Talk:Aisha

Source for aidha birthdate

i don't see any sources for aisha being born in 614 in the article 197.48.252.182 (talk) 07:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

See the first sentence in the section titled "Early life". There are two sources cited. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

That's because it's fake. If you read Sunna you'll find this tradition Arabs had where they started counting their age after puberty(some examples would be like in the seera where Ali was 10 approximately during hijra which is relatively impossible -because he was close to this age when Muhammad first got the revelation-, same goes for a sahabi that said he used to lead prayer when he was 7yo).

Another point is the fact that Aisha was 10 years younger than her sister Asma who was 27 during hijra, making Aisha's age 17 at hijra and 18-19 the following year when she consummated the marriage. 77.205.21.218 (talk) 11:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

It is not fake. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 03:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Real Age Range

This is fake. If you read Sunna you'll find this tradition Arabs had where they started counting their age after puberty(some examples would be like in the Seera where Ali was 10 approximately during hijra which is relatively impossible -because he was close to this age when Muhammad first got the revelation-, same goes for a sahabi that said he used to lead prayer when he was 7yo). Another point is the fact that Aisha was 10 years younger than her sister Asma who was 27 during hijra, making Aisha's age 17 at hijra and 18-19 the following year when she consummated the marriage. 77.205.21.218 (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please can you provide references to reliable secondary sources that support what you say. Wikipedia is not interested in editors' interpretation of primary sources.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Aisha's Age

The age for Aisha doesn't exactly seem right. We know from sources of Islamic times (Sahih al-Bukhari 2664) that those under the age of 15 weren't allowed to even be within the presence of the battlefield, yet we see Aisha during Battle of Uhud (where she's either supposedly 11 or 12) serving as a field medic and delivering large quantities of water to soldiers (Sahih al-Bukhari 2880).

The statement that claims that Aisha was either 6 or 9 during the time of marriage is Sahih al-Bukhari 5134. The problem starts with the fact that this particular Hadith can be traced back to one narrator called Hishām ibn ʿUrwa. He narrated this Hadith when he was in Iraq, between the years 754 and 765 CE. Not only would this put the circulation of this report almost a century and a half after the events it purports to describe, but it would also mean that Hishām dropped this tale in the altogether different environment of Iraq, almost 1,000 miles away from the Arabian city of Medina (where the marriage would have taken place). Al-Bukhari, Muslim, and others have narrated this Hadith through the chain of Hisham from his father Urwah from Aisha. We can consider the possibility that Urwah is the source of the original narration, and then his son Hisham added more details and pushed Aisha's age number lower to 6 and 9. It is possible that Hishām could not remember the true marital age of Aisha due to bad memory in his old age when he was in Iraq. According to a number of muḥaddithūn (traditionists), most notably Ibn Ḥajar (852/1449) and al-Dhahabī (748/1348), Hishām ibn ʿUrwa was not a trustworthy narrator in his old age in Iraq.

There's also more logical convictions against this; such as Aisha being the height to Muhammad's shoulders. It should be noted that Muhammad was stated to be the "perfect height," neither too tall or too short. As a result, the fact a 6 year old could achieve anything close to that height is illogical.

There's also Sahih al-Bukhari 2297, which states that Aisha was able to remember the expedition to Ethiopia by Abu Bakr. Sahih al-Bukhari 476 also repeats the same thing. Age of intelligence likely means around 10, and this would line up with the other hadiths such as Battle of Uhud. This expedition took place in 615 CE. If Aisha was 6 when she married Muhammad, she wouldn't be alive in 615 CE. If she was 9, she'd be one year old. Regardless of interpretation, this still makes this hadith literally illogical. If Aisha was born in 605 CE, that'd make her 10 when the expedition happened, and 18 when marrying Muhammad, and 20 during the Battle of Uhud.

"While I was a young girl (jariyah in arabic) of playing age, the following Verse was revealed in Mecca to Muhammad: 'Nay! But the Hour is their appointed time (for their full recompense), and the Hour will be more grievous and more bitter.' (54.46)" (Sahih al-Bukhari 4993)., Surah 54 of the Quran was revealed around 4 to 5 years after the first revelation to the Prophet (610 CE) making it around 614 - 615. Again, with the current age listed, Aisha being a young girl let alone remembering the Surah being revealed is literally impossible. EgyptianNationalist (talk) 05:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

All of the above constitutes original research and synthesis of a conclusion from sources, ending with an editorial comment resembling an argument from personal incredulity. The sources mentioned are primary sources, which we cannot use for presenting historical facts. None of the above is actionable for changing what the article already says on the subject of Aisha's age.

This page isn't a forum for discussion of a topic, it's for suggesting improvements to the article, and you have not done so. As stated in the section immediately above, "Wikipedia is not interested in editors' interpretation of primary sources." If you want to propose an improvement to the article, you're going to have to cite secondary mainstream scholarly sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)