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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
[edit]CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
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Discussions awaiting closure
[edit]- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 11 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 10 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 9 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 6 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 4 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 2 (3 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
[edit]Nomination procedure
[edit]Twinkle
[edit]You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
[edit]You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
[edit]In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 August 19|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
[edit]After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
[edit]In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
[edit]The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
[edit]- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
[edit]- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
[edit]Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
[edit]- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
[edit]- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
[edit]- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
[edit]When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
[edit]- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
[edit]If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 12:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 61 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
[edit]Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:ICC T20 World Cup navigational boxes to Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup navigational boxes – C2C: To match the parent category Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup and parent article ICC Men's T20 World Cup. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:ICC T20 World Cup squad navigational boxes to Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup squad navigational boxes – C2C: To match the parent category Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup and parent article ICC Men's T20 World Cup. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Captains General of Venezuela to Category:Captains general of Venezuela – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cultural depictions of Governors-General of the Philippines to Category:Cultural depictions of governors-general of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Captains General of the Philippines to Category:Captains general of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Military Governors of the Philippine Islands to Category:Military governors of the Philippine Islands – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Governors-General of the Philippines to Category:Governors-general of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Presidential Advisers on the Peace Process of the Philippines to Category:Presidential advisers on the peace process of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Security Advisers of the Philippines to Category:National security advisers of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Assistants to the President of the Philippines to Category:Assistants to the president of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Advisers to the President of the Philippines to Category:Advisers to the president of the Philippines – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neon drafts to Category:Neon (company) drafts – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ports and harbors of The Bahamas to Category:Ports and harbors of the Bahamas – C2A, lowercase "the" for consistency with all other subcategories of Category:The Bahamas. Wikishovel (talk) 13:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Bahamas is one of only two countries in the world where "The" is always capitalized as part of its official name, the other country being The Gambia. All the other subcategories are incorrectly named, and should have the "The" capitalized. See this source and please do not rename this category: https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/adjectives-adverbs/capitalize-the-before-country-names/ Silvertide goldwaves (talk) 17:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Prince Rui to Category:Prince Rui (瑞) – C2D & to distinguish from Category:Prince Rui (睿). Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Prince Yi(怡) to Category:Prince Yi (怡) – C2D Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Put on hold the above two. I've sent the articles to RM as using non-English text in a title for disambiguation isn't helpful. Gonnym (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Yinweiaiqing and Gonnym: the articles have been renamed to Prince Rui (created 1636). I presume the categories can be speedily renamed accordingly? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Gonnym (talk) 07:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- RELISTED after RM:
- Fine by me. Gonnym (talk) 07:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yinweiaiqing and Gonnym: the articles have been renamed to Prince Rui (created 1636). I presume the categories can be speedily renamed accordingly? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Put on hold the above two. I've sent the articles to RM as using non-English text in a title for disambiguation isn't helpful. Gonnym (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sheikh Mujibur Rahman family to Category:Tungipara Sheikh family – C2D. Mclay1 (talk) 04:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Fateh Ali Khan family to Category:Family of Fateh Ali Khan (Qawwali singer) – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 04:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Muhammad Iqbal family to Category:Family of Muhammad Iqbal – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 04:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ahmed Raza Khan family to Category:Family of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 04:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jefferson Davis family to Category:Family of Jefferson Davis – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Robert Lucas family to Category:Family of Robert Lucas (governor) – C2C: per Category:Families by person. Mclay1 (talk) 04:10, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Negros Island to Category:Negros – C2D. HueMan1 (talk) 00:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murdoch University Vice-Chancellors to Category:Vice chancellors of Murdoch University – C2C: Consistency with most categories under Category:Vice-chancellors by university in Australia and remove hyphen per university usage (see https://www.murdoch.edu.au/explore/leadership-governance/senior-leadership-team) WikiEditor50 (talk) 00:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murdoch University Chancellors to Category:Chancellors of Murdoch University – C2C: Consistency with most categories under Category:Chancellors by university in Australia WikiEditor50 (talk) 23:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Western Australia chancellors to Category:Chancellors of the University of Western Australia – C2C: Consistency with most categories under Category:Chancellors by university in Australia WikiEditor50 (talk) 23:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Western Australia vice-chancellors to Category:Vice-chancellors of the University of Western Australia – C2C: Consistency with most category names under Category:Vice-chancellors by university in Australia WikiEditor50 (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice Chancellors of the University of Wollongong to Category:Vice-chancellors of the University of Wollongong – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES and add hyphen as per university usage (https://www.uow.edu.au/about/our-people/leadership/) WikiEditor50 (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British police officers in Ceylon to Category:British police officers in British Ceylon – C2C: grandparent is British expatriates in British Ceylon Mason (talk) 23:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British civil servants in Ceylon to Category:British civil servants in British Ceylon – C2C: parents are all "in British Ceylon" including British expatriates in British Ceylon Mason (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice Chancellors of Flinders University to Category:Vice-chancellors of Flinders University – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES and add hyphen as per the university's usage (see https://www.flinders.edu.au/directory/index.cfm/search/structure?oustructlevel=OFFICEOFTHEVICE-CHANCELLOR&oulevel=3) WikiEditor50 (talk) 22:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial American poets to Category:Poets from the Thirteen Colonies – C2C: parent is Writers from the Thirteen Colonies and per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_7#Category:American_colonial_writers Please leave redirect for the category header template. Mason (talk) 22:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice Chancellors of the University of South Australia to Category:Vice chancellors of the University of South Australia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 22:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mathematicians from the Polish–Lithuanian commonwealth to Category:Mathematicians from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2A: "Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth" is capitalized Mason (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors from the Polish–Lithuanian commonwealth to Category:Actors from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2A: Commonwealth should be capitalized Mason (talk) 15:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval women of the Holy Roman Empire to Category:Medieval women from the Holy Roman Empire – C2C: Parents are Category:Medieval people from the Holy Roman Empire and Women from the Holy Roman Empire. Please leave behind a redirect for the category header template Mason (talk) 15:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Low importance Oral tradition articles to Category:Low-importance Oral tradition articles – Assessment categories Kowal2701 (talk) 08:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mid importance Oral tradition articles to Category:Mid-importance Oral tradition articles – Assessment categories Kowal2701 (talk) 08:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Top importance Oral tradition articles to Category:Top-importance Oral tradition articles – Assessment categories Kowal2701 (talk) 08:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:High importance Oral tradition articles to Category:High-importance Oral tradition articles – Assessment categoriesKowal2701 (talk) 08:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rivers of Hades to Category:Rivers of the Greek underworld – C2C: per Category:Greek underworld. Mclay1 (talk) 07:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Space MOGs to Category:Space multiplayer online games – C2C: We currently do not have any categories that use the acronym "MMORPGs", so we should rename this category. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Perseid dynasty to Category:Perseides – C2D: per Perseides. Mclay1 (talk) 04:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Archaeological artifacts of India to Category:Archaeological artefacts of India – C2A/C2C: per WP:ENGVAR and Indian English. Mclay1 (talk) 03:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kings of Minyan Orchomenus to Category:Kings of Orchomenus (Boeotia) – C2D: per Orchomenus (Boeotia). Mclay1 (talk) 02:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary to Category:Statues of Mary, mother of Jesus – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 01:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion. I don't think this will be uncontroversial. Wikipedia:Category names § Works of art categories by subject could come into play here, although "Virgin" tout court, rather than "Virgin Mary", is what tends to appear more often in titles of artworks. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Mclay1 (talk) 16:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion. I don't think this will be uncontroversial. Wikipedia:Category names § Works of art categories by subject could come into play here, although "Virgin" tout court, rather than "Virgin Mary", is what tends to appear more often in titles of artworks. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sculptures of the Virgin Mary to Category:Sculptures of Mary, mother of Jesus – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 01:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion; see Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary above. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Prints of the Virgin Mary to Category:Prints of Mary, mother of Jesus – C2C. Mclay1 (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion; see Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary above. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Paintings of the Virgin Mary to Category:Paintings of Mary, mother of Jesus – C2C: per Category:Mary, mother of Jesus. Mclay1 (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion; see Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary above. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Virgin Mary in art to Category:Mary, mother of Jesus, in art – C2C: per Category:Mary, mother of Jesus and Category:Portrayals of Mary, mother of Jesus, in film. Mclay1 (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion; see Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary above. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Paintings of the Assumption of the Virgin to Category:Paintings of the Assumption of Mary – C2C: also C2D. Mclay1 (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion; see Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary above. The Wikipedia:Category names § Works of art categories by subject argument applies most strongly here. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Moved this one to its own full discussion. Mclay1 (talk) 16:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full discussion; see Category:Statues of the Virgin Mary above. The Wikipedia:Category names § Works of art categories by subject argument applies most strongly here. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Shrines to the Virgin Mary to Category:Shrines to Mary, mother of Jesus – C2C: per Category:Mary, mother of Jesus. Also C2D. Mclay1 (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. I see that Mclay1 moved the article from Shrines to the Virgin Mary to Shrines to Mary, mother of Jesus two weeks ago. Marian shrines might be a preferable title, per ngrams. Ham II (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)- @Ham II: Surely we should move the category to match the current article name (which is consistent with other Mary articles and categories) and then have a discussion on the article talk page about renaming the article? No point having two different names in the meantime. Mclay1 (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK, that's fair. I've struck my opposition and will do an RM at some point. Ultimately I think this category should be at Category:Marian shrines and Category:Holy wells of St Mary should be at Category:Marian holy wells. Ham II (talk) 06:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this is not uncontroversial, considering the parallel discussions in full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK, that's fair. I've struck my opposition and will do an RM at some point. Ultimately I think this category should be at Category:Marian shrines and Category:Holy wells of St Mary should be at Category:Marian holy wells. Ham II (talk) 06:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ham II: Surely we should move the category to match the current article name (which is consistent with other Mary articles and categories) and then have a discussion on the article talk page about renaming the article? No point having two different names in the meantime. Mclay1 (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:Titans (mythology) to Category:Titans – C2D: per Titans. Previously speedied the other way just before the article was moved to the current title. Mclay1 (talk) 13:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not speediable because of Titan. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. I really don't like that rule, especially if its been speedied one way per C2D but then can't be reversed even though it would still be under the original name had it not been moved in the first place. Mclay1 (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems easy to confuse it with many sports teams. Mason (talk) 00:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- (Not opposing, just an observation.) Mason (talk) 00:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- True. Mclay1 (talk) 12:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems easy to confuse it with many sports teams. Mason (talk) 00:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. I really don't like that rule, especially if its been speedied one way per C2D but then can't be reversed even though it would still be under the original name had it not been moved in the first place. Mclay1 (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not speediable because of Titan. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lu state people to Category:People of Lu (state) – C2C
- Category:Chu state people to Category:People of Chu (state) – C2C
- Category:People from Shu (state) to Category:People of Shu (state) – C2C Yinweiaiqing (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. How are these C2C? I oppose changing from FOO to of FOO because the norm has been to rename in the opposite redirect.Mason (talk) 00:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: These are pretty clearly C2C looking at Category:Zhou dynasty people by state, Category:Chu (state) (article is Chu (state)), Category:Shu (state) (article is Lu (state)). Hey man im josh (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with People from Lu (state), because the norm is from, not of. Mason (talk) 00:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: are you ok with "from" too? If not, this should go to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Category:Zhou dynasty people by state has 17 categories, three of which were part of this nom. I don't feel particular strongly, but I would expect that someone would immediately follow up with the other 13 categories in that category that use "people of", to make it consistent. I would also very much appreciate a link to a discussion that led to consensus about using "people from" instead of "people of", preferably on my talk page, for my own reference and notes to share to others in situations like this. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: are you ok with "from" too? If not, this should go to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with People from Lu (state), because the norm is from, not of. Mason (talk) 00:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: These are pretty clearly C2C looking at Category:Zhou dynasty people by state, Category:Chu (state) (article is Chu (state)), Category:Shu (state) (article is Lu (state)). Hey man im josh (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Netflix television dramas to Category:Netflix original television series – C2C. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 16:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy: The current name follows the name format for subcats in Category:Drama television series by network, and multiple subcats of Category:Netflix original programming don't follow the proposed format. The rename would also change the scope from drama to all television series. Mclay1 (talk) 13:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @Mclay1 There's a subcat Category:Netflix original television series episodes and Category:Netflix original documentary television series, so what do you mean by "
..don't follow the proposed format..
"? And the former should be under this cat when renamed not in the parent cat. The scope should really change as all sources, be it reliable or not, label all of them as Netflix original series not Netflix television dramas. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 19:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)- I mean not all of the Netflix categories follow that format, such as Category:Netflix original anime. Also, drama is a genre. Not all Netflix original series are dramas. Your proposal requires another CfD. It's not speediable. Alternatively, you could create it as a new category, and this category would be a subcategory, but I'd say it's unnecessary since Category:Netflix original films already exists and so all other content in Category:Netflix original programming is series or specials, though I guess the category could be diffused into three subcats for those things (films, series, specials). Mclay1 (talk) 12:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @Mclay1 There's a subcat Category:Netflix original television series episodes and Category:Netflix original documentary television series, so what do you mean by "
- Oppose speedy: The current name follows the name format for subcats in Category:Drama television series by network, and multiple subcats of Category:Netflix original programming don't follow the proposed format. The rename would also change the scope from drama to all television series. Mclay1 (talk) 13:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- None currently
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:Militant Korean independence activists to Category:Militant activists for Korean independence – C2C: To match parent category Category:Activists for Korean independence, which was recently renamed in a move discussion from Category:Korean independence activists seefooddiet (talk) 00:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full. I support the rename, but... I want to take this to full because this category doesn't seem defining. There's no parent category for Category:Militant activists. How is this different from the parent category Category:Korean guerrillas? Mason (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full. I support the rename, but... I want to take this to full because this category doesn't seem defining. There's no parent category for Category:Militant activists. How is this different from the parent category Category:Korean guerrillas? Mason (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian baseball players by province or territory – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- This was relisted. – Fayenatic London 10:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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