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Buick Logo Image

The picture used for the Buick logo is very poor quality. Can someone upload a better one? GMexcellence (talk) 05:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to add the images but the stupid people keep deleting it on a false copyright violation claim. GM clearly say that the logo can be used for free use if for editorial comment. I'm tired of fighting stupid here. I'll give someone else a try. Brout8 (talk) 19:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added the logo to the article Flow234 (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IPA character set

The IPA pronunciation of Buick is not displayed correctly in the first paragraph. I'd change it myself but when I try, I get little squares instead of the characters I'm trying to insert --Thanatosil 19:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

David Dunbar Buick

David Buick invented something considerably more important than the enamelled bathtub and much more relevant to this article. He invented the overhead valve engine on which Buick built its fortune and which all car companies now use. You don't see a lot of sidevalve engines any more. That is much more relevant to the article than the enamelled bathtub. Yet it's not even mentioned. The article also neglects to discuss the process by which he was manoeuvred out the car company by the money men, in itself a fascinating story. -- Derek Ross | Talk 21:51, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Good point. What I liked about the bathtub though was that its just one of those things that you never expected, but everybody uses. Could we add it back in as an also, or do you feel its best to remove it totally. user: stude62 user talk:stude62 01:13, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to seem prejudiced against bathtubs (or lawn sprinklers for that matter), so I don't think that the information should be removed totally and permanently! And I can see your point about a fact that deserves to be more widely known. I think that the best solution would be to create the David Dunbar Buick article, which is overdue anyway, and put the information about his important inventions there. -- Derek Ross | Talk 16:39, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. —Morven 20:37, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Derek- A good idea. I know very little about D.D. Buick, could you do an article or a quick stub? user: stude62 user talk:stude62 22:46, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well that makes two of us, stude, but I will do what I can to put something together in honour of a fellow Arbroathian even if it will be a bit stubby. -- Derek Ross | Talk 00:44, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

How's it pronounced " BUICK" ?

I'm inclined to agree the engine design is more important to the industry, but without the $$ from the enamel process, the Buick car company wouldn't have been formed, which was, I think, the point. Trekphiler 02:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the addition of "luxury" by 68.72.20.71. I'm a Buick fan, but realistically Cadillac is GM's luxury marque and Buick has never been more than a "near luxury" line (to use the phrase that seems to be current nowadays). Some Buicks have even been rather plain! I'll probably revert this unless a good counterargument appears. RivGuySC 03:23, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought so too.Gzuckier 16:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I amplified the last edit on the logo design somewhat. It is not always depicted in color, either in advertising or on the cars, although it may be. RivGuySC 19:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody identify who conceived the Ventiports? I've heard the name, but don't recall it. Also, I question the definition of "nailhead" as referring to the valvecovers; I always understood it referred to the vertical valvestems in the block. Can someone confirm? Also, it seems to me the article needs some work on the history of the company and its impact on the industry, not least a mention of the Buick/Olds aluminum 215 V8, used until recently by BLMC, and the Buick musclecars. Trekphiler 02:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to extend the "model year" sidebar backward to include all past models? And can someone include information on how body styles were shared across GM? (For instance, the '50 Olds 88 matched the Chevy, more or less.) Trekphiler 04:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

Should this article be considered for a rewrite? Having reread it for the first time in years, it seems to have become worse rather than better. It isn't the facts, its the writing style that is stilted and awkward. Sjkoblentz (talk) 19:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Explaination of Edit

I edited the Buick in China section where it mentioned the GL8 because it said the GL8 was a modified version of the Terraza, while it is actually based on the last generation of GM minivans. Since Buick didn't have a version of that van, I used the Montana because Pontiac is the closest related to Buick corporately of Pontiac, Chevrolet, and Oldsmobile (who had a version of the van) and because the GL8 page says it is related to the Montana. Bok269 19:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

220.136.51.183 (talk) 15:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)== Buick in China ==[reply]

I recall reading somewhere that GM was only allowed into China if they branded all their cars Buicks. Any truth to that? FunkyChicken! 23:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I read something similar too. Apparently Buick was well-known in Asia before WWII, and the Chinese remembered it favorably. But I can't cite a reference--sorry. And I think GM is marketing other nameplates there now. RivGuySC 05:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you can only sell products in China as long as the products are MADE in China. They won't import. That's why there are Buick plants over there.

The founding father of modern China, Republic of China (ROC, but now in Taiwan), Dr. Sun Yat Sen and the Premier of the first Premier of the People's Republic of China (PRC), Zhou Enlai’s official cars were Buick. In China, there are locally made Buick, as well as import, a Cadillac and most of the Chevrolet.

The modern day Buick all have the two character lines on the side of the vehicle called the “Double Sweep Spear”, a term invented by James Shyr, the then Director of Design at the GM’s China design studio, also know as "PATAC". It first appears on the Buick Riviera concept car (2007 Shanghai Auto Show), the break-through design of the modern day Buick from James Shyr’s GM China design studio, as well as the second generation Buick Lacrosse, also a collaborated design by the same studio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.136.51.183 (talk) 14:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Errata

Obbop says, it would be groovy if someone in the know could add information about the Grand National. It was an awesomely fast/quick car during a period when the typical American car was choking on smog equipment and struggling to get out of its own way.

Anuddah' thing, can anybody confirm sumpthin' I read many moons ago? Sumpthin' about Chevrolet considered by GM to be their entry-level line with Oldsmobile being a step up then Buick then Cadillac. That was a general guideline with a few obvious exceptions. I believe that in the 1970s that GMC started getting away from that "ladder of models" that generally correlated with socio-economic demographics. Or sumpthin' like that. Obbop told yah' this. 209.50.1.74 23:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Updates

12.7.06 - Streamlined the rather cluttered and disorganized collection of External Links. Divided into two section (Official and Enthusiast) and related model-specific links to their respective pages. Flybrian 02:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

12.25.07 - Edited the opening passage to replace "Israel" with "Middle East." I know for a fact that Buicks are sold in the GCC countries (Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.136.42 (talk) 20:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation & Buick's future.

I removed some speculation on Buick's future that was based solely on lineup changes. The Rainier (2004) and Terraza (2005) and even Rendezvous (2002) were recent additions to the buick lineup, it's hardly fair to use that as a sign that the brand is on its way out. As time went on, these became overlapping models, and were replaced by a single model, the Enclave. The Lacrosse replaced BOTH the Regal and Century, another pair of overlapping models, and similarly, the Lucerne replaced both the Lesabre and Park Avenue. 1999 was the last model year for the Riviera, so claiming 'since 2000' is somewhat questionable. However, there isn't much of a market for large coupes anyways (production of the Monte Carlo and Grand Prix coupe has also ended) so again, it's hardly fair to use that to claim the brands future is questionable.

Now, if an actual source, maybe some quotes from upper gm management, was used regarding the brands future, that would make more sense than pure speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottr76 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

China market size?

The section on China first says: “Buick has stated that it expects China to become its second largest market.″ Then it says: “Making up nearly 35% of those sales, China is Buick's largest market.” So which is it? 128.223.6.140 (talk) 18:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Buick Pickup" I don't think so.

That so-called "Buick Pickup" is actually a 1951 or 1952 Ford F-Series. Perhaps somebody swapped a Buick engine in the thing, but that's no Buick. ----DanTD (talk) 12:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest Brand

How is this the oldest brand? Cadillac was founded in 1902. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.144.32.165 (talk) 02:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not oldest company, oldest marque. The first car called a Buick was a 1899 hand-made car made by Buick employee Walter Marr and sold to him by David Buick.DigbyDalton (talk) 04:17, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great now please may we have a citation to support that. At least somewhere within the article. Eddaido (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get you one prontoDigbyDalton (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't have to, it's already there under the heading Early Years.-DigbyDalton (talk) 04:29, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you refer to the first paragraph under Early Years there is no citation. That is what we must have just as with your production OHV motor and referring to a table by "carnet" including T-head engines is a bit rough. Eddaido (talk) 04:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Who is stopping you?DigbyDalton (talk) 16:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry DigbyD but I don't follow what you are trying to say. Please try me in different words.
It is startling how little there is in the way of citations on this article. Wouldn't you agree? Eddaido (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean by that. Citations added. DigbyDalton (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "Who is stopping you?" a few lines up above? Eddaido (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Man, I feel like a Buick

"Durant was a natural". Two problems. It's a bit POV, & it's far from clear "natural what?" I'm thinking "salesman" or "promoter", which fits with what I've read of him, but... TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 03:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of corrections?

In the opening paragraph you identify Oldsmobile as an entry level luxury car. This is the first time that I have heard Olds described that way. It has usually been regarded as a mid-priced car.

When you mention some of the oldest marquees in automobiles you left out Ford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.190.201 (talk) 22:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Entry-level luxury brand"

Can someone explain what "entry-level luxury" means? It's jargon I don't understand. (I'm a native English speaker.) To me, "entry-level" suggests inexpensive and basic, whereas "luxury" suggests expensive and with frills. I don't see how you can have both together. There's not too much point explaining it here: the article itself should make it clear, e.g. with links. 86.0.200.220 (talk) 01:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Buick models or at leas link to such an article?

I can't find a list of Buick models or even a link to an article along the lines of "Buick car models". Shouldn't there perhaps be one in this article? Or is there one, but I simply missed it? - Tournesol (talk) 11:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History

No history between 1939 (end of "Early years" section) and 1984 (start of "Recent years" section)? So weird. - 79.30.244.5 (talk) 14:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ventiports

My father says back in the day people said "three-hole Buick" or " four-hole Buick" in casual conversation, as in "Joe in Accounting just got a new car: a four-hole Buick." 71.235.192.172 (talk) 12:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The 1987 Buick Grand National GNX had 4 ventiports. Not sure if Buick was responsible for this or McLaren. It should be noted either way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.241.111.230 (talk) 04:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Picture thumbnails

They looked far better inline, within the article text, than in some big ugly gray box. Please undo the change. Atarivideomusic (talk) 07:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tailfins

Suggest a shot be found of the outrageous, chrome-laden '58 Buick tail "fins" (more like tailfats) be found to illustrate the excessive glitz of the era. Sca (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Buick radiator mascot, 1930s

Buick? or just the god Mercury?

This image of a statuette of Mercury welded to a Buick radiator cap is misleading. It suggests this statuette related specially to Buick. I don't think so and I plan to remove it from the article. Does anyone mind? Eddaido (talk) 11:21, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Buick also has the distinction of being the first production automobile maker in the world to equip its cars with overhead valve engines, which it did starting in 1904.

This is a major claim but in the article it is not supported by any citation (that I can find). Can anyone provide support for the claim? Eddaido (talk) 04:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This page needs to be split into sub articles

I'd been working on adding some more detail to the decade by decade history of Buick because the sections were very short, but almost 120 years is a lot to cover and the article would become ridiculously too huge that way. Perhaps it would make sense to create a separate series of articles on Buick history so they'd be more manageable. This could probably also apply to the pages for other automotive makes.

Maybe something like History of Buick 1903-20, 1921-30, 1931-59, 1960-75, 1975-99, 2000 to present would work rather than trying to shoehorn everything into one article. 70.44.223.30 (talk) 07:50, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1960 aluminum V8

WHY IS THERE NO MENTION OF THE ALUMINUM V8 of 1960?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.20.28 (talk) 01:45, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The history and much more is very inaccurate. Read the book titled Billy Durant, creator of General Motors by Lawrence Agustin. That is just history but so much after that is incorrect.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.155.167 (talk) 14:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Too many photos

@Eothan: Hi Eothan, is there something special about the 1929 coupe? We are (less often now) told Wikipedia is Not a gallery. There are too many photos on here already but maybe those ones illustrate points made in the text? I don't know. Does this addition of yours relate somehow? You do know that there are many photos of 1929 Buicks here? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido:Hi Eddaido - I agree there are probably too many cars in the gallery and if it has been arranged chronologically to provide illustrations of new models as they were manufactured maybe its just built up over time and needs to be managed on a list/new page. I was initially thinking it would work best in the section on early history as I noticed there were a lot of recent photographs of renovated cars but not a lot from the time under discussion and this was a good profile clear picture from the period being discussed.Eothan (talk) 05:47, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Auto-Vim?

What does "Auto-Vim" mean? George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 02:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]