of the topics related to a presidency in the biography template of the president—which I would reiterate is inconsistent with the WP:UNDUE and WP:NAVBOX policies. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong Oppose Why would you get rid of them? The presidencies of these presidents are an extremely important tool for documenting the history of the country and the world. Not just for the policies, but also the many events under their watch and decisions they made. We need to add even more to them. Significantly more. Vinnylospo (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I can understand the navbox being larger. But we don't need to create a navbox for every individual presidency. I would recommend trimming the main navbox because these U.S. presidents navboxes have gotten larger including every law they have signed during their terms. I would add, as I noted in the deletion discussion for the Presidency of Jimmy Carter template and at the discussion at the WikiProject United States Presidents talk page, not every law that they have signed during their terms in office is being included and only the ones that have Wikipedia articles. Like I've noted here, in the previous deletion discussion, and at the talk page discussion, to do otherwise would be a violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:NAVBOX—specifically the part of the latter policy that states: "Inclusion of article links or subdivisions in a template may inadvertently push a point of view. It may also incorrectly suggest that one aspect of a topic or a linked example is of more, less, or equal importance to others". -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I'd also add that WP:NAVBOX also explicitly states: "templates with a large number of links are not forbidden". -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 22:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

But we don't need to create a navbox for every individual presidency. I agree insofar as you are referring to the Presidencies of William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, and James A. Garfield since Criterion 4 of WP:NAVBOX states "There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template." However, the templates you have nominated for deletion satisfy Criterion 1 ("All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject") and entries can easily be changed to satisfy Criterion 2 ("The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article"), which means at least 3 of the 5 criteria that WP:NAVBOX recommends for good navigation templates would be satisfied for them. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Vinnylospo, if you can work your way through CKC's walls of text and extreme edit warring at the templates, these navboxes duplicate the entries already present at the president's navbox. Separating the person from the presidency also separates their other life achievements from reader access while having them in one place - which has always been done and for the same reasoning. Nothing is lost by deleting these duplicate templates. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair, but I think either one should be way way larger. Including major events, disasters, deaths, etc Vinnylospo (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Vinnylospo. Major events, deaths, etc. should only be included on navboxes if they have something to do with the navbox topic. A person's presidency covers the actions that they were involved in, not everything going on in the world. Things like that are covered by other navboxes and articles. Somebody dying during a presidential term is very tangential to that term of office unless, like the Osama bin Laden killing by Obama, they were directly involved. Make sense? Randy Kryn (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah but what about for major political deaths that they presided over like P. Nixon, R. Nixon and Foster for Clinton or Reagan, Ford, Rehnquist and Lady Bird for Bush? Vinnylospo (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Well yeah I wouldn’t make one for those three either. Vinnylospo (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I think of you delete all of those, you have to delete the one for Trump too. It’s only fair. Vinnylospo (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Vinnylospo, yes, agreed, but the entries for Trump's presidential term(s) should be included on his {{Donald Trump}} navbox, and if too large for easy viewing they can be, as I've mentioned, put into an enlargable section which would be collapsed when viewing the navbox. This solution is the obvious solution to the larger navboxes, and has been used on hundreds if not thousands of navboxes. Thanks for staying with the discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I don’t get why we don’t just merge them all into one. Like for instance, look at how the Iraq war is done, there’s sub nav boxes within that nav box. I think that would be great. Vinnylospo (talk) 17:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

...if you can work your way through CKC's walls of text and extreme edit warring at the templates... Randy Kryn (talk) 13:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

...and if too large for easy viewing [as] they can be, as I've mentioned, put into an enlargable section which would be collapsed when viewing the navbox. This solution is the obvious solution to the larger navboxes, and has been used on hundreds if not thousands of navboxes. ...Randy Kryn (talk) 15:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I don’t get why we don’t just merge them all into one. Like for instance, look at how the Iraq war is done, there’s sub nav boxes within that nav box. I think that would be great. Vinnylospo(talk) 17:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, let me be very clear because you have mischaracterized what I have explicitly said in these discussions: I do not oppose using collapsable sections with these navigation templates. Actually, I'll go further: I do not oppose merging the biography and presidency templates with collapsable sections. However, other editors at the Presidential Succession Act talk page this past February argued that legislation should generally not be included in a biography template. However, the letter of the WP:NAVBOX policy requires that there be no additional criteria leading to a selection of related topics for inclusion in a navigation template due to the core WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE policies, and if laws are not sufficiently related to the biography of a president even if though they are directly related to their presidency (since the president signs them into law), then other topics related to their presidency are not sufficiently related to their biography either.

Additionally, WP:NAVBOX expresses a preference for smaller templates such that if a larger template can be split into smaller templates that still satisfy the criteria for good navigation templates then they probably should be, and other editors at the discussion at the WikiProject United States Presidents talk page expressed a preference for the biography templates as I had modified them and have since expressed a preference for excluding articles related to the president's biography (i.e. the family members, books about the presidencies, and elections). I have no problem with large navigation templates with collapsable sections, but other editors in these discussions do not appear to agree with what you are proposing for these templates and would appear prefer the splits. I am trying to keep the templates consistent with the explicit letter and rationale behind the content policies and the expressed preferences of most of the other editors I have interacted with throughout these discussions—of which you are only one, and would be unreasonable for your preferences to dictate outcomes. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I think doing it like Template:Iraq War would be ideal as you can have a tab for each one. And include the Template:Presidency of Donald Trump, you can take those as well as the ones for his family, media, businesses as well. It’s weird how Trump has multiple bag boxes when you can in all honesty condense it all into one. Vinnylospo (talk) 05:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

See my previous comment. WP:NAVBOX has an explicit preference for smaller templates such that if a larger template can be split into smaller templates that still satisfy the criteria for good navigation templates then that should probably be done. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it doesn't, that's from an essay that you just tried to sandwich into the guideline criteria. As for the discussion you mention just above, that was a local discussion at an out-of-the-way talk page, and would not apply here. Collapsed sections on navboxes are useful, common, and solve all of your concerns. These "presidential" navboxes are not needed and, if presidential items are removed from existing navboxes, do serious damage to site navigation. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it doesn't, that's from an essay that you just tried to sandwich into the guideline criteria. As for the discussion you mention just above, that was a local discussion at an out-of-the-way talk page, and would not apply here. Yes, it does, and no, I didn’t. The WP:NAVBOX policy states: "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles; templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use." It is not from any explanatory essay. The criterion that I proposed added from the WP:ATC essay for the WP:NAVBOX policy has nothing to do with the length of navigation templates but with overlapping entries. All What I have proposed to the WP:NAVBOX policy with respect to template length is additional language that recommends but does not require splitting large navigation templates into smaller templates where the smaller templates would still satisfy most or all of the criteria for good navigation templates.

I would add that WP:NOTBUREAU notes that existing content policies document an already-existing community consensus about a topic, so the explicit preference for smaller templates in the WP:NAVBOX policy that I've explicitly quoted in this comment reflects an existing community consensus about navigation templates while your preferences do not. Additionally, per WP:CON, multiple editors in the WikiProject United States Presidents talk page discussion have stated an explicit preference for smaller templates (as well as WikiCleanerMan in their original post for the deletion nomination), for the biography templates as I had modified them, and for the presidency templates that I created. The Presidential Succession Acts are laws passed by Congress and signed into law by the President, so the talk page discussion I had with the editors there in February is not "out-of-the-way".

As I have said multiple times in these discussions, this is not an edit war and you are engaging in ownership behavior (WP:OWNBEHAVIOR) with respect to this the biography templates. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• To briefly sum up: CommonKnowledgeCreator split entries from long-term navboxes and defends this action, although the similar navbox for Jimmy Carter's presidency had been deleted. I'm saying that the existing navboxes are fine and nothing is broken, although two, three, or so may need to include a collapsible section for the person's presidency. Providing the full Wikipedia map to the individual's life in one place, including the important links related to their presidency, is the strength of such navboxes. If they are separated then the readers of each of the individual's articles would lose access to over half of Wikipedia pathways to other notable topics related to person's life. I think including a collapsible section for the longer navboxes is a reasonable compromise which should satisfy everyone. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  To brief sum up... To brief sum up: User:Randy Kryn has engaged in ownership behavior with respect to the biography templates and has repeatedly mischaracterized my comments and editing. The entries were split into separate templates for presidencies that already had Wikipedia articles separate from the biography articles per WP:NAVBOX Criterion 3 for good navigation templates, only included entries that already had Wikipedia articles and to keep the templates shorter per WP:NAV-WITHIN and the WP:NAVBOX explicit preference for smaller navigation templates, and to have templates with objective criteria for article inclusion per WP:NAVBOX, WP:ATC, and WP:UNDUE—as including only a selection of articles related to a presidency in a biography template gave undue weight to the arbitrarily selected topics. I don't disagree with the proposal for collapsable sections, but per WP:NAV-WITHIN and WP:NAVBOX's explicit preference for smaller navigation templates, where navigation templates can be split into smaller templates that still satisfy most or all of the criteria for good navigation templates that should probably be done. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 14:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

  I feel honestly, if we aren't going to have the navboxes be collapseable and have all of these events, I don't see the point. You might as well get rid of Trump's too if you are going to get rid of these ones. Vinnylospo (talk) 00:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  The larger ones can be collapsed, that's the entire point of this long discussion which has gone off-track many times with personal attacks on my intentions. I'm a bit surprised I'm still treating CKC with some respect, and pat myself on the back for doing so. CKC seems to be saying that they wish to divide any and all navboxes which are large enough to have collapsible sections, and to get rid of that common feature. Many of Wikipedia's best navboxes are sectioned, that's just how they've always worked. CKC's emphasis on essays confuses the issue, and understanding the difference between essays and guidelines/policy is essential in working through the acceptance of long-term elements of navboxes, such as the popular and common collapsible section option. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  I'm a bit surprised I'm still treating CKC with some respect, and pat myself on the back for doing so. Self-congratulatory assessments of one's own behavior is not respectful behavior but a form of condescension. Collapsable child navboxes and hiding templates is not a solution to the issue of oversized templates and are only quick-fix, sweep-under-the-rug work-arounds. WP:NAV and WP:ATC both discuss oversized templates, and both essays been on Wikipedia for more than 10 years and have been edited by many editors other than the creators of the pages. They describe many best practices for addressing oversized templates; hiding templates and collapsing template sections are not one of not among them. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Again, there are hundreds of navboxes with collapsed sections, so there is nothing broken in using a collapsed section to address your concern. This is to keep the topic maps on Wikipedia in one place and not spread out in tangential navboxes. Again: the person's presidency is a vital part of their navbox (commonsense comes into play here). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Common sense is not a substitute for policy standards and best practices. There may very well be hundreds of such navboxes, but they all violate the already-existing community consensus that templates should not be overly large. None of the explanatory essays or WP:NAVBOX include language about mapping requirements as that you describe. As explained by WP:NAV-WITHIN, the best practice is to split navigation templates by sub-topic when they begin to get longer than they should reasonably be. If the smaller templates still satisfy the existing criteria for good navigation templates, there is little reason that such splits should not be made. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 16:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Also, instead of including mapping requirements language, WP:NAVBOX also states that templates that do not meet the criteria for good navigation templates have articles included that are loosely related, and recommends that such articles would be more appropriate for inclusion in a category or list instead of a navigation template—which implies that the article inclusion criteria for good navigation templates is supposed to be more restrictive than for categories, list articles, or list sections of articles. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 16:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose These navboxes are useful and meet criteria 1 of WP:NAVBOX. Length is not a reason to delete. --Enos733 (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Hello Enos733. The material in the nominated navboxes was copied from already existing navboxes (see, for example, {{Gerald Ford}}), and are thus redundant to the navbox collection. A similar Jimmy Carter navbox was already deleted in an TfD. This is about deleting the duplicate navboxes and likely including a collapsed section for the presidency articles in a few of the larger cases, not about deleting access to articles and the content map. Please take another look, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The material in the nominated navboxes was copied from already existing navboxes... and are thus redundant to the navbox collection. This is about deleting the duplicate navboxes and likely including a collapsed section for the presidency articles in a few of the larger cases, not about deleting access to articles and the content map. Enos733, User:Randy Kryn has been engaged in ownership behavior (WP:OWNBEHAVIOR) with respect to the navigation templates from which I attempted to split the current templates being discussed for deletion. The split was attempted to comply with the recommendations of WP:NAVBOX, WP:UNDUE, WP:ATC, and WP:NAV-WITHIN due to the requirement that individual navigation templates have objective article inclusion criteria rather than an arbitrary selection of articles related to a larger topic included and that large navigation templates should be split by sub-topic rather than be hidden or have collapsable child navboxes. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 15:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Again with the insults and the essays. Essays are somebody's opinion and have nothing to do with policy or guidelinge. The problem here is it wasn't made very clear that the deletion request concerns you removing items from existing navboxes without discussion and then thinking they require their own navbox. They don't, as has already been decided in an RM on the Jimmy Carter navbox. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Again with the insults and the essays. The condescension that you have regularly directed at me in discussions here and elsewhere is a form of ownership behavior per WP:OWNBEHAVIOR. While WP:SUPPLEMENTAL—which is part of the WP:WPNS policy—states that essays have a more limited status than policy or guidelines, they are intended to supplement or clarify Wikipedia guidelines, policies, or other Wikipedia processes and practices that are communal norms, and a footnote to the policy states that where Template:Supplement has been added to an essay has wide acceptance and sufficient vetting to be linked from a policy or guideline page.

WP:ESSAY and WP:PGE both have the Supplement tag applied, and while they are not policies and recommend against quoting them as policies, they state that there is no clear distinction between essays, policies, and guidelines because certain essays do have wide acceptance such that they are widely quoted in discussions. WP:NAV-WITHIN also has the Supplement tag applied. While WP:ATC does not, the footnote to WP:SUPPLEMENTAL also states the Supplement tag does not indicate a "higher status" within the community for an essay, only the degree of acceptance and vetting. Likewise, it does not mean that the advice of a non-explanatory essay should be arbitrarily ignored, only that it does not have the official status and binding requirements of a policy or guideline any more than an explanatory essay does.

The problem here is it wasn't made very clear that the deletion request concerns you removing items from existing navboxes without discussion and then thinking they require their own navbox. Nope. I am attempting to follow the letter and principles of the WP:NAVBOX and WP:UNDUE policies with guidance from the WP:NAV and WP:ATC essays. By reverting the biography templates back to revision that do not clearly reflect those policies and essay guidance, you are not. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 16:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Unnecessary duplication of navigation function already handled by individual presidents' navboxes. --woodensuperman 09:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Well, they did until CommonKnowledgeCreator split these in a campaign of edit-warring, canvassing and wikilawyering. I don't know where we are with any of this now, and quite frankly the walls of text the above editor has written all over the place is just too much to read. So striking my !vote, but would recommend that we go back to the status quo and discuss the split before making these changes, rather than the other way around. --woodensuperman 13:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: The purpose of navboxes, and series templates, is to connect and categorize articles sharing common topics or concerns. There are plenty of examples of navboxes both larger (here) and smaller (here), which have existed without controversy. In the cases of these templates, why eliminate the connections they currently make by making busywork of trimming them down, and/or shuffling them around? They collapse, anyway, I don't think they're an eyesore. Rebestalic^{[leave a message....]} 13:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Rebestalic, you may have misunderstood this confusing nomination. The presidency of each U.S. president is and was already listed on their individual navboxes (see {{Woodrow Wilson}} for example. An editor then inexplicably broke off the presidency topics on some of the navboxes in order to isolate them. If too large they can be collapsed on the individual navboxes, that's what collapsed sections are for. This nomination does not remove the topics, it just brings them back to their long-time use. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, Thank you for the clarification; I did misunderstand! Well, with many individuals whose career was particularly defining, it can become artificial to try and separate these elements. Their work becomes their life.

Support Rebestalic^{[leave a message....]} 13:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Rebestalic. The separate Jimmy Carter navbox was already deleted per an TfD, and the {{Jimmy Carter}} navbox has since been stripped of Carter's presidency again! Carter's presidency now exists nowhere in navbox form except in memory, or until someone puts it back (I've been accused of edit warring for simply replacing undiscussed deletions such as that). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

July 29

Template:Accordionists by nationality and century category header

• Template:Accordionists by nationality and century category header  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Drummers by nationality and century category header  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Guitarists by nationality and century category header  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Pianists by nationality and century category header  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Violinists by nationality and century category header  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging All of the above together.
These category templates basically set three parameters:

• |Occupation=
• |JobPortal=
• |ParentOccupation=

Where the last two are the same value between the templates.

|Occupation= can be easily retrieved by using {{last word|{{PAGENAME}}}}, thus eliminating the need for endlessly creating these template for every single item, and using code to handle things more efficiently. Gonnym (talk) 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Lean oppose for now. Hey there (as the template creators); I don't think that "|Occupation= can be easily retrieved by using {{last word|{{PAGENAME<nowiki>}}}" this actually applies. There are several nationalities that follow the structure of FOOians from COUNTRY, such as the Russian Empire and Georgia, and Northern Ireland. So it would not always grab the template. I do think that this could be generalized to a broader range of musical instruments, but not how you have described it. Part of the advantage of making the template specific to a given occupation is to keep flexibility if the parents change or another parent category is added. Each of the nominated templates have different parent categories.

• accordionists is parented by Aerophone players and Keyboardists
• pianists is parented by Category:Keyboardists,
• violinists is parented by Category:Bowed-string musicians,
• guitarists is parented by Category:String musicians,
• drummers is parented by Category:Percussionists

At the present, I have not coded those in because those categories aren't sliced up by century at the moment. But merging them, as you have suggested, would eliminate that possibility down the line. I could see creating another layer on top that called a specific subtemplate based on the presence of a specific occupation, similar ot how Template:Diffusing occupation by nationality and century category header current works using |"{{#if:{{in string|source={{PAGENAME}}|target=FOO INSTRUMENT|plain=true|nomatch=}}". But I really would be reluctant to overgeneralize it. Mason (talk) 23:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Overgeneralizing this system is much more better than having hundreds of similar templates like this. The maintenance burden in continuing with your current system is just insane. Regarding countries that won't work in the proposal, if you show a current category that it fails with it, I'm sure we can get it to work. Also, if the templates aren't complete then please stop creating more uncomplete templates and finish the ones that you've created. Gonnym (talk) 07:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Please explain why it is "insane" to have templates that are specific to a given occupation. Right now there are 5 in your nomination, not hundreds. These templates are designed to be flexible so that changes in the category nesting can be easily applied, and ease the present burden on handling parent and child categories for a given occupation. I see this is much less burdensome than having to go through each nationality. As I already said, "At the present, I have not coded those in because those categories aren't sliced up by century at the moment. ". What I mean what there is no need right now, because the parent categories don't exist at the intersection of century and nationality. I've added in an example for accordionists [2]. I thought it wasn't a good use for resources to go through multiple if checks for categories that don't presently exist. It isn't that the templates are incomplete, its that there is the potential that these categories might eventually differ. Mason (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

For the record, I think that a couple of questions and a suggestion on my talk page would have been more constructive than using ableist language to better understand the the purpose of the templates. Mason (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  FYI. The templates are no longer identical, and have not been since a few days of the original nom. Mason (talk) 00:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette^Edit! 16:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

 Administrator note I originally closed this as merge, but the decision was contested so I have reevaluated the discussion along with the additional information from the contest.

On the one hand, I agree with Gonnym that having this level of granularity is probably excessive, and the type of musician could easily be added as a parameter or potentially hard-coded into the template logic itself. On the other hand, there are over 150 of these templates; merging five of them is not necessarily going to change the ethos of the system i.e. there are other category groups that are three/four/five levels down from the original template. To be honest, it was starting to feel like a "no consensus" close, but I then felt like this opinion was getting into supervote territory; I suppose I'll just re-open this and opine instead. I am very weakly advocating for a merge (not going to bold it though) and I feel like a broader discussion about this template family should be had (regardless of how this discussion closes) if there are concerns about getting too into the weeds about "Type A of type B of type C of subtype D found in E" templates. Primefac (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Update per below point. Primefac (talk) 13:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - easier maintenance & allowance for divergence. {{Occupation by nationality and century category header}} & subtemplates should probably be Lua-fied eventually (kind of like {{Navseasoncats}} was) to deal with the complexity, caveats, and exceptions that arise when trying to handle all subjects. Fine-grained template code is fine until then or in place of that.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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