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Reviving TF PH History

I personally think it's a long time coming that we revive the history task force. I'm noticing some activity in this project recently and there's no shortage of things to do PH history-wise. If there's enough support, we can start clean, have a new to-do list, maybe even drum up interest with an edit-a-thon or something. What does everybody else think? NyanThousand (talk) 06:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Surprised that I was unaware of this TF while I was building up articles. Do sign me up. Borgenland (talk) 07:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be willing to help. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 19:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! With CMD that makes four. I'm going to change the status of the TF and add your names. I'm thinking we should start with cleaning house and getting things in order. Sort out to-do lists, make sure scope is well-defined, that sort of thing. NyanThousand (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in. - Chieharumachi (talk) 02:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to everybody showing interest! I've started a discussion in the TF talk page about scope and tasks so feel free to chime in! NyanThousand (talk) 03:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible socking

Did we have a user who had to be blocked for contentious editing on Philippine TV? I recall being in conflict with a crappy editor (whose name I can't recall) who tried to POV push their way by demanding that their be untouchable for "not being vandalism" in 2023 and now I have this newbie editor making undiscussed moves to Jhoanna (singer) and having [1] similar edit summaries to the account I discussed. Borgenland (talk) 02:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Move discussion

Not sure if I'm doing the template right, but a move discussion in ongoing on Talk:Jhoanna (singer). Interested editors are invited to participate. Borgenland (talk) 03:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UP Diliman Units

Hi, I noticed that some of the various colleges, institutes, schools, and sattelite campuses of the University of the Philippines Diliman have wikipedia pages while some of the others do not. A fellow editor has explained to me that this is often a notability issue but to me, it is a bit strange that the UP Diliman College of Science has a page while, say, the University of the Philippines Diliman College of Social Sciences and Philosophy or the UP Diliman Extension Program in Pampanga (which is quite nearly its own entity in Clark, with a history different from the Diliman campus) do not. I would like to work on this, but need clarification about the reasons some units are notable while some are not. So I am seeking discussion? - 01:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC) F72mabalacat (talk) 01:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think WP:UNIGUIDE is your guide. Most universities are notable, but individual units of a university aren't presumed notable so the WP:GNG prevails. —seav (talk) 06:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images of National Scientists

Hello, I've noticed quite a number of articles of the National Scientists of the Philippines don't use the official photos from NAST. For guidance I've uploaded a chart, taken from the pdf file of NAST's 2018 annual meeting featuring every official photos of National Scientists from 1978 to 2014. It's outdated I know but some of these photos has already been uploaded in Wikimedia Commons and has been used in some of the biographies here in English Wikipedia.

Link: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portraits_of_the_National_Scientists_of_the_Philippines_(1978%E2%80%932014).png AsianStuff03 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if there are high-resolution versions of the portraits available from NAST so we can upload those instead of having to crop the PDF multiple times. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 14:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The unedited photos can be found from their official website here. You can find them in their respective profiles. I have uploaded some of these such as those of Juan Salcedo, Jr. and Gregorio Zara but many of the photos hasn't still been uploaded in Commons. AsianStuff03 (talk) 22:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 August 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines be renamed and moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines.

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Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines → Wikipedia:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines – WikiProjects start with the "WikiProjects" prefix. This is also what the lead sentence uses in this project page. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find the last RM, but this has definitely been proposed before. Anyone know where that was? CMD (talk) 11:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This may be a controversial and probably unpopular opinion, but why not just move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines? HueMan1 (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support this proposal for standardization and simplicity. Sanglahi86 (talk) 12:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Agree~~ Neutral based on feedback from Sky Harbor below. I understand the prestige of the page being under the Tambayan Philippines title for almost 20 years now and I agree it could be nice to keep the name as it is. If in any case it would be required that the WikiProject be suffixed to the page's name, I remain supporting the version raised by HueMan1 and with same reason as Sanglahi86; standardization and simplicity. Markoolio97 Markoolio97 (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current name adds a bit of flavor, I don't see the value in going generic for the sake of it. CMD (talk) 14:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, we already use "WikiProject Tambayan Philippines" in assessment templates, which I believe is clear enough in signaling that we are a WikiProject. I think we can do more to highlight the fact that we are a WikiProject, which I believe is Gonnym's intention (though I'm also inclined to believe that they aren't Filipino), but I imagine we can do so while leaving the project's name intact, no? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 17:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, folks. I need to add a bit of context here as to why this is "Tambayan Philippines" and not "WikiProject Philippines". This WikiProject actually started off as the Philippines noticeboard, and the WikiProject came afterward. There was an attempt to move this to "WikiProject Philippines" back around 2006 or so alongside instituting a proper WikiProject, but it was unsuccessful and the WikiProject elements of this board came a bit later after that discussion which, among others, led to the banning of a user from the English Wikipedia. Something that I regret happened on here and I wish will never again happen here.

That being said, I don't see the utility in moving the name of the project. This place, its WikiProject features notwithstanding, is first and foremost a noticeboard and gathering place for Filipino Wikipedians. I think it's important that while we as a community continue to move ahead and grow, we must do so with respect to some of our most cherished traditions which tie us together. The name of this project, if you ask me, is one of them, and for that I must respectfully vote Oppose. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This might possibly be the earliest suggestion to move to WikiProject Philippines as mentioned above Markoolio97 (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone asks the user referred to as "Akira123323" is me. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose removal of the T-word. Although I honestly sometimes omit the T-word when categorizing articles out of laziness, I find it useful in searching for my home project. Although Wikipedia is supposed to be a sober encyclopedia I don't think this has to mean we have to be ultra-conformist as regards to the naming standards, especially since there is nothing disruptive to it. On a personal note, it also makes visitors less scared to visit the project once they get to know the meaning of it. Borgenland (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Is there an actual policy or guideline violation here? I scanned WP:PROJGUIDE and it doesn't say anywhere there that WikiProject names must start with that prefix. This proposed move seems like a move for the sake of unnecessary consistency and also in the project namespace for which we should be less pedantic compared to mainspace. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. —seav (talk) 17:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't see the point in changing the name. It's clear and works fine as it is. Let's not fix something that isn't broken. Waqar💬 17:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rhetorical question, Is the name intended to indicate that this an in-group hangout place on the English WP for Tagalog-speakers interested in presentation re the Philippines here? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not seeing any benefit from migrating the Tambayan's name. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at RSN on Peoplaid.com

There is a discussion on RSN about Peoplaid.com, that could be of interest to this project. Direct link WP:RSN#Peoplaid.com and geni.com. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 11:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 10#Manalo Cult

Hi all, you might want to take a look at this redirect for discussion as it is a complex topic. Lenticel ^(talk) 01:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review of Valenzuela400's contribution

Can other editors review Valenzuela400's contribution at Niño Muhlach#Personal life, specifically this? There may be possible WP:NEWSPAPER issue here. Problematic overlinking too as is the characteristics of many of this user's contributions. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just WP:BOLD wiped off the offending sections on grounds of WP:UNDUE as he is not the principal complainant in his son's sexual harassment case. Borgenland (talk) 07:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also noting that they also have a worrying trend of uploading copyvio images of Philippine architecture as seen in their talk page. Borgenland (talk) 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Borgenland you may mean "public art" (like monuments and historic plaques/markers). English Wikipedia only respects the laws of the United States and does not need to respect the laws of the Philippines, because enwiki is not hosted and served in the Philippines (rather it is served and hosted in the U.S.). U.S. Copyright Law allows commercial exploitations of copyrighted architecture without architects' licensing authorizations, and so U.S. law applies to the images of unfree Philippine buildings ({{FoP-USonly}}). As the U.S. law does not provide FoP for copyrighted artworks and monuments, these plaques and recent monuments are not OK to be hosted locally. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of some Philippines entries from List of historical unrecognized states

I tought I would mention this here in case of interest. See Talk:List of historical unrecognized states#Philippines. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]