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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
[edit]Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)
[edit]- Dirtbag (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electro (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Firecracker (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- High Beam (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hooligan (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Manta Ray (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Powerdive → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Smokejumper (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
(My first time to nominate a group, so I'm probably doing it wrong. Feel free to edit/fix the nom as appropriate, or tell me what I need to do.) I propose we delete these 8 redirects, all of which redirect to Transformers: Generation 2. These pages appear to refer to Transformers characters/toys, although they are not mentioned at the target page. So not useful for navigation, says I, and ought to be deleted. None of these names are mentioned at Transformers, either, or I would have suggested retargeting. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 19:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of High Beam (Transformers)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
My dick is hard
[edit]I know Wikipedia isn't censored, but is this really a useful redirect? * Pppery * it has begun... 16:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For what it's worth, the same user created the redirect My dick is hard last month. They also created the redirect Female erection though, while on a related subject, seems reasonable. Largoplazo (talk) 17:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- That user you said is actually me. I will agree with Largoplazo.
- I Googled female erection and most results were about Clitoral erection.
- Penile erection redirects to erection and penile refers to penis and cock and dick is a slang that refers to penis.
- Hard cock and Hard dick redirects to Erection. Temporarily-retired-user-283828qjdjhhwkh71BQy8293 (talk) 23:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. "Hard cock" is within reason; this phrasing is novel and obscure. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: You may want to merge My dick is hard into this discussion. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA is harmfully misleading nonsense that actively contradicts WP:OTHERSTUFF. It's existence does more to harm the project than any of the redirects it advocates against. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as unambiguous and harmless. If someone is searching this title we should take them to the directly relevant encyclopaedic content we have about the subject. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why not have "why is my cock hard?", "his cock is hard", "my penis is hard", and so on and so forth? Pandora is often misapplied, but it is actually relevant here. I can go further though: firstly, this is borderline a medical inquiry/statement; we are not WebMD. For a very rough alternative example that is semi-akin to this, "Too much sugar in my blood", should not redirect to 'diabetes'. Secondly, personalized "my" statements are generally inappropriate for redirects. My can potentially go a lot of places, but that does not mean it should. E.g. "my hair" to 'human hair' or "my nose is bleeding" to 'nose bleed'. Lastly, given the subject matter, this redirect is borderline vandalism. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 12:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Why not have "why is my cock hard?", "his cock is hard", "my penis is hard", and so on and so forth?
There is no reason not to have redirects from search terms like that per se. My penis is hard and His cock is hard should clearly be redirects to Erection if someone thinks them useful enough to create. Why is my cock hard? is slightly different in that erection is still a plausible target, but there might be a better one e.g. if we have content about causes of erections somewhere (I haven't looked). Too much sugar in my blood is an accurate description of diabetes (AIUI), but it shouldn't redirect there unless it's the primary topic for that search term (again I haven't done the research). Why are redirects like My hair harmful? You've just asserted they are without any argument or evidence to back it up. The point is that we need to examine each redirect on it's own terms to determine whether they are useful search terms, what relevant targets we have and (if there is more than one) what the most appropriate is. This is the antithesis of WP:PANDORA which treats all of these redirects as harmful, without any evidence (or even thought) based on the specious argument that the existence of one redirect that is "harmful" (even if it isn't) will cause the creation of other "harmful" redirects (even though there is no evidence that such redirects will be created or that, if they are, they will be harmful). Tl'dr; WP:PANDORA is just WP:OTHERSTUFF + WP:IDONTLIKEIT + WP:CRYSTAL. Thryduulf (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I just feel that if someone is searching for this title, it's because they're stoned at 3 in the morning and calling out "Siri, go to hell", or "Alexa, can I fuck you?" to see how their smart speakers respond (because Apple and Amazon do have a sense of humor in this regard) has begun losing its entertainment value, not because they have an earnest question about something they didn't already know that the article Erection will satisfactorily answer.
- Why not have "why is my cock hard?", "his cock is hard", "my penis is hard", and so on and so forth? Pandora is often misapplied, but it is actually relevant here. I can go further though: firstly, this is borderline a medical inquiry/statement; we are not WebMD. For a very rough alternative example that is semi-akin to this, "Too much sugar in my blood", should not redirect to 'diabetes'. Secondly, personalized "my" statements are generally inappropriate for redirects. My can potentially go a lot of places, but that does not mean it should. E.g. "my hair" to 'human hair' or "my nose is bleeding" to 'nose bleed'. Lastly, given the subject matter, this redirect is borderline vandalism. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 12:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to propose that WP:NOT be expanded to include
Wikipedia is not a late-night source of giggles for drunks and tweakers.
Largoplazo (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to propose that WP:NOT be expanded to include
- Weak delete per Godsy. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the spirit of WP:NOTFAQ. Steel1943 (talk) 17:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per all. Also bundle My dick is hard, or nominate fresh. Jay 💬 19:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled with "My dick is hard" as suggested twice in this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Le Clique: Vida Rockstar (X)
[edit]- Le Clique: Vida Rockstar (X) → Jhayco (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Timelezz → Jhayco (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:REDLINK. Le Clique has no incoming links and Timelezz only has one. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Both are very reasonable search terms as albums released by the artist. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
[edit]- Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals → Family of Joe Biden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of his uncle being eaten by cannibals at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Amazingly to me this isn't just vandalism - Joe Biden's Uncle (Probably) Wasn't Eaten by Cannibals - but it isn't mentioned, and as far as I can tell, has never been mentioned at the target article or anywhere else on Wikipedia. It is mentioned at q:Joe Biden#April 2024 but I don't think someone using this search term is looking for the quote but rather information about Biden's uncle (Ambrose J. Finnegan Jr.) and they won't find that at Wikiquote, or indeed more than a sentence at Family of Joe Biden#Maternal. Thryduulf (talk) 23:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf. Thought for sure this was an obvious hoax/attack page, but no, it was a real thing. There is no mention of this on Wikipedia, though. C F A 💬 23:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both the redirect and the mention. WP:ONEWAY. We don't need to cover every single conspiracy theory. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 05:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The idea of Joe Biden's uncle being eaten by cannibals (or not) has received significant enough media coverage to justify a redirect. pbp 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of coverage justifies misleading people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. The amount of coverage might justify adding content somewhere relevant, at which point we can consider the redirect, but unless and until that happens the redirect is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of coverage justifies misleading people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. The amount of coverage might justify adding content somewhere relevant, at which point we can consider the redirect, but unless and until that happens the redirect is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:Patent nonsense. WWGB (talk) 01:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @WWGB although it really does look like nonsense at first glance, it actually isn't. See the links in my and pbp's comments above. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now. I don't think Joe Biden has any uncles. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ambrose Biden was a real person... pbp 12:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it sounds ridiculous, it probably is ridiculous, but it was a thing that Biden actually asserted multiple times. If someone has seen a clip of him saying it and wanted to find out more about it, searching "Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals" is a pretty reasonable way of trying to find out more information about it. Now that it's included in the target article the redirect seems like a good one to me BugGhost🦗👻 12:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has significant media coverage. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but refine to Family of Joe Biden#Maternal. One of the silliest titles for a redirect that is not the result of vandalism (which makes it a good candidate for my list), but the significant amount of media coverage probably justifies Purplebackpack89's short addition. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Clearing the "not just blatant vandalism" bar shouldn't be an argument on its own in favor of keeping a redirect. This is just not a plausible thing someone is searching for an article under. I see this as similar to the JD Vance "couch sex" redirects: that there is some coverage, and that the coverage may even rise to meriting a single-sentence due mention on a page, does not mean we need a bunch of implausible redirects into that single sentence. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 16:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (to #Maternal) now that there is content on it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
2025 UK general election
[edit]- 2025 UK general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible Redirect Blethering Scot 22:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Made slightly more sense when the date wasn't announced. Doesn't make sense anymore. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of United Kingdom general elections. Deletion would be fine, too. The only truly bad option is the current situation. On the off chance that there was a general UK election in 2025 (which is possible, if unlikely, as I understand it), this would be even worse! —mako๛ 12:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- The most recent general election had to be held in or before January 2025, and there was much media speculation that it would be held at the latest possible date. This people searching for this title is entirely plausible. When to call a general election is (for practical purposes) entirely the prerogative of the prime minister, as long as one is held within 5 years of the most recent one, i.e. 2029 (although there is a minimum notice period, I think its about 25 days, for logistical reasons). This means that we cannot say there will not be a general election in 2025 until in theory 1 December 2025 as UK elections are always held on a Thursday and 25 December is the last Thursday in 2025 - although as there would have to be some truly extraordinary reason to hold an election on Christmas Day in reality the deadlines would be at least 1 week earlier. This does leave a problem of where best to target this redirect, and I think that unless and until a general election is called for 2025 (which currently looks unlikely, but a week is a long time in politics) that retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century is the best we can do. Someone will learn there that the isn't currently one scheduled for that year and find a link to the 2024 election if that is what they looking for. Ideally there would also be a link to Next United Kingdom general election, but there isn't currently. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century per thryduulf. (I've bundled 2025 United Kingdom general election into this RFD - this was previously discussed at RFD with a no consensus - but this was discussed before the election took place). BugGhost🦗👻 12:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a (potential) 2025 general election. Next United Kingdom general election does not even mention the year 2025. -- Tavix (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:2319
[edit]- Wikipedia:2319 → Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
What does this number have to do with sockpuppetry? 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:79D6:90F3:422F:423D (talk) 22:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There are many IPv6 addresses that could contain 2319 (surrounded by a colon at one or both sides), none of which are more notable than all the others. Alternatively, that could be a futuristic vision of Wikipedia in the 24th century (in the year 2319). But Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so there is no need for such a page about what Wikipedia would be like in the 24th century. GTrang (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Wiimake
[edit]Neologism not mentioned in the target. The term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can see it (and the alternate "Wii-make") being used in some news coverage, most prominently "The Case for Wiimakes", but not nearly enough that it would demand usage in the target article or anything. Not sure it does any harm, but the use case seems limited as well. I guess I lean toward deletion, but not strongly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- i would ALMOST suggest retargeting to the vaguely klonoa-shaped travesty we were cursed with in 2008 as a half-joke, as that seems to be the primary topic for the entire term (not for a good reason, mind you), but that'd be cheap. as is, no idea if it would be better to retarget it to some list of wii games, add a mention there, or delete, but i'll stick with adding a mention for now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: term is mentioned in reliable sources (Nintendo Life, Wired, eurogamer.net). No reason to delete. Obviously not notable on its own but a redirect is warranted. I would support a mention at Video game remake or elsewhere, but that is not needed for this to be kept. C F A 💬 20:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nintendo Wii and mention the phenomenon somewhere. It's an actual slang term formerly used for porting games to Wii while adding motion controls. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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JonasDeichmann
[edit]- JonasDeichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JONAS DEICHMANN → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Deichmann, Jonas → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- John Deichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jon Deichman → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jonas Deichman → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jon Deichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jonasdeichmann → Jonas Deichmann (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Deletion, 8 unnecessary and recently created redirects. YannickFran (talk) 20:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Deichmann, Jonas, Jonas Deichman, and JonasDeichmann, delete the rest. Keep the first three as {{R from sorting name}} and the others {{R from mispelling}} respectively. The rest are either not related (Jon Deichman, Jon Deichmann, and John Deichmann), implausible typos (Jonasdeichmann), or unneeded capitalization (JONAS DEICHMANN). mwwv converse∫edits 21:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how the spacing in "JonasDeichmann" is not WP:UNNATURAL. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all except Jon Deichmann, Jon Deichman and John Deichmann. C F A 💬 22:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:RFZ
[edit]- Wikipedia:RFZ → Wikipedia:Wikibreak#Generic templates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not an intuitive redirect, and contrary to the "speedy keep" at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 4#Wikipedia:RFZ, while "Request(s) for Zzz" might be a reading, that doesn't mean it's generally clear or understood. The target is not related to any "requests", and it is possible that the redirect was created as a result of an "Experiment". 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirects are cheap and I’m unsure what benefit there is from deletion. It seems fine as a quick redirect to its current target. Fish+Karate 20:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Almost every shortcut starting with "WP:RF" means "Requests for ...". The biggest exception is "RFD" itself, and even that has a hatnote for "Requests for deletion" (which is where it points at most English sister projects). —Cryptic 21:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any opinion on the redirect? The target of it it is not plausibly a "request for" anything. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- These templates are requests that people don't bother you on your talk page with the expectation of a prompt response. —Cryptic 00:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any opinion on the redirect? The target of it it is not plausibly a "request for" anything. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:PHIL
[edit]- Wikipedia:PHIL → Wikipedia:WikiProject Philately (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Guessing what WP:PHIL points to without knowing, my bet would be the guess would be WP:PHILOSOPHY. Could of course be WP:PHILADELPHIA or WP:PHILIPPINES, but How far down the list would you go before even thinking WP:PHILATELY? Hyperbolick (talk) 18:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any meaning as primary (and in particular no specific order in the "list" that I would have to "go down"), and this has collected less than 100 backlinks over the course of over 15 years, so disambiguation seems to be a viable option. Possibly also include Wikipedia:WikiProject Literature or Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics (though there currently also is no Wikipedia:WikiProject Philology redirect or hatnote at the target of WP:PHILO relating to that). 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Usen
[edit]- Template:Usen → Template:Use American English (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unused. Already a lot of aliases for Use American English — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:OURL
[edit]- Template:OURL → Template:Official URL (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unused and not necessary — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Beta-casein
[edit]I think readers are more likely to be looking for the Casein article than the article on the gene that encodes this protein in humans. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose'beta-casein' has no meaning for anything related to casein, in the sense we have for most of that article (uses and products from casein). We might almost be better using A2 milk? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to casein, but hopefully someone can expand so that there's something more there about the protein itself? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Nakso
[edit]Not mentioned at target. The mention at Tarak-juk#History appears to refer to the intended meaning. Apart from that, there is a passing mention at Rai people#Religion, as well as "Naksŏ", a romanisation of Kim Ja-jeom's art name listed in the infobox. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Naksu
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Has a meaning that is used in List of Alchemy of Souls characters. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Casorphin
[edit]Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. Not sure if this is related to Casomorphin in any way. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Ivorine
[edit]- Ivorine → Casein#Plastics and fiber (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; however, Ivory (soap) uses this as a brand of soap, Netsuke#Unusual materials as a material made from ivory, and Celluloid#Uses as a form of celluloid (French ivory). Note that the word can also be used as the adjective relating to ivory, see wikt:ivorine. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per nom. Multiple uses with no clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Niga
[edit]Toma Niga, Ion Niga, National Indian Gaming Association, as well as multiple geographic names that have articles in some other projects. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- See Draft:Niga. It is a potential solution. 46.103.182.112 (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Weather of 1980
[edit]![Delete](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Deer cannon
[edit]- Deer cannon → Bird scarer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
results are torn between the propane cannons used to give birds a dang ol spook, and actual deer cannon bones. i haven't found any info on where the name for the cannons came from, but it seems used, albeit not enough to warrant a redirect. any ideas? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Banishing crows from a field
[edit]- Banishing crows from a field → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
originally an essay written in 1rd person and signed by someone who didn't even write it (no, that's not important here, i just felt like pointing it out), currently not that. as detailed in the target, scarecrows are meant to keep birds away from succulents, as opposed to actively driving them out like other bird scarers. while i think retargeting it there would be the best option, there might be something i'm missing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Strawman (literal)
[edit]- Strawman (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Straw man (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case, this one. results are torn between every possible thing that can be and is referred to as a literal straw man (from scarecrows to straw men to straw man), and also donald trump. straw man (literal) was seemingly accidentally moved by a bot to avoid a double redirect, though its talk page still redirects to the dummy. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Straw man (disambiguation) is my first thought, and that does include a link to scarecrow (disambiguation). Treat it as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- seems good, i support retargeting it to straw man (disambiguation) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Fire and Ash
[edit]- Fire and Ash → Avatar: Fire and Ash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A user created and redirected to the upcoming Avatar franchise film, whose title was revealed in the past week [1]. This, for me, shouldn't be redirected this way because of WP:RECENTISM. Would suggest to convert it back to the DAB page without disambiguator, and wait for a couple years from film's release before having this as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC again. ScarletViolet tc 11:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, because the film is the only article we have with this name. The other items on Fire and Ash (disambiguation) are WP:DABMENTION entries. Avatar: Fire and Ash should get a hatnote, though. - Eureka Lott 15:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hatnote was improperly removed by the nominator. I have reverted the removal. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep as creator The disambiguation page, which was created after the redirect, contains three (previously, two) MOS:DABMENTION entries. In other words, the three other uses of "Fire and Ash" are topics deemed not notable for standalone articles. Currently, Avatar: Fire and Ash is the only article whose title includes the phrase "Fire and Ash", so there is no other subject of comparable notability to be disambiguated with, and the film can be safely deemed the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In any case, it would be unreliastic to claim that an obscure YA novel, comic book, and graphic novel "could" be as notable as an Avatar film — the chances are near zero. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Best Year Ever
[edit]- Best Year Ever → Best Week Ever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The page title could also refer to the SpongeBob 20th anniversary celebration known as "Best Year Ever". Retarget to SpongeBob SquarePants#Twentieth anniversary or disambiguate? 1033Forest (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. Unsurprisingly this is a very common title for references, but in addition to the current target and the SpongeBob Squarepants targets I've found I Love...#Best Year Ever… (More4), Amelia's Best Year Ever (Amelia's Notebooks#Elementary school), and a Doctor Who episode (Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor Adventures#Series 4 (2022)), none of which seem primary. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more as this is not an easy thing to search for (which also means search results will be extremely unhelpful so we definitely should not delete this). Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I really see no use in keeping this. Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete We could have a disambiguation cobbled together from a bunch of passing mentions. This is the sort of thing search is typically better at. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to allow search results, and since a disambiguation page of mentions and essentially WP:PTMs would be a freaking mess. Steel1943 (talk) 02:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Search results are good in theory but are actively unhelpful for such a common phrase as this where the likely search targets are swamped by passing mentions and collocations. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per above. – The Grid (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Thryduulf, disambiguation seems more helpful, and at least the SpongeBob episode is more than a passing mention, so disambiguation seems like a good solution (not sure whether "Amelia's Best Year Ever" should be included there, but the other three meanings are not WP:PTMs contrary to Steel1943). 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Rat feces
[edit]Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Contol
[edit]Not mentioned at target, and seems to have other uses according to a web search. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Joseph Sam Williams
[edit]- Joseph Sam Williams → Joseph Williams (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Joseph Sam Williams is the name of a non-notable musician that User:Japansonglove and various other sockpuppets constantly try to promote. Article was created by User:Ducdo29, who was eventually globally locked, as a redirect to Joseph Williams (musician). However, the Joseph Williams that the redirect goes to is named Joseph Stanley Williams. In my opinion, Sam and Stanley are not similar enough to cause confusion and this redirect is both unnecessary and just a way to promote the non-notable musician. Thebirdlover (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. If there's a connection between glocked User:Ducdo29 and User:Japansonglove, then it can be speedied db-g5. Wikishovel (talk) 08:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Des
[edit]- Template:Des → Template:Short description (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created redirect. Per Template:Short_description#Aliases these are actually harmful to the project and require a lot of overhead to make things work. Editors wishing to add short descriptions to articles should take the 1 minute to read this instead of creating new redirects. Gonnym (talk) 23:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 20#Aliases for Short description template and "Des" being an ambiguous and unintuitive abbreviation of "Short description". Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom & Thryduulf. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 10:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Overruled
[edit]- Overruled → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Overrule → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is the US legal term the primary topic here? We do also have Overruled! (a TV show) and Overruled (play). Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as there are many potential targets --Lenticel (talk) 01:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per nom. I have also bundled Overrule into this. mwwv converse∫edits 21:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Highway 407
[edit]- Highway 407 → List of highways numbered 407 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Looking at the history of this page, there has been a debate on whether or not Highway 407 should redirect to Ontario Highway 407 (which was the case until ~20 mins earlier, and 10 years before that) or the List of highways numbered 407. It's been going back and forth at least twice. In fact, I recently changed the target to Ontario Highway 407, before being redirected back to the list. Therefore, I need to see if this should be (re)targeted to the highway in Canada (which may be the primary topic?) or kept at its current target (the list). Again, the history of the redirect page is why I took it to RFD. JuniperChill (talk) 19:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario Highway 407. Literally 100% of the results on at least the first six pages of results when Googling for "Highway 407" -Wikipedia are for the Canadian road. Even searching for "Highway 407" -Wikipedia -Canada -Toronto -Ontario -ETR 100% of the results on the first two pages are for this road - even some of the results for "Highway 407" Louisiana -Wikipedia" are for the Ontario highway. This is one of the clearest primary topics I've ever seen. Thryduulf (talk) 20:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario Highway 407 per Thryduulf as the primary topic. C F A 💬 18:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Samuli Miettinen
[edit]- Samuli Miettinen → Children of Bodom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete redirect. There is an article for Samuli Miettinen (footballer) who is a different person than the redirect. Searching for Samuli Miettinen from wiki should point the person who has an own article rather than someone who has not. Syvä-äksy (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Looking on google there is no primary topic for people with this name with hits for the footballer, an architect (no article on enwp but the subject of fi:Samuli Miettinen) and an academic (no Wikipedia article in any language I can find) getting about equal numbers of hits on the first three pages. There were two hits for a photographer but none for the bassist. I haven't done enough research to know whether the architect or academic are notable but if they are a primary disambig may be best, if they aren't then moving the footballer to primary and adding a hatnote to the bassist is probably better (the latter does not appear to be notable, a one-line two-sentence sub-stub about him was correctly speedied as A7 a few years ago.) Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Move the redirect to Samuli Miettinen (bassist) and add {{R from predictable disambiguation}} to that redirect. Then move Samuli Miettinen (footballer) to Samuli Miettinen and add a hatnote to the footballer article. 2001:999:701:1F8:1C71:F209:179D:36B1 (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Gender-neutral games and toys
[edit]- Gender-neutral games and toys → Toy#Gender (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
About a day or so ago, sort of as a temporary measure until I could figure out a better course of action with this redirect, I had refined this redirect to Toy#Gender from Toy due to believing the base title not being adequate for explaining this redirect. However, I just realized that due to the fact the word "games" is in this redirect, the redirect's title seems to be an incorrect connection to its target due to potential WP:XY issues since the target is about toys and not games. At this point, I'm thinking deletion is the best option. Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- We ought to have some content about this, given the existence of Boys' toys and games and Girls' toys and games. Gender neutrality#Children's toys is similar to the current target. I'm wondering about a disambig/broad concept article? The existence of Toys and games in ancient Rome also points to "toys" and "games" being highly plausible combined search terms. Let Toys Be Toys is also relevant here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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E610
[edit]While E610 is mentioned at the target (it was the serial number of the gas tank that leaked and caused the disaster), this string also shows up in several other articles, such as LG Optimus L5, Orange SPV and South African Class 5E1, Series 2. Neither an internet search nor Google Scholar suggest a primary target, so deletion to allow for internal search results seems most appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 18:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this is one for the search engine. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it would be best to turn it into a disambiguation page that links to those other articles. Luvcraft (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Search finds these uses among other less useful results: lists that mention the LG Optimus, and various pages where references contain the string "E610" in page numbers or URLs. Peter James (talk) 15:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 01:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- Comment: Could also represent a chemical with the E number "E610", but it doesn't seem as though any chemical has been assigned this E number yet. Steel1943 (talk) 14:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)- Disambig per above. It could also refer to a road in the International E-road network or United Arab Emirates, but E610 doesn't appear (from our article) to have been assigned in either place (although both have E611 roads). Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
[edit]- Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men C-1 Slalom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
It is unclear why this should redirect to Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men C-1 Slalom and not to Template:Footer Olympic Champions Women C-1 Slalom which is available since 2020. Ymblanter (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep - This appears to be the original title of the template it points to. I presume the women's event was started in 2020 or not covered until then. Template shortcuts are very often ambiguous. As they are for editors (not readers), this does little harm. Weak because I am sympathetic to the nominators point. If this were in the mainspace a disambiguation would very much be due; however, such an action is not appropriate for a template redirect and I do not support deletion (because ambiguity is not grounds to delete a shortcut). There is also no benefit of obscuring the page history through deletion. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Empty-warn
[edit]- Template:Empty-warn → Template:Db-nocontext-notice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Confusing. Much like {{db-empty}}, one would expect it to refer to A3 or C1 but not A1 which explicitly does not apply to empty articles. Nickps (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete I agree its ambiguous due and I'd argue C1 is more likely as a category would be more likely to be considered to be empty because although its now possible to create an empty page (it never used to be) I wouldn't expect many articles to be created that are completely empty and blanking is often done when G7 ends up being the criteria used to delete. I'd also note that Template:Empty redirects to Template:Db-empty so I'd consider deleting them both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reading your comment again, I hadn't thought of the G7 point. I guess there is an argument to be made for deletion but considering that {{db-empty}} is probably associated with A3 and C1, I'd be very hesitant to delete. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Template shortcuts are quite often ambiguous. Created in 2006, then redirected here in 2012. It is included as a link in {{User:Fuhghettaboutit/Toolbox}} (which is transcluded to many user pages). No need to take any action. Shortcuts have to be learned before use anyhow, and this only affects our editors (not our readers). Prefer a retarget over deletion (if it comes to that). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not convenced by this argument. It's alao confusing for editors to have db-empty refer to C1 and A3 but db-empty-notice refer to A1. Every other notice template is named after the CSD template it is used with but this one alone breaks the pattern. That still makes shortcuts more difficult to learn for our editors for no benefit since most of them would know that db-a1-notice is the notice to use along with db-a1. Nickps (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've since made {{subst:db-empty-notice}} behave identically to {{db-empty}}, that is, it returns {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} if a category is passed to it and {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} in all other cases. So, assuming the db-empty-notice RfD closes as "disambiguate" between these two, we should retarget there Nickps (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Neo-newtonian
[edit]- Neo-newtonian → Spacetime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Neo newtonian → Spacetime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This isn't explained at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 08:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: term is not used anywhere else on Wikipedia, and I see too many varied usages in sources for it to be targeted to any specific one. This use case certainly isn't the first I would suggest. If they had to go anywhere, I would think Newtonian would make the most sense, but without the wider usage on site it feels like keeping them for the sake of keeping. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Newtonian as an ambiguous term: seems to be used ([2][3][4][5], etc.). A mention may be warranted somewhere. C F A 💬 20:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Bionic Bunny, et al.
[edit]- Bionic Bunny → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bionic Bunny – keep (as an article—later redirected)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Bunny – redirect to Bionic Bunny
- Dark Bunny → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mary Moo-Cow → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Bionic Bunny Show → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wilbur Rabbit → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Left notice about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting#Arthur-related redirects for discussion. Couldn't do it the usual way, because that assumes an AFD. If someone else can figure out how to do this better, please do. - dcljr (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
The target of all of these related redirects is a section that no longer exists in the target article. (These are all related to fictional characters or works within the fiction of the show itself — hence doubly fictional, which presumably is why the content didn't survive.) There doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the main Arthur (TV series) article, either. Nor in Marc Brown (author), our article for the author of the Arthur books. Propose deleting these unless some other appropriate target can be found. - dcljr (talk) 04:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Bionic Bunny and Dark Bunny to List of fictional rabbits and hares#Animation where they are mentioned. Delete the others as there doesn't appear to be a good target. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- The subject of The Bionic Bunny Show is Bionic Bunny, so maybe also redirect that one to the same target? - dcljr (talk) 00:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Chilodontidae-stub
[edit]- Template:Chilodontidae-stub → Template:Chilodontaidae-gastropod-stub (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused. Chilodontidae is a former spelling (now regarded as incorrect) for a gastropod family. Chilodontidae is a current, correct spelling for a fish family. See the Chilodontidae dab page. Template redirect uses the spelling for the fish family to redirect to a stub sorting template for the gastropod family Plantdrew (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did you mean that Chilodontidae is a current, correct spelling for a fish family? jlwoodwa (talk) 01:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whoops, yes. Fixed the spelling above. Plantdrew (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as a confusing redirect, per above. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 20:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as potentially misleading. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans
[edit]- Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Supporter demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- White support for Donald Trump → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Supporter demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- White support of donald trump → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#White nationalists and white supremacists (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Couple of concerns with these redirects' wordings:
- It's odd that a redirect with this phrasing targets 1 of 4 presidential campaign pages related to Donald Trump running for president. How can there be any guarantee readers searching this phrase are looking for this target?
- Specific to the current target, the first redirect contains the phrase "President Donald Trump"; Donald Trump was not a President until after the 2016 campaign.
Steel1943 (talk) 20:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Racial views of Donald Trump would be a better target? Nightscream (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not particularly. The redirects allude to groups of people who support for Donald Trump, not Donald Trump's views that could potentially be racist. Steel1943 (talk) 05:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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MAGA tourist
[edit]- MAGA tourist → January 6 United States Capitol attack#Participants and response (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between this specific phrase and the target unclear. Though MAGA is a rather known phrase, the use of the phrasing of the redirect on third party engines doesn't return results for "MAGA", but rather returns results for tourism in cities named "Maga". Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This term is used to help categorize people involved in the events of January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol. For example, see Lucas, Ryan. “Where the Jan. 6 insurrection investigation stands, one year later”, NPR (6 Jan 2022): “In the past year, the FBI and the public have learned a lot about who the rioters were and what motivated them, and they fall into three general categories. The first are the so-called MAGA tourists. These are Trump supporters who entered the Capitol but didn't engage in violence or destroy property.” If there are other significant uses of this term, then I’d recommend a disambiguation page. Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The target section "Participants and response" does not exist. It was renamed last year by Feoffer to "Participants, groups, and demographics", and later to "Participants, groups, and criminal charges". Jay 💬 17:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Toad Town
[edit]Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: appears to be used frequently and is pointed to the appropriate target. C F A 💬 20:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirecting terms to articles where the term is not mentioned is confusing to readers. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- to my knowledge, it only really ever pops up with this exact name in the rpgs (and the movie), and seems more closely associated with paper mario than mario & luigi. not sure if that warrants keeping, but i'll go with an overwhelmingly strong eh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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Biden crisis
[edit]- Biden crisis → Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like there are a lot of sorts of things one might expect to see when they search this term (for example, Mexico–United_States_border_crisis#Biden_administration or 2023 United States banking crisis, or any other "crisis" during the administration might be sought), and I don't suspect that any particular one is the WP:PTOPIC. I think that this should either be disambiguated or deleted, as I don't think the current redirect can be justified absent a primary topic. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: the current target smacks of WP:RECENTISM and there is no clear alternative. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Looking at Presidency of Joe Biden there are many things that have been called a crisis during his term in office that could be referred to (especially by political opponents) as "Biden crisis" but this is by far the primary topic. Is that recentism? It's too soon to know! What we do know is that people using this search term now are overwhelmingly going to be looking for the current target. If that changes in the future we can reevaluate the redirect at that point. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete too many storms in a teacup were called the Biden crisis. There's no clear target. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - reliable sources called it "Biden crisis", eg: NPR: "'We can't catch a break.' How the Biden crisis looks from the inside", Politico: "Pelosi privately fields battleground Dem calls as she works to address Biden crisis", Axios: "Trump rally shooting upends Democrats' Biden crisis", UK Channel 4: Biden crisis: supporters question President’s future as he pledges to continue - all in headlines. If you broaden the search to "Biden's crisis" even more results for the same topic appear. It's also worth noting that Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election was originally created with the name "Biden crisis" before the withdrawal was actually confirmed by Biden. BugGhost🦗👻 16:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I was about to nominate this myself a few days ago, but then changed my mind since apparently, the redirect may be an alternative name for the target per sources. Steel1943 (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not adequately sourced enough, the term "It's Joever" was actually used far more to refer to Biden's diminishing capacity to win the election in the months before his withdraw than "Biden crisis." Biden crisis can refer to a bunch of things. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HadesTTW - Regarding
Not adequately sourced enough
- I have posted several sources above that use the term - could you expand on why these aren't adequate? They're pretty well respected news sources and they use the term in their headlines to describe this event BugGhost🦗👻 19:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HadesTTW - Regarding
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- Delete, as per CycloneYoris, the term isn't adequately sourced. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- CycloneYoris has not commented on this, they just relisted it BugGhost🦗👻 19:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand the "not adequately sourced" arguments, given that Bugghost presented more than adequate evidence that the term is used by reliable sources? Thryduulf (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete This is just sealioning a pro-trump phrase in, so that it can be linked as 'accepted'. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? Redirects exist to take people from search terms they are likely to use to the content they are looking for when using that search term. We do this regardless of why they might be using the term. Deleting a redirect simply because it is used by one politician would be a massive failure of WP:NPOV. Thryduulf (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- There was no 'Biden crisis'. To create one could be read as (and will be used as) "Wikipedia describes and confirms Biden's Crisis". Which is definitely not something we should support. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to double check - you're accusing me of sealioning (with a total of 3 comments) - and saying my motivation for doing this is because you think I'm pro-Trump and want to post "Wikipedia describes and confirms Biden's Crisis" on twitter? Genuine question: huh??? BugGhost🦗👻 07:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- There was no 'Biden crisis'. To create one could be read as (and will be used as) "Wikipedia describes and confirms Biden's Crisis". Which is definitely not something we should support. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: used by reliable sources. Reasonable search term. C F A 💬
- Keep — I concur with Bugghost. "Biden crisis" is a headline term that became a general term in reference to the events leading up to Biden's withdrawal, and it was used by NPR. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The difference between the two is that there is a clear primary topic for "Biden Crisis" but there isn't for "Pokemon incident". Thryduulf (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- i believe that's recentism. the next time he gets tangled up in something, it could very well become the next "biden crisis", just as there were "biden crises" before this one, and this discussion could happen again, and again, and again, until he dies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Recentism is about article content. If something else becomes the primary target in the future then we can retarget or disambiguate at that point. We best serve the readers who are looking this up now by taking them to what the primary target is now, not making things harder because we guess that something might happen in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 20:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- i believe that's recentism. the next time he gets tangled up in something, it could very well become the next "biden crisis", just as there were "biden crises" before this one, and this discussion could happen again, and again, and again, until he dies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The difference between the two is that there is a clear primary topic for "Biden Crisis" but there isn't for "Pokemon incident". Thryduulf (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- using the same logic as "pokémon incident", this requires defining "crisis" in a way that somehow narrows it down to this specific event and not any of the other crises and controversies he was involved in. i'll support dabifying if possible, or deleting if not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Degi dialect
[edit]- Degi dialect → Okinoerabu dialect cluster (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in any capacity at the target. Unclear how/why this redirect would make sense. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of my recent mass redirects of Ryukyuan languages come from the supplementary metadata of UniCog (unicog_meta_v1.xlsx) and Nakamoto (1981:459-463) (図説琉球語辞典). Degi is a subarea of Okinoerabu (though information is very obscure; but see here for a postal code number list of Okinoerabu which includes Degi). Chuterix (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Ideological neutrality of the state
[edit]- Ideological neutrality of the state → Ideology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The phrase "neutrality of the state" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what in the target article the redirect is meant to define. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Maybe retarget to Neutral country, which does sort-of discuss ideological reasons why countries might be neutral? Not sure if I think this is a good target or not, but it deserves consideration. Thryduulf (talk) 19:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Le Cartel
[edit]- Le Cartel → Mother Russia Bleeds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Le Cartel Studio → Mother Russia Bleeds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects should be deleted. The developer's name and a typo are being redirected to its first notable game; the article itself mentions the developer's history but the redirect is barely used outside of articles for its games as well as game list articles. I do not believe it will be used enough to deserve a redirect of its own, like most other independent developers with notable games with their own articles. MimirIsSmart (talk) 06:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: the article itself mentions the developer's history is ample reason to keep the redirect. You could at most argue WP:XY because the studio's other game, Heave Ho, also has an article. A typo is not in sight. IceWelder [✉] 10:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Seven Sages (Zelda series)
[edit]- Seven Sages (Zelda series) → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Sages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. This concept is present in multiple titles within the Zelda series, so it is unclear if this redirect should target any specific article or not. Steel1943 (talk) 07:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl.
[edit]- Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl. → Newhart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Fully written two-sentence long catchphrase of secondary characters no longer mentioned in the article. There are hundreds of ways of reaching the topic of Newhart between Google and Wikipedia searches, but this amount of specificity makes this unlikely and unhelpful, with nothing in the article or its references. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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Now cut that out!
[edit]- Now cut that out! → Jack Benny (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article and provides no context to incoming readers, with the only allusion to this phrase being from one reference. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. This was a very famous line for Jack Benny. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is exactly as I described. This is a redirect from a phrase which is not mentioned at the target article. People who search for this phrase will not receive any content related to their search of "cutting that out", as "cut"-ting is never talked about there. "Who said this line" is a service provided entirely by Google and is the reason that WikiQuote exists, allowing us to avoid baking thousands of WP redirects into concrete, based on anything any person has ever said. Indeed, famous people might have famous quotes. But even among the greatest of these, without a reference to substantiate its famousness at the target biography, there's no reason to keep it as a misleading redirect (misleading in the sense that it indicates to readers we have content when we do not). My suggestion is to delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because Google might usually win a "who said this line" contest doesn't mean Wikipedia shouldn't try to help people find the subject they're looking for. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- All material on Wikipedia must be verifiable. There is no content on Wikipedia about this phrase besides a sourceless redirect, and no sources present in the article to back up the assertion of this quote's famousness. There is no evidence that people searching for the phrase "now cut that out" are seeking the article for Jack Benny; it is more plausible that people who search for the phrase "now cut that out" are looking for written material about the phrase "now cut that out". This information is not present at the Jack Benny article, so this redirect disappoints & misleads searchers who expect to find material specific to their Wikipedia search at the target page.
- If these searchers wanted to read about Jack Benny, they wouldn't search "now cut that out", but instead search for the name "Jack Benny". Searching for the name of an individual with a Wikipedia page will give users the page they're searching for with ~99% accuracy. Searching for a quote yet ending up at a page about a person, as opposed to an page dedicated to the quote they are searching for, will work for approximately ~0% of quotes in existence, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of unreferenced quote-person-associations. Wikiquote is more suitable for connecting people with the quotes they said, although searching for "now cut that out" on Google still recommends the Wikipedia page for Jack Benny anyway. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because Google might usually win a "who said this line" contest doesn't mean Wikipedia shouldn't try to help people find the subject they're looking for. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is exactly as I described. This is a redirect from a phrase which is not mentioned at the target article. People who search for this phrase will not receive any content related to their search of "cutting that out", as "cut"-ting is never talked about there. "Who said this line" is a service provided entirely by Google and is the reason that WikiQuote exists, allowing us to avoid baking thousands of WP redirects into concrete, based on anything any person has ever said. Indeed, famous people might have famous quotes. But even among the greatest of these, without a reference to substantiate its famousness at the target biography, there's no reason to keep it as a misleading redirect (misleading in the sense that it indicates to readers we have content when we do not). My suggestion is to delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete as not even unique enough to jack anymore. results mostly gave me paper cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll bet you weren't using an exact phrase search. Google Advanced Search gives me only Jack Benny (with a small smattering of other uses that seem mostly derivative and don't start until the second page of search results, like Meet the Parents, The Jetsons and Scooby Doo). — BarrelProof (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- i was, and that didn't really help either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll bet you weren't using an exact phrase search. Google Advanced Search gives me only Jack Benny (with a small smattering of other uses that seem mostly derivative and don't start until the second page of search results, like Meet the Parents, The Jetsons and Scooby Doo). — BarrelProof (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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I can do this all day
[edit]- I can do this all day → Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article, which gives insufficient context and does not provide readers with an explanation. People interested in Captain America would look up the character, not the quote from the Avengers (I think). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom (and BarrelProof's counter-questions in parallel noms notwithstanding), I don't (personally) associate this line with the target character, but I feel confident I've heard it two or three other places, none of which occur to me at the moment. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 19:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete per "results did actually mostly give me captain america, but deeming him the primary topic for a search of this nature would be like redirecting america to him". deadpool also gets that one a lot, if my short memory span isn't doing me dirty cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm surprised, but Google Advanced Search for the exact phrase is very dominated by Steve Rogers / Captain America. (There's also a country song, but I don't find the artist on Wikipedia and his Youtube channel has only about 1300 subscribers.) — BarrelProof (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and Retarget to Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Reception where critical reception on this catchphrase used by the character has since been added. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. As Trailblazer101 points out, the central claim of the OP—that the target article doesn't mention the catchphrase—is no longer true. I was one of two users who added content about the catchphrase and its significance as part of the reception of the character. It was interesting to notice this RFD involving the catchphrase. From what I've found, coverage of this catchphrase substantially gravitates around the character covered in the target article. Even on GoogleScholar, the first hit for "I can do this all day" is about the topic of the target article. To address a delete argument, this would not be like redirecting "America" to the target article because both keyword searching and general assessment of sources demonstrates clearly that coverage of the term "America" does not gravitate around MCU character Steve Rogers. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 06:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Hydrangeans. This phrase is widely associated with this character, at least to a large number of readers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Chinese coins
[edit]- Chinese coins → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chinese coin → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is there some reason that Chinese coins are assumed to be ancient? To the contrary, I would personally assume that people looking for information about Chinese coins would be looking for information about modern coins. The same for Chinese coin. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Added/bundled Chinese coin into the discussion. (Was checking to see in the singular and plural had different targets, and well ... they do not.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: What a cluster of existing articles did I run into: Between Chinese currency (a disambiguation page), the fact that the aforementioned page has multiple articles listed related to subjects named "Yuan" (including Renminbi, which is alternative called the "Chinese Yuan"), History of Chinese currency, Chinese cash (currency unit), the nominated redirect's current target and ALL of the potentially ambiguous redirects targeting EACH of the respective aforementioned non-redirect pages ... this whole situation is a mess. Obviously, the current target is wrong; my vote here is weak retarget to Chinese currency as a {{R from ambiguous term}}, but oh my gosh, there seems to be a need for a WP:BROADCONCEPT somewhere ... but does History of Chinese currency already serve that purpose? (Honestly, I'm thinking Chinese currency should be WP:BLARed towards History of Chinese currency, but that's a different discussion for a different day.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...And just found Chinese cash, another disambiguation page ... with more articles including Cash (Chinese coin). Wow... Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- As a side note, I ran into this redirect by trying to identify the origin and denomination of a modern coin that I have laying around. It doesn't have English writing on it, so I thought it might be Chinese and looked for info by putting "Chinese coins" into the search box. I suspect that happens a lot. (Unfortunately, even at Renminbi § Coins, I didn't find any pictures, unlike for American coins, Canadian coins, Japanese coins, Korean coins, Russian coins, etc. I eventually had to look outside of Wikipedia to identify it as a Chinese one jiao coin.) — BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
TL;DR It's fine to have Chinese currency as a disambiguation page. Whether Currency of China should direct there might also be considered.
- The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
- On the nominal topic of this discussion, I support a retarget of both to Chinese currency. — AjaxSmack 20:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Renminbi#Coins would be another logical target for "Chinese coins". It's surprising that there is not a more detailed section, or even article, with images, compared to the very detailed coverage of some other countries' coinage. PamD 20:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Logic aside, a special consideration for this case is that a) coins are not used much in China now (vis-à-vis banknotes, Alipay and WeChat pay) and b) the copper cash coins seen in strings of cash are still found prominently in the Sinosphere with non-currency uses such as in Chinese numismatic charms, in art, in fengshui, in fortune telling, in graves, in medicine and among overseas Chinese. When I hear "Chinese coin" I think more of these and less of a 5-jiao coin. — AjaxSmack 20:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah: on looking further, (a) there are detailed articles such as Fifth series of the renminbi, which I found by rummaging around the category tree to get to Category:Coins of China, and (b) there are no articles on French coins or Brazilian coins (picking a couple of countries I expected to be well and poorly covered), although there are articles such as French franc, French euro coins and Brazilian real. It looks as if we don't cater for the reader like the OP who wants to find out about the coins of a country, together, to try to identify the one in their hand, without knowing the names of the units of currency or anything else about the country's coinage. PamD 20:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Or perhaps not, as that route doesn't lead easily to the detailed info in Fifth series of the renminbi etc, which is where the detailed info can be found. Better navigation is needed to help the reader like our OP find the info which exists in the encyclopedia! PamD 05:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning toward a retarget to Renminbi § Coins. It seems like that's what someone looking for "Chinese coins" would be seeking, not Taiwanese or Hong Kong or historical topics, etc., so I don't think the disambiguation currently provided at Chinese currency is helpful. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:SCIENTOLOGY
[edit]- Wikipedia:SCIENTOLOGY → Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is also a WikiProject, although currently semi-active, about Scientology as well as the ArbCom case on it. I think the WikiProject would be a better primary topic, so the redirect follows the pattern of other WikiProject shortcuts. Xeroctic (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to WP:WikiProject Scientology - Since the most significant parts of WP:ARBSCI have been rescinded (and because WP:ARBSCI exists as a redirect) there's little reason for WP:SCIENTOLOGY to point to RfArb/Scientology anymore, and the WikiProject seems like it is and always should have been the more reasonable target. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am fine with retargetting to WP:WikiProject Scientology as the creator of the redirect. Perhaps a hatnote would be appropriate? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 20:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget but add hatnote to the arbcase. We should always be very conservative when retargetting shortcuts as the potential for confusion and misunderstanding is high - interpretations of things said in old discussions can be changed, and people familiar with the link won't look to see if the target is changed leading to people potentially using the same words to refer to different targets. However in this case, there are no relevant links (although edit summaries and unlinked uses can't be discounted) and very few uses (11 this year before today) meaning the risk of issues in this specific case is outweighed by the greater utility of the proposed target. Thryduulf (talk) 20:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retraget or DAB given as noted the AC case is less relevant now though as noted to avoid breaking links a DAB might be best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Currently, all links to the redirect involved this RFD, so no links are likely to be broken right now. Xeroctic (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Cn (mathematics)
[edit]- Cn (mathematics) → Root system#Cn (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous, see CN#Mathematics. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to CN#Mathematics. Could have been done WP:BOLDly as the solution is obvious. Steel1943 (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as {{r from incomplete disambiguation}}. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Dn (mathematics)
[edit]- Dn (mathematics) → Root system#Dn (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous, see DN#Mathematics. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DN#Mathematics. Could have been done WP:BOLDly as the solution is obvious. Steel1943 (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as {{r from incomplete disambiguation}}. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Objection (law)
[edit]- Objection (law) → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not interchangeable titles. Would suggest deleting so that we can have another shot of rewriting for a broader world audience, and this title would appear red so users don't think we cover a topic that is not well covered around the world. Awesome Aasim 15:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For the benefit of anyone else thinking this feels familiar, Objection! was retargetted to the dab page at Objection following Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 10#Objection!. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to the Objection dab page, where the US law use is mentioned and any future articles about laws in other countries should be linked. If not, delete per WP:REDLINK. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
CheckUser
[edit]CNR. Should we retarget to Wiki#Security? Ahri Boy (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Wiki#Security has no info on checkusers or equivalent functions. Checkusers are not something which beginner editors, who might not realize the existence of the Wikipedia namespace, would search up. Ca talk to me! 11:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Keep Actually, I am convinced by the below arguments. CheckUser is Wikipedia specific(no room for confusion), and new users may come across the term checkuser in the examples provided below. Ca talk to me! 16:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I think the question should be whether this is a potential useful redirect and whether it's unambiguous. I think it is, on both accounts. It being a cross-namespace redirect does not mean it's not useful. Those types of redirects aren't covered under WP:CSD R2, meaning, in certain cases, they're allowed. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- All Google results appear to be for Wikipedia and I'm not sure if there is much non Wikipedia usage. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there is also Checkuser which should also be deleted or retargeted if this is closed as delete or retarget. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NAVELGAZING - no reliable sources (that I could find) discuss the topic, therefore there is no article to be made. Our myriad of jargony internal policy documents don't serve much of a purpose for readers looking for an encyclopedia article on this topic, which we do not have. Project pages are not articles, do not have the same standards, and are written for a completely different audience. If we really want to have cross-namespace redirects from reader-space into project-space, we should do it with a soft redirect, one that will advise the reader that we do not have an encyclopedia article on the topic they're looking for, but they can click through if they really want to see how the sausage is made; just dumping them into project space unawares is frankly kind of cruel. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Meh (weak keep). I see both sides of the argument. I agree with Ivanvector that there is likely no chance that CheckUser (be it the MediaWiki extension, the WMF implementation thereof, or anything else similar) is going to be a notable topic on its own. But I'm confused why that means that we need to delete it. We have multiple other CNRs from Main->Project, such as Administrators noticeboard (and variations), Autoconfirmed, Disambiguation page, Good article, and many more (can sift through Category:Redirects to project space to find more). Unless there's previously been a discussion that has resulted in a consensus that main->project redirects are not permitted... then what's the harm? If the topic isn't notable, there's a non-zero chance someone who, say, is checkuser blocked will simply search the term "Checkuser" on Wikipedia, and I don't think it serves them to not redirect them to our project space page explaining it. If the topic was potentially notable on its own, then making an article would be preferable - but I don't buy the argument that a blank/deleted page is better than a redirect if someone searches for it on Wikipedia. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 21:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Berchanhimez: redirects from the mainspace to project space are discouraged (see WP:CNR for the background) and frequently deleted. Exceptions do exist, most commonly (but not exclusively) where it is desirable that the target page is easy to find by very new users who haven't learned about namespaces yet (administrators noticeboard and Wikipedia help are examples). The second most common is for internal aspects that people outside the project will have heard of (or assume exist) and want to look up but which don't have an encyclopaedic target (e.g. good articles). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I find it unreasonable to think that those two are things a new user would be likely to search for, and not CheckUser, when CheckUser is used as a rationale for a block or referenced on those noticeboards sometimes. I am not saying they shouldn't be discouraged, but this is one that actually makes sense, in my view. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Berchanhimez: redirects from the mainspace to project space are discouraged (see WP:CNR for the background) and frequently deleted. Exceptions do exist, most commonly (but not exclusively) where it is desirable that the target page is easy to find by very new users who haven't learned about namespaces yet (administrators noticeboard and Wikipedia help are examples). The second most common is for internal aspects that people outside the project will have heard of (or assume exist) and want to look up but which don't have an encyclopaedic target (e.g. good articles). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: There's nothing inherently wrong with CNRs. Our goal is to help the reader get to where they want to go. Anyone typing "CheckUser" into the search bar evidently wants to get to the project page. Deleting it is just removing a helpful, unambiguous redirect for no reason. C F A 💬 16:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete redirect to non-reader content. A reader would not be affected by a checkuser outcome, unless they edit. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a useful CNR shortcut created by a well-established editor many years ago (2017) based on another CNR shortcut (Checkuser). That one was created by another well-established editor many years before that (2006). 1) Both are firmly "grandfathered in" CNRs, and 2) per WP:R#KEEP, R3, R4 and R5. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 01:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. It takes readers to a different section of the encyclopedia, and it doesn't sit right with me to bring readers to non-reader pages. SWinxy (talk) 16:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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Tax cuts for the rich
[edit]- Tax cuts for the rich → Trickle-down economics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Should probably be deleted as non-neutral and poorly matched. While "tax cuts for the rich" are sometimes promoted as a method of trickle-down economics, they really aren't the same concept. Redirecting to tax cut does not make a lot of sense either. Jruderman (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's neutral (and even if it wasn't, redirects don't have to be neutral) and summarises the article's lead well:
Trickle-down economics refers to economic policies that disproportionately favor the upper tier of the economic spectrum, comprising wealthy individuals
andMajor examples of what critics have called "trickle-down economics" in the U.S. include the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts, and the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. Major UK examples include Liz Truss's mini-budget tax cuts of 2022
. The article describes the topic as primarily tax cuts for rich people - it's a good redirect. BugGhost🦗👻 10:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Trickle-down economics is not the exact same thing as tax cuts for the wealthy. Should be deleted as forcing readers to follow a redirect to an irrelevant place, WP:SURPRISE applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly section link #Usage? This article does say "tax cuts to/for the rich" multiple times. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This could point to a number of places (chiefly, tax cut comes to mind), but none of them are a primary topic for this search term, and this doesn't lend itself way to being DABified. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Since this is mentioned at the target and "Trickle-down economics" is a very common descriptor of policies like this. Neutral on whether the redirect should be to the article in general or to the "Usage" section of the article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't think this is a good redirect, basically per zxcvbnm. And since the phrase is used in Trickle-down economics, someone searching for this phrase specifically will be able to find that article if that's where they wanted to go. -- asilvering (talk) 23:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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Yevhen Kholoniuk
[edit]- Yevhen Kholoniuk → 2011–12 figure skating season#Ice dance 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject does not appear in target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Subject appears at target as "Evgeni Kholoniuk" who is evidently the same person. No valid reasons for deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 02:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Imperial Royalty
[edit]- Imperial Royalty → Imperial Majesty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This term does not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess Royalty and Majesty are somewhat synonymous. Josethewikier (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above, since both words are synonymous. CycloneYoris talk! 04:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The words are not exact synonyms, and, more imporatntly, "Imperial Majesty" is a title, but "Imperial Royalty" isn't. Emperors can referred to as "His Imperial Majesty", but no ruler has ever been called "His Imperial Royalty". The redirect as it stands is misleading. If it's to be kept, Emperor would be a better target. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Imperial and Royal, Imperial–royal, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty, are just a small selection of targets where this could reasonably point. Unless it can be established that this term is actually used in this form for one or more topics we cover, this should likely be deleted as vague. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to King-Emperor. They're not synonymous; in the context of monarchy, "imperial" refers to emperors/empresses, and "royalty" only to kings/queens, a lesser dignity. This article is general, not country-specific like "Imperial-royal" or "Imperial and Royal", and the redirect title is about a concept, not about a title like "Imperial and Royal Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Majesty". Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Nyttend. All the other proposed targets are specific to a particular context, whereas King-Emperor is a broad concept article. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it looks like the first Google hit for the term is a Pomerian dog breeder, which wasn't exactly on my bingo card. The other results seem to be mostly the kind of keyword synonym spam people use for SEO. There seems to be the occasional usage in historical contexts, e.g. an old history book or museum listing. I think they're using it to emphasize that these are imperial royals, e.g. emperors and not kings, but it doesn't seem to be a term of art. In any case, serious use of the term is rare and doesn't not appear to be a synonym for Imperial Majesty or King-Emperor. Rusalkii (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Teemo
[edit]Not mentioned; delete unless a suitable target can be found. Queen of Hearts talk 17:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Before Arcane, one of the main "mascots" of League. Useful if someone wants to know where the naming of Gothus Teemo comes from for an example in wider culture of just last week. (Note that Teemo probably could be mentioned, but as a Featured Article, the League article is maintained pretty strictly, so it might be arguably under-inclusive in the name of keeping the highest level of sourcing.) SnowFire (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Turn into disambiguation page now that G. teemo has an article. SnowFire (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree with this. Per WP:2DABS a redirect/hat note would be preferable. Bensci54 (talk) 12:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Could probably merit a small sentence-long mention based on this article regarding League's impact on popular culture. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep given its use on Gothus teemo. Wouldn't be against it being mentioned on the main article, given that the crab is the first species to be named after a League of Legends character, although that's probably to be discussed on the talk page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambig per SnowFire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaotic Enby: Why vote twice in favour in the same RFD request?! Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if it wasn't clear, it was to indicate I supported the two options (keeping the redirect, or converting it to a disambiguation page). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaotic Enby: Why vote twice in favour in the same RFD request?! Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete unless anyone adds a mention themselves, as inherently confusing. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gothus teemo where it's explained. -- Tavix (talk) 00:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Raymoo
[edit]- Raymoo → List of Touhou Project characters#Reimu Hakurei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
raymoo hackery is a name generally only seen in shitposts, and i'd honestly be surprised if anyone not nose deep on every touhou rabbit hole knew about it. fittingly, not mentioned in the target, implausible as an actual search (unless you're me), and google gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep and tag as meme. It's plausible that someone finds one of said shitposts, doesn't know how the original name is spelled, and searches "raymoo" to find info on Reimu. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep. I personally believe that it is a genuine misspelling or respelling, but you would probably be hard-pressed to find a reliable source that mentions it being a meme or shitpost. Honestly, I don't even remember making this redirect in 2012, but I doubt that "Raymoo Hackery" ever crossed my mind since we would be discussing a "Raymoo Hackery" redirect as well. Regardless, the outcome doesn't really matter to me, so do what you may. — Nameless(?) 13:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- in your defense, it's funny cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I doubt Wikipedia would be the first place a person searching for info on Reimu would turn to. --Un assiolo (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as a misspelling. It doesn't seem to refer to anything else on Wikipedia. -- Tavix (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010
[edit]- North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010 → David Taylor (North West Leicestershire MP) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Never happened. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did the preparations for the by-election actually start? The Banner talk 11:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Where is this mentioned at 2010 United Kingdom general election? -- Tavix (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to North West Leicestershire (UK Parliament constituency)#History, which is the general article where it's explained. -- Tavix (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Abritration Committe
[edit]- Wikipedia:Abritration Committe → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Both "Arbitration" and "Committee" are misspelled, making this an implausible redirect. 88.97.195.160 (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Created 8 years ago purposely as a misspelling, and is in no way ambiguous.
(The forecast is calling for WP:SNOW.)Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)- Quite a lot, maybe even the majority, of R3s are created on purpose. The only reason this doesn't suffer the same fate is its age, which is only relevant to R3 and nothing else. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...Seems the WP:SNOW forecast was canceled... Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unused and implausible. Would have qualified as an R3 had it been caught early. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Plausible and harmless, especially as it's in project space. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not
hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects
, I'm simply opposed to the deletion of harmless redirects because deletion is never harmless (for example it hinders navigation) so we should only delete pages when the harm from the existence of the redirect exceeds the harm caused by deletion. In this case there is truly no harm from the redirect's existence - anyone stumbling across it will be taken to where they want to go. It being in project space is relevant, because there is no chance of someone finding this while looking for encyclopaedic content. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- This is what I was I was getting at but in a lot more words: This redirect is in the project/"Wikipedia:" namespace. If someone types this redirect out, they are obviously looking for the current target page. Deletion does more harm than good. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Thryduulf on this. There was zero maintenance burden from this redirect until this RFD was created, which has used far more storage space/processing power/brain power than the redirect ever has. The redirect probably isn't that helpful, but that isn't really enough to justify deletion. BugGhost🦗👻 11:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not
- Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 01:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per previous comments. Redirects are cheap, and despite being an implausible spelling, it's not in mainspace and doesn't do much harm staying as it is. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as harmless {{R from misspelling}}. C F A 💬 18:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Za'ura
[edit]The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Libitum
[edit]Not mentioned at target, but readers might also be looking for Ad libitum. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RLANG. Not sure retargeting would be helpful here given the partial title match and the fact that ad libitum is somewhat narrowly focused on performing arts. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Enjoyment
[edit]- Enjoyment → Happiness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Enjoyableness → Pleasure (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Enjoyable → Enjoy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like this could use some consistency. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Infantile
[edit]Definitely ambiguous with Infantilism. Retarget there or add the disambiguation page to the (long) hatnote already present? 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- {{wi}} -> wikt:infantile. Looking to backlinks, relation to medicaal term infantilism would be confusing, because people suffering from (medical) infantilism are not called "infantile". IMO the current Wiktionary entry is most useful for those who do not know the word. - Altenmann >talk 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe {{Wiktionary hatnote}} instead? 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Great-children
[edit]I'm not sure this refers to anything meaningful. FWIW, Grandchild redirects to Family#Roles. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Family or Family#Roles. Additionally, I found that Great-grandchild also targets Family (just not the #Roles section), while Great-grandchildren does target #Roles. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete. The "great" prefix is only used in conjunction with the "grand" prefix existing; without the "grand" prefix, the "great" prefix makes no sense, so let's not pretend like it does. Steel1943 (talk) 15:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)- Striking my vote. See my response to Thryduulf for further details. Steel1943 (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per SmittenGalaxy. Contra Steel, the term is used without "grand", see e.g. "my great children and great nephews and nieces"[6], "My great children loved the visit"[7], "It's a gift for my great children and should bring back happy memories to my grand son" [8], "I visit all of my children, then I visit all of my grandchildren, then all of my great children etc" [9], "I will be sharing my Nan’s memories about her Dad and Mum and also the memories of Eileen’s grandchildren and a few of her Great-Children."[10]. Thryduulf (talk) 18:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Must be an American versus British English difference I was not aware of then. I like to believe I know most differences between American and British English, and to my knowledge, in American English, the prefix "great" always requires a "grand" prefix after it somewhere when referring to direct ancestors or descendants (children or parents), which does not apply to aunts, uncles, nephews, or nieces. I guess British English is different in this regard? Anywho, my vote has been struck. Steel1943 (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not something I've heard in British English either, I just thought I'd check to see whether it did actually get used (kinship terms can be weird). I didn't think to see if it was an AE/BE thing, but based on the very small sample size of the five links above it doesn't seem to be - 2 are from the UK, 1 from the US, 1 from Canada and 1 wasn't able to quickly determine. Thryduulf (talk) 23:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Must be an American versus British English difference I was not aware of then. I like to believe I know most differences between American and British English, and to my knowledge, in American English, the prefix "great" always requires a "grand" prefix after it somewhere when referring to direct ancestors or descendants (children or parents), which does not apply to aunts, uncles, nephews, or nieces. I guess British English is different in this regard? Anywho, my vote has been struck. Steel1943 (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Ringie
[edit]Slang term not described at target but listed at Longtail (rat) (which is somehow not linked from the Rat article). There appears to be an unrelated meaning at Two-up, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders
[edit]- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- A Feminist Perspective → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have.Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Epimys
[edit]No extensive description of this, but Rattus at least mentions this in the infobox, unlike the current target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Similar situation with Stenomys btw. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Rattus and retarget Stenomys as well. Plantdrew (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Chengdu Airport
[edit]- Chengdu Airport → Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was intending to move the disambiguation page Chengdu airport to this name for proper capitalization. However, the original creator of the redirect states that this is a common name for the target airport. Would need sources to confirm this, and I'm unsure if this is even an appropriate redirect (due to the disambiguation page). Johnj1995 (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this is more appropriate to ask via a WP:RM on the disambiguation page (i.e., whether Chengdu airport should be moved to Chengdu airport (disambiguation) to make it a redirect to the same page as the nominated one). 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4:. The disambiguation page should be moved to either Chengdu Airport or Chengdu Airport (disambiguation) for consistency (see Beijing Airport, Shanghai Airport). Also, I don't know if this is even an appropriate target for Chengdu Airport, because non-Chinese users might be looking for Chengdu Tianfu International Airport, which is where all international flights to Chengdu are operated. Johnj1995 (talk) 21:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make "Chengdu Airport" a full disambiguation page because both Chengdu Tianfu International Airport (international) and Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (now domestic) are equally notable WhisperToMe (talk) 02:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The status quo looks correct to me. Is Chengdu Tianfu International Airport commonly known as "Chengdu Airport"? The article gives "Tianfu Airport" as the shorthand for that one. On the other hand, the article says that the shorthand for Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport is "Chengdu Airport". As for the lowercase variant, one would be looking for an airport in Chengdu, not an airport named "Chengdu Airport". The disambiguation does list the airports in Chengdu, but I would suggest that Chengdu#Air is more helpful. -- Tavix (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Sproggen
[edit]Not mentioned on the English Wikipedia (nor Wiktionary). Seems to be a rather obscure slang term, but a web search returns unrelated results as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned at target, and rather pointless to have as a search term. Geschichte (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Baratron
[edit]Does not seem to be explained anywhere; only a passing mention at Hybrid Illinois Device for Research and Applications. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- del advert plug-in. - Altenmann >talk 21:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
DuroKon
[edit]- DuroKon → Garden tool (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Durokon → Garden tool (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- del advert plug-in. - Altenmann >talk 21:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Zenport
[edit]- Zenport → Garden tool (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zenport Industries → Garden tool (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- del advert plug-in. - Altenmann >talk 21:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
AccuZen
[edit]Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- del advert plug-in. - Altenmann >talk 21:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
AgriKon
[edit]Appears to only have a passing mention at Bahget Iskander on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- del advert plug-in. - Altenmann >talk 21:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
ZenTek
[edit]Not mentioned at target, on-wiki search results for "ZenTek" seems to only return unrelated things. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- del advert plug-in. - Altenmann >talk 21:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
OoX
[edit]- OoX → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misleading redirect if the intent is to refer to a game in the The Legend of Zelda series with "X" referring to a letter wild card (for this target, the respective acronyms would be "OoA" and "OoS"): This redirect could also refer to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is "OoT". Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- results gave me... birbs and madness combat. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly with a hatnote. My results are a roughly equal mix of Zelda (with the term used to refer to the two titles collectively), World of Warcraft ("OOX refers to a series of mechanical chickens created by Oglethorpe Obnoticus" which might as well be written in Greek for all it means to me) and random non-notable stuff. List of airports in Ukraine#Military bases tells me OOX is the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base but that isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find any mention of the WoW meaning on Wikipedia (but someone who understands the game should check that) but the collective term for the Zelda games should be. A hatnote to the air base (and WoW if mentioned) would seem to be useful but I'm not going to lose any sleep if others disagree with that. Thryduulf (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- So ... an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target should ... remain with a hatnote placed at the current target? Seems nonsensical. What would make more sense would be to create a disambiguation page and deregulate the current target to a "See also" section. (I'm still in the "delete" camp, but "disambiguate" makes more sense than "keep and hatnote" here since the "keep" part just doesn't make sense.) And I'm just itching to cite WP:PANDORA and claim this opens the door for other wildcard redirects ... maybe XBC (I know there's already an article there) for ABC, NBC, etc? Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
2032 Summer Olympics medal table
[edit]- 2032 Summer Olympics medal table → All-time Olympic Games medal table (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2028 Summer Olympics medal table → All-time Olympic Games medal table (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These are 4 and 8 years ahead of the games and nothing at the target even mentions them. Neither are helpful redirects or search terms and should be left as red links until an article can be created. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since I can't buy one of these WP:CRYSTAL tables for my dining room. Steel1943 (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TOOSOON. They'll definitely be useful once the respective games start, and maybe a short while before, but not this far in advance. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it's detrimental to the focus and quality Wikipedia when things are made ridiculously early. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. While that may be true, the Olympics are held every four years. The 2024 Summer Olympics in Paris already ended, so it makes sense to keep those as redirects. Abhiramakella (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- At the present time, it doesn't. Readers could be searching these terms thinking we know something about what will happen in 4 or 8 years when we don't. These can (and will) be recreated within a year or so of these events occurring when we have actual information to provide readers. Steel1943 (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For reference, 2024 Summer Olympics medal table was created on 7 May 2024, 2020 Summer Olympics medal table was created as a redirect in 2018 (possibly too early, but I've not looked to see if there was content at the target at the time) but gained content on 8 July 2021 (about 2 weeks before the games started), 2016 Summer Olympics medal table was created in 2010 (definitely too early, it was nominated for speedy deletion, which was correctly declined, but should have been brought here) it gained content when the first medal was won, 2012 Summer Olympics medal table was created in February 2012 and gained content the day before the games started. 2008 Summer Olympics medal table was created in December 2007, prodded (and then forgotten about?), redirected in May 2008 and became a content page 2 weeks before the opening ceremony. 2004 Summer Olympics medal table was split off from the main 2004 Olympics article on the second day of the games, these were the first Summer Olympics after Wikipedia was founded. Thryduulf (talk) 00:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
United States at the 2028 Summer Olympics
[edit]- United States at the 2028 Summer Olympics → United States at the Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The only thing mentioned at the target regarding the 2028 games is that it's scheduled. This redirect isn't helpful as there's no information at the target, better left as a red link. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and WP:TOOSOON. There are lots of mentions of the US at 2028 Summer Olympics, but all but one relate to the country as host not the team. The sole sporting reference is to the men's basketball team which is too narrow a target for the search term. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it's detrimental to the focus and quality Wikipedia when things are made several years too early. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Reticulum cell sarcoma
[edit]- Reticulum cell sarcoma → Sarcoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reticulum-cell sarcoma → Sarcoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently not mentioned at the target. More specific articles like Contagious reticulum cell sarcoma mention this, but I'm not sure there is a generic description of this on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to contagious reticulum cell sarcoma – both redirects appear to be good search terms, and sarcoma is linked in the proposed target. I think that would help readers and researchers more. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 21:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's the only cancer the term is referring to, so it might lead to confusion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- CRCS appears to be the only RCS presently covered on Wikipedia, so confusion is unlikely for now. When other types are covered with their own articles, such as intraocular RCS, RCS of the thyroid gland, RCS of the spleen, RCS of the bone, RCS of the lymph node, and so on, then this title, "Reticulum cell sarcoma", can become an overview article or a dab page. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 02:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- PS. We should note here that the other redirect would then, of course, be retargeted to the new overview article as an unprintworthy {{redirect from modification}}. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 02:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now another one is mentioned at the Skin sarcoma article (recently created from the discussion below). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Sarcoma of skin
[edit]Does not seem to be mentioned; Skin cancer might be a better target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I turned into
disambigbecause there are several types thereof. A potential fora general article stub, Skin sarcoma: [11], [12] and I guess more - Altenmann >talk 22:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- Thanks, that should probably be mentioned in the skin cancer article as well then. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons
[edit]- List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons → List of The Legend of Zelda characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no such list at the target article, and there is no such list at The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons. However, this redirect is a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 07:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- delete. no good (or any) sources in the history, seemingly nothing worth copying over cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Gradatio
[edit]Not mentioned at target. FTR, created by Neelix. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom and also because, from what I can tell, it is actually manifestly incorrect. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Paul Angerer#Selected works as the title of one of his works and one of only three matches in article space. The other two are both very partial title matches, one for "The Uses of Sorites (Climax, Gradatio) in the Tannaitic Period." at Henry A. Fischel#Literary works the other for "Attitudes of Collaborative Expectancy: Antithesis, Gradatio, and A Rhetoric of Motives", a journal article used as a source at Antithesis. Weak because the term does seem to be used in rhetoric but I'm not grasping it enough to understand whether a redlink would be useful. Thryduulf (talk) 18:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Neelix trolling. No mention in target. Softlavender (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/211291944 was where they added it to the article (without any reference) fwiw. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
"Zelda 3" through "Zelda 20"
[edit]- Zelda 3 → The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda III → The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 4 → The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda IV → The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 5 → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda V → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 6 → The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda VI → The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 7 → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda VII → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 8 → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda VIII → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 9 → The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and Four Swords (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda IX → The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and Four Swords (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 10 → The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda X → The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 11 → The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XI → The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 12 → The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XII → The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 13 → The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XIII → The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 14 → The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XIV → The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 15 → The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XV → The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 16 → The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XVI → The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 17 → The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XVII → The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 18 → The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XVIII → The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda 19 → The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zelda XIX → The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
- Zelda 20 → The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
With the exceptions of Zelda 1 and Zelda 2, none of the The Legend of Zelda games have used numbers in their titles. I mean, I get it, the numbers are supposed to represent the order in which they were released, but such an association on Wikipedia is the equivalent of a WP:NOTFANDOM issue. There are several complications with this nomenclature:
- This is not the only "Zelda" topic on Wikipedia
- There are Zelda games that are not included in this order which, arguably, could be, such as:
- Hyrule Warriors
- Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity
- The games listed in the articles Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon and Zelda's Adventure
- The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom (though this one is probably an oversight as Zelda 21 doesn't exist yet)
- The multiple remakes of these games
- The current target of Zelda 9 is partially a remake of the current target of Zelda 3
- Someone could be looking up these titles to determine the chronological order of these games' storylines and well ... that's a can of worms that no one can pull apart into a canon-like substance
At the minimum, the numbering gets ambiguous after Zelda 7: Zelda 7 and Zelda 8 both target The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages, but a reader could assume that both games represent "Zelda 7" and the "8th" title is whatever Zelda 9 currently points to.
With all this being said, my official vote is delete all with the alternative of weak delete all titles from Zelda 8 to Zelda 20. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. None of them are referred to as that commonly enough to keep. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - neither this series (nor reliable sources) use this numbering system for its title. Not likely or plausible as a search term. Sergecross73 msg me 14:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- To follow up, I support deleting all of them on the same grounds. Opposed to retargeting elsewhere on the same grounds. Sergecross73 msg me 15:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all For reasons used above. Ornov Ganguly TALK 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dissident93, Sergecross73, and Oganguly: Pinging current participants in the event they wish to alter their votes now that all of the discussions have been merged. Steel1943 (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retargeting to List_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda_media#Video_games could be an option in case people are looking these up, otherwise delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- will partially object to the justification for zelda 9, as despite the fire emblem franchise not using numbers either (hell, heroes could be a mainline installment for all we know) the "11nd" and "12rd" installments are remakes. will still vote to delete them all as that would require knowing what a mainline zelda game even is (and why the cd-i games don't count while spirit tracks does), and no one seems to use those wacky numbers... ever, really cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The CD-i games don't count because Nintendo had no involvement in them other than licencing out the property to Phillips as a consolation for mothballing the SNES CD add-on they were working on. The other partner they went with took their ball elsewhere when Nintendo saw the Mega CD bomb. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- that all sounds like an excuse to not accept harkinian as the new main character of the franchise cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The CD-i games don't count because Nintendo had no involvement in them other than licencing out the property to Phillips as a consolation for mothballing the SNES CD add-on they were working on. The other partner they went with took their ball elsewhere when Nintendo saw the Mega CD bomb. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I just added all respective Roman numeral variations to this nomination ... as I just found them. As a courtesy, @Dissident93, Sergecross73, Oganguly, 1234qwer1234qwer4, and Cogsan: Pinging all current participants. (For the record, Zelda XX does not exist.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just casting my support to purge those as well. In all my many---potentially regrettable---years being an online Zelda fan, I have never heard anyone calling the games by a numeral or number besides the first two NES games. Ornov Ganguly TALK 17:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete them too, if only because roman numerals make my brain go ouch cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - And to make a note, the Hyrule Warriors games are non-canon musou spinoffs and Nintendo refuses to acknowledge the CD-i games in any capacity, which is why they aren't given redirects. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget all to List of The Legend of Zelda media#Video games. I spot checked a few of these and they all seem to get used unoficially but not all consistently referring to the same target, so targetting the list is the best way to help readers find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who search these terms will be searching these terms with no idea what they are looking for, and no idea if they got what they wanted to find or where on the list article what they are trying to find is ... as per my nomination statement. And who is to say this is the "Zelda" they are looking for? Steel1943 (talk) 18:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Zelda 3/III to Zelda 5/V; Delete the rest - As noted at Legends of Localization, Zelda III to Zelda V did appear in gaming magazines of the time with Zelda III appearing on one variant of the box art for the SNES. Zelda V has the least references to OoT as Zelda 64 was more popular and Zelda VI doesn't seem to exist. --Super Goku V (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep/Delete per Super Goku V's research. It seems like the latter is used in "what ifs" (eg: what if Zelda games were numbered in timeline order), which would be a whole different set of numerals than the chronological releases. -- Tavix (talk) 23:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all I can see this being really controversial and starting nerdy edit wars. Really just totally unnecessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Zelda's 3/III to 5/V, delete the rest. Just because Zelda 16 or Zelda 20 might be implausible, doesn't mean we should throw everything out in between, and Super Goku V points out that some of the earlier numbers in this lineage have been used as real alternative names back when the first couple games in the numbering-scheme were more timely. Utopes (talk / cont) 13:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicity of a restricted root
[edit]- Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicities
[edit]- Multiplicities → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unclear that this plural form would not be ambiguous the same way as Multiplicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The term is used in other disciplines but mathematics is by far the primary topic in my search results. A hatnote to the dab will suffice for those looking for other things. Thryduulf (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
First try
[edit]- First try → Peter Oakley#Telling It All (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is the name of a Youtube introductory video, before a 5-10 minute documentary. In any case, "first try"s are an incredibly broad concept and should not be limited to this specific circumstance, as it could also be in reference to "try"ing someone the first time, via legal systems, or just trying something new. We have no substantive content about Oakley's "introductory video" for incoming searchers, so it'd be best to rid of this totally WP:SURPRISEing redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 12:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- i'd say
nagpolitely ask someone on wiktionary to see if an entry could be written, and soft redirect to that. if that's not an option, just delete and call it a day cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It is highly unlikely that most people searching this term would be looking for this specific youtube video. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Young human
[edit]This redirect is barely a week old, similarly to an infant (which is also a valid target). "Young" is an incredibly vague term, and should not be locked into a redirect. A young adult is also a young human, as is a teenager. People looking for the article on "child" would just use that incredibly-natural term. Wikipedia redirects should not be guesswork; let search engines do their job with this. Utopes (talk / cont) 12:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because why not Baby, Toddler, or Teenager? Steel1943 (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of a good target. Template:Human growth and development sidebar has a nice list of stages, but all of Infant, Toddler, Child, Preadolescent, Adolescent, Emerging adulthood and early adulthood and Young adult are unquestionably relevant (and Embryo, Fetus and Middle adult could be argued). A navbox template can sometimes make a good target for a redirect, but the sidebox form factor doesn't lend itself to this purpose. The closest thing to an article space page that lists all the options I can find is Child development stages (which covers infancy to seventeen years old) but that's going to be increasingly surprising and less useful for those thinking of "young" as meaning something other than "child". I don't think a dab page is viable given the ambiguity, so I'm left at delete. Thryduulf (talk) 18:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete possible useful but ambiguous. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Due to vagueness. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
This woman is my destiny
[edit]- This woman is my destiny → Shut Up and Dance (Walk the Moon song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this lyric at the target article; people who specify this lyric instead of typing in "shut up and dance" (which is the vastly known name of this song), are likely looking for specific information related to the lyric, which does not appear anywhere at the target page. We don't point lyric redirects to the songs they came from, unless its a source that describes the lyric. Utopes (talk / cont) 12:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Extremal
[edit]Maximum and minimum would be a more specific target; that said, topics like Extremal combinatorics could also be related to such a search. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Moldorm
[edit]- Moldorm → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Nightmares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of this redirect is a "boss" enemy in several The Legend of Zelda titles, leaving there potentially no target for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect target changed. Apokrif (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted this change, considering this RFD is open. Per the edit I reverted, seems their intent was to "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games". Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I oppose "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games" since the subject of this redirect has affinity to the Legend of Zelda series, meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about fictional worms. Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
WP:SILENCEWP:NOQUORUM = nominator's proposal ("delete" by default), but that doesn't apply anymore since you have voiced an opinion for a retargeting option, and I don't agree with it. Steel1943 (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Fixed the link I meant. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as the Moldorm boss does not originate from Link's Awakening; it first appeared in the game immediately before this one and so people looking for it are equally likely to be looking up the ALttP incarnation as the LA one. I'm not willing to Pokemon Test random LoZ bosses. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Postman (The Legend of Zelda series)
[edit]- Postman (The Legend of Zelda series) → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Postman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. Character is present in multiple titles in the Zelda series, including Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Steel1943 (talk) 07:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- There was a section for it when the redirect was created. It's linked to at Postman (disambiguation) under MOS:DABREDIR. If the character isn't notable – I have no opinion on it – the dab entry should also be removed. Nick Number (talk) 13:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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Magik (film)
[edit]- Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Draftify or AfD after restoration?
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- Comment - Well, this is really two separate issues. The draft(s) can be restored and draftified, if desired. What needs to be determined here is: Are these appropriate titles to point (i.e redirect) to targets in the mainspace? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per WP:NFF as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because it'll just be deleted six months down the road. -- Tavix (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with draftspace. -- Tavix (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Delete or draftify?
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- Delete Magik (2015 film) at least – it has no meaningful page history and the year disambiguator doesn't apply anymore. Probably delete Magik (film) as well since there is very little chance the film will ever be made or be notable enough as an unmade film to have its own article. I don't see the point in draftifying it. Also, the current target is confusing. Mclay1 (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Onox
[edit]- Onox → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Onox, the General of Darkness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of the redirect as intended is related to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages as the subject's antagonist. However, there are other unrelated mentions of "Onox" at Katonah (Native American leader) and Taphow that could potentially be a target for this title. (Leaning "delete" and "weak disambiguate".) Steel1943 (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. none of the other onoxes seem noteworthy enough to warrant redirects either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages since Onox was the primary antagonist of Oracle of Seasons making it a plausible search term. The other Onexs mentioned are seemingly nonontible relieves of Native Americans we have articles on so I see making a Dabpage as unnecessary.--65.92.162.79 (talk) 06:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Onox is a plausible search term for Oracle of Seasons per the IP. Also, it would be absurd to consider Veran notable enough to warrant top billing in her dab page but Onox not notable enough to get a redirect. Nickps (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Four Giants
[edit]- Four Giants → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Four Giants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. This concept is mentioned at The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Story, given that this is a story concept in that game, but I'm not sure if that is a sufficient target or not. (I'm leaning "delete".) Steel1943 (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- surprisingly, a name composed of a number followed by a relatively common word can refer to more than one thing, though none of the other possible targets seem to be notable. i'd say delete, if only until someone decides to reminisce about their legs or something cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask given their significant plot role in the game. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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- Retarget to the story section of Majora's Mask, as they are mentioned there as major characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Lord Jabu-Jabu
[edit]- Lord Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lord Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Character/dungeon of the Legend of Zelda universe that is not mentioned in the target article, Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The only mention of this character on Wikipedia seems to be at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, but I'm pretty sure that target is not the target readers trying to information about this character are intending to go, meaning deletion is probably preferred over retargeting there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If there were a lot of page views I'd contend that it should just be changed to mention Jabu-Jabu on the characters or OoT article, but none of them are even double digits, suggesting no one is really using these redirects anyway. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cukie Gherkin: Just FYI, I apparently had an edit conflict with you when I updated my rationale to include finding a mention at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, in case that changes your stance. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Page views aren't necessarily a concern regarding readers finding this information; what's more important is that the information exists if any reader is trying to find that information. Meaning ... should this character be added to an article, probably Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? (I'm assuming that the content was previously at its current target, considering the target is coded in these redirects, and you are the creator of Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time [assuming my requested history merge has not occurred yet].) Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think my stance remains the same, as I don't think people would expect to be taken there if they do search for it. As far as page views, they were just offered as an example of an incentive for perhaps mentioning Jabu-Jabu somewhere if he was someone people were searching. As far as the characters page, I think the most that could be done would be to mention Jabu Jabu under Ruto's page, but I'm not sure that would really be enough to warrant redirects. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Dionysus in Greek mythology
[edit]- Category:Dionysus in Greek mythology → Category:Mythology of Dionysus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unneeded soft redirect from an unlikely search term. What other mythology would Dionysus appear in? This redirect was created shortly before its target (which used to be Category:Dionysus in mythology). Mclay1 (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- keep. osiris isn't really a recurring character in shinto lore, but people will still specify that he's from egyptian mythology. same goes for dionysus in greek mythology, give or take the roman dub changing everyone's names (except his, apparently), so i think it's a pretty plausible case of "just in case" or alternative spelling cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- You would specify Osiris is from Egyptian mythology when explaining what Osiris is, but you wouldn't need a subcat of Category:Osiris called Category:Osiris in Egyptian mythology because that's what the main category is already for. This redirect is very unlikely to aid navigation. (See Wikipedia:Category redirects that should be kept.) Mclay1 (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- Delete. There are rare situations where a soft redirect is needed, this isn't one of them. Gonnym (talk) 11:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dionysus is technically a Latin/Latinised name of the god (Dionysos), but we don't have a category or separate article for the Roman Bacchus, so this is essentially a redirect from a more restrictive name, which I don't think is needed. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Game deck
[edit]Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the target article and the redirect unclear. Per the edit history of the redirect, seems the intent of this term was to correlate with the subject at Handheld game console. However, this term has been WP:SEO'ed on third party search engines to apparently establish that this phrase exclusively refers to Steam Deck. (This redirect is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Deck-building game or maybe just Playing card (which is where Deck of cards also goes), or Card game. Googling "game deck" (including quotes) supports this. Steam deck doesn't refer to itself as a "game deck" (google results for "game deck" (no quotes) showing Steam Decks are just because the the Steam Deck plays/allows purchase of games. BugGhost🦗👻 10:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Seems overly vague. Search function exists for a reason. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Electronic entertainment
[edit]- Electronic entertainment → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The concept is not exclusive to its target. First exceptions that come to mind are Television and Film. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Outline of entertainment#Electronic entertainment may be a viable target (but the sub-list badly needs revised; e.g. arcade games are not listed but generalized toys are). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Too vague, WP:REDLINK may apply also if there's a broad concept article to be made from this. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Home computer game
[edit]- Home computer game → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Home computer games → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if these redirects should be retained at their current target or be retargeted to Video game. Per the result of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Computer game, Computer game was retargeted away from PC game and to Video game. Considering the current states of the articles Home computer and Personal computer ("PC" in the current target), it does not seem as though the usage of the phrase "home computer" exclusively refers to "personal computer". Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the target works with the significant home computer game history on the PC game article and is not comparable to the computer game redirect result. A disambiguation hatnote was added to the video game article by me, maybe add something similar to PC game? IgelRM (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Who's gonna type this over "computer game"? Unnecessary and pointless over-redirection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Gay cake
[edit]- Gay cake → Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gay cake case → Lee v Ashers Baking Company Ltd and others (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
At the moment, the two target articles are connected by hatnotes, which might end up being the best solution, but I believe it's less than ideal for the two redirects to have different targets. My main suggestion is to Disambiguate (that is, turn gay cake case into a DAB page), especially as it's possible that another lawsuit could arise from a similar situation. However, "gay cake case" is explicitly cited in the Lee v Ashers article but not in Masterpiece Cakeshop, and "gay cake" on its own doesn't immediately suggest that the article is about a lawsuit. My secondary suggestion is therefore to Delete gay cake only. Tevildo (talk) 23:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget/Convert Gay cake case to a disambiguation page, Delete Gay cake - Even with context "Gay cake" is a mite ambiguous; "Gay cake case" is a lot more obvious but the fact there's multiple cases like this is an argument for dabbing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For context, at the time I redirected Gay cake case to the eponymous subsection: LGBT rights in Northern Ireland#Gay cake case. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Gay cake case, all results on the first two pages of Google for "Gay cake case" are Lee v Ashers, making it the primary topic, Masterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado Civil Rights Commission is the WP:ONEOTHER topic and should be a hatnote on Lee v Ashers. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, should gay cake be deleted, retargetted to Lee v Ashers, or kept as a redirect to Masterpiece Cakeshop? Tevildo (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm undecided, but the results seem similar to Gay cake case, in which case it should also be a redirect to Lee v Ashers. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, should gay cake be deleted, retargetted to Lee v Ashers, or kept as a redirect to Masterpiece Cakeshop? Tevildo (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make Gay cake case into a disambig page, redirect Gay cake to that page. --Bensin (talk) 22:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Gay cake case. Masterpiece is not commonly nicknamed "the gay cake case", unlike Ashers. Lean delete Gay cake per nom. SilverLocust 💬 05:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Misty Williams
[edit]- Misty Williams → Misty (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
same rationale as below, different character, wrong surname (apparently, results seem torn between williams and waterflower) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, C F A 💬 20:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)- for the record, "below" refers to "brock harrison", a name seemingly originating from a fanfic, that may or may not have been coincidentally mentioned before by brock's english voice actor cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This name is not mentioned on the target page and the low page views suggests it isn't a common search term either. --RL0919 (talk) 16:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Brock Harrison
[edit]- Brock Harrison → Brock (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i do not want to elaborate on how many layers of obscure fanon this is, so i hope the explanation can begin and end at "that's fanmade" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment there's apparently an old interview featuring Brock's VA where he mentions this information, but it seems pretty trivial regardless. Linking the archived link of the interview that I could find, but admittedly I'm not sure if this would sway anything either way. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...huh. won't debate the canonicity of that (debatable as its canonicity is, see word of saint paul on tv tropes), but i will suggest not risking adding it to avoid enabling that side of the pokémon fandom fanfic fandom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as very obscure synonym even if true --Lenticel (talk) 02:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't intend to vote on this, but it is plausable that the surname was given to the character in some international dubbings. At least I personally have a recollection of this being the case and thus the R being a plausable search term, but it would be very difficult to verify now, due to a need to search potential distorted/localised alterations of the name. Respublik (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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Everyone around the world, c'mon - Yahoo! - It's a celebration!
[edit]- Everyone around the world, c'mon - Yahoo! - It's a celebration! → Celebration (Kool & the Gang song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not the first line of the song. Totally implausible to use a space dash space before and after the "yahoo" with an exclamation point, followed by the rest of "it's a celebration". The vastly more plausible means of reaching this page is by typing "Celebration" in the search bar, as the Kool & the Gang song is option #5. People searching for this particular set of three lyrics, will be disappointed that the full extent of their search term is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- this hurts my grammar bones. kill it with fire cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Overly detailed lyric with dashes, etc., that is not discussed on the page. (The more basic version of the lyric, "Everyone around the world, come on", is mentioned there and would be more plausible.) --RL0919 (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Well you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man, no time to talk
[edit]- Well you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man, no time to talk → Stayin' Alive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Invalid use of an "R from lyric", which are designed to be for "redirects to a source that discusses the lyric" at the target page. People who search for this instead of "Stayin' alive" are looking for particular information about the lyric in question that they used as a deliberate search term; which, will disappoint readers when they find nothing related to it at the page. We do not generally redirect lyrics to songs on the premise that they "are lyrics for the songs", even IF it is the first two lines of the song. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Overly long lyric that is not discussed on the target page. --RL0919 (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Not a problem
[edit]- Not a problem → Parker Lewis Can't Lose (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently no mention of this... shockingly common phrase, at the target article. With zero context for incoming readers, this is a misleading and WP:SURPRISEing redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. if anything, the line is more iconic to the mother series (where it's actually "no problem here") cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This phrase is far too common to redirect to a specific source, let alone one where it's not considered iconic enough to warrant a mention in the article. A surprising redirect indeed. Glades12 (talk) 08:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Far too generic to be directed to this specific series, especially when it isn't discussed on the target page. --RL0919 (talk) 21:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Lager, lager, lager, mega-mega-white thing
[edit]- Lager, lager, lager, mega-mega-white thing → Born Slippy Nuxx (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No reason to use commas, and then switching to hyphens make this spelling variant totally implausible and unexpectable. We don't typically redirect lyrics to the songs that they originated from, unless the lyric has specific significance and references specifically directed to the importance of the lyric, which doesn't seem to be the case here (the only mention of this is taken from a reference's quote by happenstance, seemingly). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Actually if you know this song then using a mix of commas and hyphens isn't implausible - it's sort of a list of four items, tree of which are "lager" and the fourth is "mega-mega-white thing". People search for songs based on the part of the lyrics they can remember (I do this a lot) but external search engines are much better equipped to deal with such searches than Wikipedia is. If someone does want to read the Wikipedia article about the song they can search after learning the title if it isn't in their search results. Thryduulf (talk) 18:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
How's the world treating you, Norm?
[edit]- How's the world treating you, Norm? → Norm Peterson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this phrase at the target article. People who know of this phrase would certainly know of the character called "Norm". With zero context for this search term, this redirect will disappoint readers who use it and realize after scrolling the entire article for Norm Peterson that there is no mention of the search term they used to reach the article. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Newman!
[edit]- Hello, Newman! → Newman (Seinfeld) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Only mentioned once at the target phrase article, claiming to be "Jerry's trademark phrase" for Newman. Is the phrase trademarked? No clue, as there is no reference anywhere in the paragraph where this is stated to be true. Otherwise implausible for people to use this phrase to reach the article about Newman from Seinfeld, before searchers attempt to search for Newman (Seinfeld) (as the character's name is in the phrase in question). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term, and there is no other plausible target. "target phrase"? Did you mean "target article"? Jay 💬 17:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Jerry's trademark phrase" uses the figurative/colloquial meaning of trademark. It is not a legal assertion that Jerry uses the phrase to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do we do soft redirects to Wikiquote? (Not sure if a target exists, not sure if we do such soft redirects these days ... just asking based on our Wiktionary soft redirects' existence.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I just looked at Wikiquote for a bit: Seems it's more focused on non-serial media, such as films, instead of reoccurring media, such as TV series. What I mean is if a quote is stated more than once in a media (such as multiple episodes in a series), it seems there is no clear target for the quote on Wiktionary. (There may be character pages ... but I haven't figured that out yet.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Well, now, I wouldn't say that
[edit]- Well, now, I wouldn't say that → Fibber McGee and Molly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this phrase at the target article. Zero context for people who use this search term, and end up at a target where the phrase they searched for has zero mentions, and zero presumable importance if its never been included since 2002. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Relatively generic phrase that isn't mentioned in the target article. And there probably isn't much searching for phrases from radio shows that went off the air over 50 years ago. --RL0919 (talk) 22:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, I'll be there.
[edit]- I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. → The Grapes of Wrath (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of these three sentences at the target page. Totally implausible for people to use this phrase as a means of navigating to the Grapes of Wrath, instead of just typing... "the grapes of wrath". Wikipedia has never had a practice of creating a redirect for the first line, or last line, or whichever line in between of a book, and targeting it to the book itself. The only time this could POSSIBLY happen is if the line in question had some type of significance to be substantially mentioned, or perhaps it has its very own standalone article and notability? But absolutely not for an unmentioned string of three sentences, with no context at the target page. The small number of people who'd use this search term instead of "the grapes of wrath", would be disappointed to have no information related to their exact search phrase. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I sometimes use a notable (and in this case, a culturally iconic) line, if I can't quite recall the film I am searching for in internet search engines.Halbared (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. In addition to being another overlong quote that is not in the target page, this quote from the movie is just a rephrasing of dialogue that is also in the novel. --RL0919 (talk) 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Brotherhood of Shadow
[edit]- Brotherhood of Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brothers of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brotherhood of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about this topic with no information at this target. However, there are mentions of the phrase "Brotherhood of Shadow" in multiple articles about subtopics of the target, but since it is mentioned in "multiple", it's not clear why any alternative target is preferred over another. Also, Brotherhood of Shadow is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's an apparently recurring name for a cult that... honestly, the only real pattern i can see in it is being led by quan chi. it's also the name of an unrelated game series that doesn't seem to have an article. i'd say delete, as pretty much no one cares about this name, and i doubt the games will have their own articles. not even sure ed cared about the cult at the time, since killing reptile took priority
- as for which spelling is right? the list of mortal kombat characters directly mentions and uses... two of them. in passing. and the cult isn't mentioned on quan chi's section at all. i suppose killing reptile took priority over deciding on a name as well cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For an opinion on the pre-redirect page history.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- killing reptile apparently took priority over adding sources to... anything there, so i'm not feeling it either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm only three and a half years old.
[edit]- I'm only three and a half years old. → The Abbott and Costello Show (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The only mention of this phrase at the target article is that "it was often quoted in Looney Tunes and Tex Avery's cartoons. It appears on multiple other pages, but there's really no benefit towards redirecting it anywhere, as it seems to be far more appropriate to let the search results do it's thing, (or better yet: type the quote into Google instead, as there's zero guarantee that a redirect exists for any given quote), rather than lock people into a subjective target that only provides a sentence worth of context (an average amount compared to the other Wikipedia pages out there). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not only does this phrase appear in several articles, what is presented in those articles suggests this target might be a misrepresentation of the catchphrase's history. According to the article on Billy Gray (comedian), he originated the phrase while playing a character on Abbott and Costello's radio show, not the TV show discussed in the target article. Another article links the phrase to a different radio program, The Baby Snooks Show. Without a clear target, I agree with leaving this to general search. --RL0919 (talk) 21:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm the Nostalgia Critic. I remember it, so you don't have to.
[edit]- Hello, I'm the Nostalgia Critic. I remember it, so you don't have to. → Nostalgia Critic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this quote at the target page. Totally implausible that someone would type this looking for the Nostalgia Critic general topic (as opposed to the specific quote they typed in), as anyone who knows this phrase already knows who the Nostalgia Critic is. Indeed, their name is already spelled out in the fourth and fifth words of this unmentioned two-sentence redirect. The second sentence becomes totally unnecessary, and also disappointing to people who type this entire thing out as there is zero context or significance about Nostalgia Critic's intro discussed anywhere at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- "implausible", the search may not be. his intro line is kind of a pretty big meme (not for any good reasons, mind you). still, not mentioned, so... strong eh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's implausible for people searching for information on the Nostalgia Critic, to use the entire opening monologue of the Nostalgia Critic, instead of searching for the two words of "nostalgia critic". As you point out, the intro has been used for memes in the past, so people searching for it INSTEAD of just typing "nostalgia critic" into the search bar, are likely looking for coverage of the phrase (which we have zero of on Wikipedia). Utopes (talk / cont) 18:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- wait a minute, it's punctuated wrong, delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Considering the intro includes the guy's name, this is just writing a bunch of irrelevant text to get to the same spot. It'd be like writing out the Angry Video Game Nerd's theme song to get to the article on him. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Long quote, not mentioned in the target article, and the name of the target article is already in the quote begging to be searched for directly. --RL0919 (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
And awaaay we go! (catchphrase)
[edit]- And awaaay we go! (catchphrase) → Jackie Gleason (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Totally implausible to type three "a"s due to it being a personal interpretation of something this person once said. A redirect with "away" doesn't exist, which is the more natural way of typing this. A "catchphrase" disambiguator is misleading as the target page is not about a catchphrase, but a person. While the phrase does appear at the target article, every mention is at the end of an unsourced paragraph. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A redirect for this phrase with normal spelling is reasonable – it appears at his gravesite and on a statue of him – but the 'aaa' is not. --RL0919 (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Train leaving on Track Five for Anaheim, Azusa and Cuc-amonga!
[edit]- Train leaving on Track Five for Anaheim, Azusa and Cuc-amonga! → The Jack Benny Program (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Near replica of a deleted redirect, my position in the previous deletion discussion is still true that a random hyphenation makes this a totally unlikely means of searching especially when the "Cucamonga" version without a hyphen doesn't even exist. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete per the previous rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - If the previous redirect - which is the same save for two characters being swapped - was deleted as implausible, then so's this one. The fact that Google doesn't return anything useful for this puts a full stop on it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Changing the some capitalization and placement of a hyphen doesn't make this any more plausible than the one that was already deleted. --RL0919 (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Ay-thang-jaw!
[edit]- Ay-thang-jaw! → Arthur Askey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear anywhere in the text. This personal interpretation of a particular phrase does not lend well as a redirect, no indication that people would type this, and Wikipedia is not Wikiquote. We do not have any context about a "thang" "jaw" at the target article, and the pronounciation of "yaw" (which exists in the article with zero references, and should honestly just be cut right now as totally unnecessary information), appears only one time. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The catchphrase "Ay-thang-yaw" (not "Ay-thang-jaw!") appears in the lead section, with other catchphrases. These all need sourcing in the main article before any redirects are considered. I think this redirect should be deleted, espcially since its spelling and exclamation mark are very dubious. Also, shouldn't 'Template:R from catchphrase' be used, in any case? Masato.harada (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible spelling that does not appear in the target article. --RL0919 (talk) 21:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
You're a haa-aa-aa-aard man, McGee!
[edit]- You're a haa-aa-aa-aard man, McGee! → The Great Gildersleeve (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Totally implausible to type two a's, followed by a hyphen, followed by two a's, and etc, to represent a prolonged sound. The letters "haa" only appear in the article once, in an unsourced personal interpretation of what this probably sounded like. Besides that, there's no other information for this search term, with no indication or claim that it is notable (no sources present in relation to it). Utopes (talk / cont) 16:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
They bite, they fight, they bite and bite and fight
[edit]- They bite, they fight, they bite and bite and fight → Itchy & Scratchy & Marge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A replica redirect of an unmentioned lyric from the show in question. This lyric, which was not mentioned anywhere in December of last year, is still not mentioned anywhere. Speedy deletion via G12 was tossed as a possibility during the previous RfD: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 30#They fight, and bite. They fight, and bite, and fight. Fight, fight, fight. Bite, bite, bite. The Itchy & Scratchy Show! but the target still provides zero context for this search term. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this redirect is definitely not a G12 candidate. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tossed around for the previous redirect's RfD*; this is a different redirect than what was discussed then. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. "Itchy & Scratchy & Marge", I'm pretty certain, isn't the only The Simpsons episode to feature the Itchy & Scratchy theme; so does "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" (albeit in altered format). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, retarget to The Itchy & Scratchy Show, though this may be an implausible
{{R from lyric}}
. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, retarget to The Itchy & Scratchy Show, though this may be an implausible
Henry-y-y-y! Hen-ry Al-drich!
[edit]- Henry-y-y-y! Hen-ry Al-drich! → The Aldrich Family (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Almost identical version to a previously deleted redirect (see: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 30#Hen-reeeeeeeeeeeee! Hen-ree Al-drich!), but instead of 13 E's, it's a "y" followed by a hyphen, followed by a "y", followed by a hyphen, followed by a "y", followed by a hyphen, followed by a "y", followed by an exclamation point. From there, the name is separated with hyphens and makes this a highly implausible search term due to this stylization being highly unreplicable and impractical. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Kallipateira
[edit]- Kallipateira → Diagoras of Rhodes#Kallipateira (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is presently an article on Kallipateira of Rhodes, and I think it might be better to point this to that article than to a section on the article about her father. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel)
[edit]- Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) → Past Doctor Adventures#List of Past Doctor Adventures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Move history to correct disambiguation at Empire of Death (Bishop novel). Per WP:BOOKDAB we disambiguate by author not series. See Category:Novels by Peter Darvill-Evans as one example of many. --woodensuperman 08:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a perfectly normal {{R from other disambiguation}}. We don't require readers to know our naming conventions before being able to find the article they want. In this case even if they do know that books are generally disambiguated by author they could use this search term if they don't know who wrote it. Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- So why do you actually object? Currently, the redirect Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) is sitting in multiple categories, but really it should be the correctly disambiguated Empire of Death (Bishop novel) in these categories per WP:CONSISTENT. As there is a page history behind the redirected article, it would make sense for the article to be moved, rather than just de-populating the categories from one redirect and re-populating from another. --woodensuperman 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- What I am objecting to is deletion of a redirect that is useful to readers. If you actually just want to swap the redirects then that's OK, but I admit to not understanding the point. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not advocating removal of either redirect, both are valid. Just need to move the history to the correctly disambiguated one, and make sure the correctly disambiguated one is the one populating the categories. Should have been simple maintenance, but another editor objected for no apparent reason. --woodensuperman 13:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- What I am objecting to is deletion of a redirect that is useful to readers. If you actually just want to swap the redirects then that's OK, but I admit to not understanding the point. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- So why do you actually object? Currently, the redirect Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) is sitting in multiple categories, but really it should be the correctly disambiguated Empire of Death (Bishop novel) in these categories per WP:CONSISTENT. As there is a page history behind the redirected article, it would make sense for the article to be moved, rather than just de-populating the categories from one redirect and re-populating from another. --woodensuperman 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the history at the current location. This is a book that originates from a television series, and thus conforms across multiple naming conventions. Per WP:NCEPISODE, which primarily focuses on episode and character articles,
Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element).
As per the example given, this covers all other elements; i.e. just how Serenity (Firefly episode) and Serenity (Firefly vessel) are disambiguated from each other using the same programme name, as are Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode) and Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel). Given that the article also doesn't actually exist due to the AFD related to it, note that the AFD related to the Doctor Who disambiguation, and thus the relevant history should remain at the Doctor Who disambiguation.
-- Alex_21 TALK 07:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a book, not a TV episode, therefore we follow the naming conventions at WP:NCBOOKS. Simple as that. --woodensuperman 10:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is media from and related to a television series, thus it crosses multiple naming conventions; per the lead of NCTV, it covers the
article title for any topic related to television
. Ta. -- Alex_21 TALK 22:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)- So where is the specific part of that guideline that covers naming conventions for TV related books? I think you'll find it's still WP:NCBOOKS. --woodensuperman 18:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have argued my position, and will not go in our textbook circular discussions. We'll await the consensus of this discussion. Cheers. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- So where is the specific part of that guideline that covers naming conventions for TV related books? I think you'll find it's still WP:NCBOOKS. --woodensuperman 18:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is media from and related to a television series, thus it crosses multiple naming conventions; per the lead of NCTV, it covers the
- Move per nom. This appears to be much ado... why was the original page move halted? Yes, "Bishop novel" is the canonical name where we'd expect an article and where the history should live, as stated by the nom, but also the current title is totally fine so we should keep the redirect. Unless I'm missing a conversation somewhere, this seems uncontroversial. So move it to the proposed title and keep all redirects as valid. Easy. czar 19:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is, I guess, so we don't reward wasting the community's time by starting a weekslong discussion over frivolities. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ironically, without your non-!vote above, an admin might have been minded to close this as a move, so you've actually ended up wasting more of the community's time on what should have been a straightforward move in line with our guidelines. --woodensuperman 11:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Attacking another editor on their !vote is the poorest faith move I've seen yet. They have every right to voice their opinion; your saltiness that it wasn't closed your way needs to be taken elsewhere. -- Alex_21 TALK 11:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ironically, without your non-!vote above, an admin might have been minded to close this as a move, so you've actually ended up wasting more of the community's time on what should have been a straightforward move in line with our guidelines. --woodensuperman 11:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. After all that, I have just realised that there isn't actually another novel called Empire of Death, so I assume it would be non-controversial to move the page history to Empire of Death (novel) instead, as additional disambiguators no longer seem necessary per WP:BOOKDAB. --woodensuperman 11:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Strogg in Quake 4
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake 4 → Quake 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. According to Talk:Quake 4#Enemies "it was agreed to merge the Strogg and the Quake 4 pages together" however I can't find that discussion nor does it appear that the content was actually merged. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- i was more so concerned with notgameguide tbh. those redirects usually get deleted over that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would be a rationale for deleting it at AfD, which is the correct venue to discuss deleting article content. Thryduulf (talk) 16:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- i was more so concerned with notgameguide tbh. those redirects usually get deleted over that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, agreeing with Cogsan that it would be inappropriate to restore this content due to WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. I note that because this is a redirect (and has been since 2007), this is the correct venue. -- Tavix (talk) 18:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Quackifier
[edit]- Quackifier → Quake III Arena (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not that i'm the biggest and oldest quake fan out there, but i haven't found any info on anything in the history ever actually existing with this name. results gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD. This was an article about a bit of software that "modified the OpenGL driver for ATI video cards, to change all references of "quake" to "quack"" to hack some code in the videocard drivers. I can't verify that (the reference is a dead link and google finds only usernames and ChatGPT output, after I insist I don't mean "qualifier"). Even though it's almost certainly not notable I can't find any evidence of the content being discussed and it's not speedy deletable so AfD is the correct venue. Thryduulf (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per
it's almost certainly not notable
, and I agree with that assessment. There's no need to take a bureaucratic extra step for something this obvious. -- Tavix (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC) - Delete. The article was redirected in 2008. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that an article about this subject that is not a guide could be written quite easily (focus on the technology, the impact of it, reactions to it, any legacy, etc). Whether such an article would meet the GNG is a different question and one that can policy says can only be answered at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- the answer already seems to be "no", considering how even you found nothing reliable, so what would be the point of this extra step? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Policy says that articles which don't meet the speedy deletion criteria are discussed at AfD. Ignoring that policy will not benefit the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply (IAR is rarely a good match when it comes to deletion anyway), because AfD gives a full chance for people who evaluate article content to evaluate article content and maximum visibility to those who know the topic area and can find sources. Such people do not tend to watch RfD because it's nearly always not relevant - because RfD discusses redirects not the deletion of article content. Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- to be honest, i don't really see how that justifies it. the stub before had one (1) source that doesn't even seem to be primarily about quackifier (couldn't get it to load /_ \), so there's no real point in interrupting the deletion of a pretty unambiguously not very notable redirect in one place so it can be deleted as a pretty unambiguously not notable article. also, where did the "speedy" part come from? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a redirect, not an article, so the "policy" that Thryduulf made a vague wave to, if it were to exist, wouldn't apply here. -- Tavix (talk) 23:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a disputed BLAR. Disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion of the article content, as the article content is what is being deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not. No one is advocating for keeping the article content. Even if there were, WP:BLAR says that if there is a disagreement that
other methods of dispute resolution should be used
. RfD is a method of dispute resolution. -- Tavix (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)- The redirection is disputed. I am arguing that the content should be restored and discussed as article content according to the policies for deletion of article content. In what way is that not a disputed BLAR? Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- In BLAR, the disagreement is between someone who wants to keep the page as an article and someone who wants to blank-and-redirect the article. In order for you to take that position, you must be in favor of keeping the article. You have not taken that position, your argument is purely jurisdictional. Please cite the policy you are appealing to. -- Tavix (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The disagreement is over the status as a redirect. The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
Pages that do not fall in the above three categories [copyvio, speedy deletion, prod] may be deleted after community discussion at one of the deletion discussion venues
. Deletion venues is linked to: Wikipedia:Deletion processes which states that AfD is for articles and RfD is for redirects. We're dealing with article content hidden by an undiscussed redirect that has been objected to: i.e. a WP:BLAR which statesIf other editors disagree with this blanking, [...] the content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used, such as restoring the article and nominating the article for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.
. - Please quote the policy that allows for deletion of articles at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
Pages that do not fall in the above three categories [copyvio, speedy deletion, prod] may be deleted after community discussion at one of the deletion discussion venues
. Deletion venues is linked to: Wikipedia:Deletion processes which states that AfD is for articles and RfD is for redirects. This is a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
- The disagreement is over the status as a redirect. The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
- In BLAR, the disagreement is between someone who wants to keep the page as an article and someone who wants to blank-and-redirect the article. In order for you to take that position, you must be in favor of keeping the article. You have not taken that position, your argument is purely jurisdictional. Please cite the policy you are appealing to. -- Tavix (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirection is disputed. I am arguing that the content should be restored and discussed as article content according to the policies for deletion of article content. In what way is that not a disputed BLAR? Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not. No one is advocating for keeping the article content. Even if there were, WP:BLAR says that if there is a disagreement that
- This is a disputed BLAR. Disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion of the article content, as the article content is what is being deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Policy says that articles which don't meet the speedy deletion criteria are discussed at AfD. Ignoring that policy will not benefit the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply (IAR is rarely a good match when it comes to deletion anyway), because AfD gives a full chance for people who evaluate article content to evaluate article content and maximum visibility to those who know the topic area and can find sources. Such people do not tend to watch RfD because it's nearly always not relevant - because RfD discusses redirects not the deletion of article content. Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- the answer already seems to be "no", considering how even you found nothing reliable, so what would be the point of this extra step? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that an article about this subject that is not a guide could be written quite easily (focus on the technology, the impact of it, reactions to it, any legacy, etc). Whether such an article would meet the GNG is a different question and one that can policy says can only be answered at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
BFGv3.14
[edit]that's from the 2005 movie that i keep trying to forget exists, but the name is not mentioned there, or in the current target, or anywhere on wikipedia. retarget there, delete and act like it never existed, or take some other option i failed to consider? i'm leaning towards deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Hellish invasion of Mars
[edit]- Hellish invasion of Mars → Doom 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's a plot point since the first game, but there might also be other instances of the evil world known as h*ck deciding to attack mars that i'm forgetting. opinions on retargeting it to anything besides the series' article? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I don't know how vague it is, but it's not a believable search. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]- Children's games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Children's Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens' games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was originally considering WP:BOLDly retargeting these redirects to disambiguation page Children's toys and games to allow readers to determine which page they were intending to find if they searched these terms (the current target is listed at Children's toys and games), but ... the existence of Children's Games (Bruegel) complicates that due to WP:DIFFCAPS. I'm still believing that these redirects should be retargeted to Children's toys and games, but I'm not sure if Children's Games (Bruegel) should be moved to Children's Games per both WP:DIFFCAPS and since ... retargeting Children's Games to Children's toys and games and then listing Children's Games (Bruegel) in the "See also" section seems to both be odd and have no precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Children's Games (Bruegel) to Children's Games, then retarget all to Children's Games, and then add hatnote to List of children's games. I think the painting here should be the primary topic here as it has this specific name, while "List of children's games" is more general and has a few different aliases that mean the same thing (eg. Playground games, Folk games, etc). BugGhost🦗👻 13:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's okay to handle the upper-case and lower-case versions differently, per WP:DIFFCAPS. Retarget the lower-case versions to Children's toys and games per nom as ambiguous. Disambiguate Children's Games between Children's toys and games, Children's Games (Bruegel), and International Children's Games. Retarget Childrens Games to the new disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 17:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Couch sex
[edit]- Couch sex → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Although one of the references includes "couch sex", it's not discussed in the actual article, and I'm curious if something like this will blow over... Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete under G10. It's not plausible that someone is looking for Vance under the term "Couch sex"; this is purely about disparaging the subject. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a number of similar redirects pointing here: JD Vance's couch, JD Vance couch controversy, JD Vance couch hoax, Did JD Vance have sex with a couch?. —Cryptic 23:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not convinced all of those should exist either, they all have "JD Vance" in the title, which al least brings them into the realm of plausibility. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- G10 definitely doesn't apply to the suggested alternative target Casting couch. I'm not really sure that's a reasonable redirect for Couch sex either, so I tilt towards deletion in either case, but it's only the Vance target that carries serious BLP issues. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 20:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not convinced all of those should exist either, they all have "JD Vance" in the title, which al least brings them into the realm of plausibility. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a number of similar redirects pointing here: JD Vance's couch, JD Vance couch controversy, JD Vance couch hoax, Did JD Vance have sex with a couch?. —Cryptic 23:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe retarget to Casting couch? —Cryptic 23:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's more of a "sex couch" than "couch sex"? Jruderman (talk) 00:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- erm, someone must have removed it. the info I was trying to direct to was just under "public opinion", and I've also been changing similar redirects to wherever has been the current destination since nobody could figure out where it goes in the article. I think it was also discussed in the talk page. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 23:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- nope, the info is there, but yeah. a more helpful redirect would have been "JD Vance couch sex" or something. I can agree with the re-target to the obviously more established "casting couch" 👍 YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 23:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to casting couch. like how team fortress 2 isn't the primary topic for the concept of sandwiches, jd vance isn't the primary topic for the concept of having sex in (or with) a couch. i'd say retarget to castng couch, if only because human mating strategies, human sexual activity, sexual intercourse, and sexual arousal don't necessarily mention couches or sofas a whole lot cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Casting couch - That seems the most plausible and least-likely-to-be-G10'd redirect. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete Even for Vance, we have to maintain some standards of objectivity. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- 2-dab JD Vance couch controversy & Casting couch. — Jruderman (talk) 00:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Screamingly obvious delete as an attack, and no, I don't think casting couch is an acceptable substitute. Someone may be looking for pointers on how do to it without falling off, after all. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Casting couch - title isn't related to JD Vance. Casting couch is the most likely target for a user searching for "Couch sex". The redirects pointed out by Cryptic in an above comment that directly mention JD Vance should be kept unaltered, especially as the hoax is now mentioned in the article - JD Vance#Hillbilly Elegy masturbation hoax BugGhost🦗👻 13:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all the first one is an obvious WP:G10. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Cecile Shapiro
[edit]- Cecile Shapiro → Bart the Genius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Very minor character with only a few lines; similar to the other RFD involving the target page. Xeroctic (talk) 07:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Mentioned at target and seems to be unambiguous. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would List_of_The_Simpsons_cast_members#Main_cast be a better target? --Lenticel (talk) 05:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The character is listed there (as well as a passing mention in the cast of the target page) but because Yeardley Smith voices very few characters, Cecile is probably only listed here as she is one of the only roles by her other than Lisa, and therefore may be too minor to list. Cecile is not listed in the List of recurring characters.
- (Aditionally, this was nominated alongside Ethan Foley, I thought these nominations should be merged into another due to the similar situations, although that was kept as some users only commented on that one) Xeroctic (talk) 13:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Midnight Fantasy
[edit]- Midnight Fantasy → Britney Spears products (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Britney Spears products discusses a "Midnight Fantasy" perfume product released in 2005, while Fantasy (Las Vegas show) says that Midnight Fantasy was the show's name between 1999 and 2005. I think Britney Spears products is the primary topic based on a Google search. Should this be disambiguated? If not disambiguated, should Fantasy (Las Vegas show) be mentioned in a hatnote to Britney Spears products? I bring this to the community to ask for guidance. Thank you. Cunard (talk) 09:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Brühl-Vochem–Cologne-Godorf Harbour railway
[edit]- Brühl-Vochem–Cologne-Godorf Harbour railway → de:Bahnstrecke Brühl-Vochem–Köln-Godorf Hafen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Likely not needed. Its sole use was on Template:West Rhine Railway, which I changed to use {{interlanguage link}} as is used for other entries in the template (although a bot may change it back, since this soft redirect exists). Additionally, {{soft redirect}} is not used in mainspace per WP:SOFTSIS, so the template should be updated if this page is kept. Ost (talk) 06:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete soft redirects to other language projects are almost never useful and this is not an exception. Also per WP:REDLINK. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes#Redirects (soft) to other language versions of Wikipedia. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Monsoon Revolution
[edit]- Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. It needs to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [13] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [14] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Joe Biden
[edit]Not a {{R from move}}, created last month. Questionable utility ... and I thought our previous consensus about similar redirects was to delete them, but looks like WP:RDRAFT has been updated recently? We are now creating redirects from the "Draft:" namespace to the article namespace? Steel1943 (talk) 16:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - We always create and keep redirects from draft space to article space. One reason is so that an editor who has a link to the draft and wants to view or edit it will find the article after the draft is accepted. When a draft is accepted, a redirect to article space is always created, and is exempt from six-month expiration, and so is kept. There are sometimes good-faith requests to delete drafts because there is already an article. They are instead speedily redirected to the article. So, yes, there are redirects from draft space to article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "
We always create and keep redirects from draft space to article space.
" No we don't, which is why I nominated this redirect in the first place since pages in the "Draft:" space created as redirects to the article space have traditionally been deleted at WP:RFD. In addition, none of what you said has anything to do with WP:RDRAFT, considering the redirect was created about a month ago, and has always been a redirect. (The redirect is not a {{R from move}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "
- Delete contra Robert McClenon because this was never a draft. Keeping it would lead to confusion that there has been a draft on the subject, which it seems Robert fell for. -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: For what it's worth, apparently, the section which WP:RDRAFT targets was recently updated in a way (I'm assuming WP:BOLDly) which would have validated a "keep" for this redirect. However, this redirect was created prior to that addition, and ... since I wasn't sure what caused that addition and I do not necessarily agree with it, I reverted the change pending explanation from the editor who wrote/added the wording. (It seemed like a change that was major enough to need consensus for such a change.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I argue that a redirect created in draftspace is not a draft, thus would not validate a keep either way. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair: Seems the addition to WP:RDRAFT may have been intended for drafts converted to redirects, not pages in the "Draft:" namespace initially created as redirects to mainspace. (I suppose I should ping Godsy at this point so they can better understand why I reverted their addition.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All of the following types of redirects from draftspace to mainspace should generally be kept imo:
- From drafts moved to mainspace
- From drafts merged with a mainspace article
- From drafts merged with another draft that was later moved or merged to mainspace
- From drafts that duplicate an existing mainspace article
- From the title of a draft that was moved within draftspace before being merged or moved to mainspace
- From titles that were never drafts but at which a draft that duplicates an existing mainspace article might reasonably be created.
- I see this as a completely harmless redirect that is an example of my final bullet. I don't know why someone would expect we don't already have an article on Joe Biden but given this redirect has been created and we definitely don't need a draft at this title, deletion seems both pointy and pointless. Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All of the following types of redirects from draftspace to mainspace should generally be kept imo:
- That's fair: Seems the addition to WP:RDRAFT may have been intended for drafts converted to redirects, not pages in the "Draft:" namespace initially created as redirects to mainspace. (I suppose I should ping Godsy at this point so they can better understand why I reverted their addition.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I argue that a redirect created in draftspace is not a draft, thus would not validate a keep either way. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: For what it's worth, apparently, the section which WP:RDRAFT targets was recently updated in a way (I'm assuming WP:BOLDly) which would have validated a "keep" for this redirect. However, this redirect was created prior to that addition, and ... since I wasn't sure what caused that addition and I do not necessarily agree with it, I reverted the change pending explanation from the editor who wrote/added the wording. (It seemed like a change that was major enough to need consensus for such a change.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: not sure what the point in deleting this is. If someone tries to create a draft on Joe Biden, however unlikely, they will be redirected to the existing article. Yes, there doesn't need to be a redirect from every draft to the corresponding mainspace article, but there's no reason to delete this one now that is has been created. C F A 💬 20:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
F. Fitzgerald
[edit]- F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius(talk) 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius(talk) 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius(talk) 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Red Caesar
[edit]- Red Caesar → Dictatorship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Caesar is mentioned in the target article, but not Red Caesar. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The creation summary cites this Philadelphia Enquirer article which makes the connection to dictatorship explicit, but it's too general a target to be useful. The only mention of the term on Wikipedia is at Talk:Claremont Institute#Promotion of "Red Caesar" ideology where, citing an article in The Guardian dated four days prior to the Philadelphia Inquirer one (1 and 5 October 2023 respectively), an IP editor asked "Should we add the fact that the Claremont Institute has been promoting a "Red Caesar" ideology (i.e., a ruler who would nullify the U.S.'s traditional democratic norms)?" but got no reply. Both articles cite the Claremont Institute as the origin of the term and ideal. Given the number of search results the term gets we should probably have some content about it, but unless and until we do the redirect is not helpful so delete until some content is written. Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - @Thryduulf: Content already present at Caesarism#21st century (including a namedrop of the aforementioned institute) could probably be easily expanded to include this term. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd support a retarget there if it is expanded to include a mention but not otherwise. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I see no use in keeping this here any longer. Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Caesarism#21st century, where it is mentioned. I'd support retargeting to Claremont Institute if/when it's mentioned there. Courtesy pings: @Thryduulf and Godsy. czar 19:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Assassination of Donald Trump
[edit]- Assassination of Donald Trump → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This has twice been deleted as an attack page, once by Liz and once by Isabelle Belato. While it does impute a motive to the gunman, it also strikes me as a plausible redirect. Hence my taking it here for further discussion as to a correct outcome. If deletion is decided to be appropriate I would suggest the page be salted. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Plausible search term redirect. C F A 💬 19:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a blatant WP:G10 violation. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? C F A 💬 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It meets this criterion as it is inherently negative and misleading. Redirects implying the death or assassination of a living person can have serious reputational impacts. In the case of a high-profile individual like Donald Trump, such implications can be considered defamatory and harmful. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? C F A 💬 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a blatant WP:G10 violation. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and WP:SALT per WP:G10. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence it disparages the target, Donald Trump. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if the redirect does not disparage character, its misleading nature and potential to cause harm align with the reasons for which similar pages have been deleted. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence it disparages the target, Donald Trump. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Neveselbert who is the living person being attacked? Can you explain a bit further how they're being attacked? I'm entirely willing to admit I might be missing something (and indeed did a sanity check before declining and bringing it here given that two admins I respect had already deleted it as G10). Barkeep49 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am also someone who regularly patrols and deletes G10s and so knowing what the community consensus was felt like an appropriate step to take. For me, it seems like WP:RNEUTRAL would allow this title to me if it wasn't a BLP violation. So far it's not clear how Trump is harmed by someone saying he was assassination any more than Obama is harmed by the listed example around his being a Muslim in our redirect guideline. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if not a direct attack, implying false events about living persons can contribute to defamation and misinformation. The potential harm is in the misinformation and the sensational nature of the title. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- You lost me. What misinformation? and what sensational title? The way the redirect works is that the article Attempted assassination of Donald Trump would pop up. Is there any misinformation in that article? Is the title of that article sensational? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It suggests that an assassination occurred, which is not true, creating an initial impression that can confuse readers before they even reach the accurate target article. This misinformation arises from the misleading nature of the redirect itself, causing unnecessary alarm. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a big exaggeration. It is not going to confuse or alarm anyone. If they visit the redirect, they will be sent to the appropriate page which clarifies what actually happened. C F A 💬 23:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- People might see the redirect title in search results or links without visiting the page, leading to the spread of the misinformation that his assassination took place. The mere existence of such a redirect title can propagate false information. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a big exaggeration. It is not going to confuse or alarm anyone. If they visit the redirect, they will be sent to the appropriate page which clarifies what actually happened. C F A 💬 23:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It suggests that an assassination occurred, which is not true, creating an initial impression that can confuse readers before they even reach the accurate target article. This misinformation arises from the misleading nature of the redirect itself, causing unnecessary alarm. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- You lost me. What misinformation? and what sensational title? The way the redirect works is that the article Attempted assassination of Donald Trump would pop up. Is there any misinformation in that article? Is the title of that article sensational? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if not a direct attack, implying false events about living persons can contribute to defamation and misinformation. The potential harm is in the misinformation and the sensational nature of the title. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am also someone who regularly patrols and deletes G10s and so knowing what the community consensus was felt like an appropriate step to take. For me, it seems like WP:RNEUTRAL would allow this title to me if it wasn't a BLP violation. So far it's not clear how Trump is harmed by someone saying he was assassination any more than Obama is harmed by the listed example around his being a Muslim in our redirect guideline. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how this title is a G10 any more than its target's is. —Cryptic 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- He was not assassinated. It's no different to having a Death of Donald Trump redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. C F A 💬 19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The search function can achieve that without the use of a fictional redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. C F A 💬 19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- He was not assassinated. It's no different to having a Death of Donald Trump redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's a shortened version of the the target page. The fact that the attemptted assassination was not successful does not make it an invalid redirect. I think it's in compliance with WP:SHORT.
The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC) - I would say Delete as "Assassination of Donald Trump" would imply an actual assassination; But I could also got for Keep with caveat to mark the redirect with {{R from non-neutral name}} →AzaToth 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not non-neutral, it's just wrong. —Alalch E. 21:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A clear and obvious term under which someone might search for this event. — Amakuru (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think it falls under G10 (Assassinate Donald Trump would be a blatant G10 violation, not sure about this title), but it is very misleading and inaccurate, does not seem to fall under WP:RPURPOSE, and does appear to fail WP:R#DELETE #2... as Neveselbert already said, it is as plausible of a search term for the event in question as Killing of Donald Trump or Death of Donald Trump... he was not assassinated, no one that has heard anything about the event is going to think he was assassinated, thus no one is likely to be searching for the Assassination of Donald Trump... and I think I also agree with it being SALTed, until (if) it is ever a true statement, at which point we would obviously need to create a new article using this title... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Not an attack page. Valid member of Category:Redirects from incorrect names. Falls under WP:PURPOSE: Serve content to readers matching their query. We know what topic they want to read an article on, so we serve them that article. That is the purpose. They misidenfied the nature of the thing or used imprecise words to refer to the thing—they land at the correctly titled article about the thing where they can get knowledge. What else is the purpose?—Alalch E. 21:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- About WP:R#D2: That's for redirects that can cause confusion in the scenario that the wrong idea about what something is persists or is reinforced after reading the title of the page you land on and its first sentence as well, at least. Here, there is no such confusion, because if someone thinks that Trump was killed (esoteric scenario) they will be told in the first sentence that he survived, and "Attempted assassination" is clear enough in itself. If someone was to use imprecise words, failing to distinguish between an assassination and an attempted assassination, while knowing that Trump was not killed in the event (the actual, real, scenario), there would be no confusion to begin with. So that reason to delete a redirect does not apply. It's for more ambiguous cases where the redirect title denotes an incorrect idea that can plausibly get reinforced after arriving at the page, because the start of the page does not directly contradict and dispel the idea. —Alalch E. 22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, very plausible search term, not at all an attack page unless I'm missing some article history in the deleted versions. I don't think people will always slide in "attempted" when searching for events. We have the 2024 Bolivian coup redirect as a recent example. CMD (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. To get things out of the way, it did not meet G10 as it does not disparage Donald Trump, nor is it defamatory, so I don't understand how it was deleted twice by different administrators as that. Also, to imply that this title is somehow equivalent to "Attempted of Donald Trump" is highly inappropriate – that title would not make grammatical sense and would not be a plausible search term. (As a full disclosure, I found out about the G10s from an off-wiki discussion; I was not asked to vote one way or the other and I wasn't selectively notified). Sdrqaz (talk) 03:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, obviously plausible abbreviation of a search term. Same with Trump assassination. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 09:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting the Reagan assassination RfD result: "Keep". Hyphenation Expert (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly a plausible search term and not even close to being a G10 candidate and I'm shocked that two experienced administrators would think otherwise. In addition to the points made above it's plausible for a non-native speaker not to realise that "assassination" refers specifically to an event that resulted in the targetted person's death rather than an attempt whether successful or otherwise. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep agree with Thryduulf its not a G10 and that people might not now that the intended victim survived so while its arguably inaccurate its not completely as it was still an attempt. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. 1) It's ghoulish and harassing. 2) Trump and the unsuccessful assassination attempt are too well-known for this to be a plausible search term. 3) It's also superfluous. If someone does search for it, they'll get this result on WP and on Google Attempted assassination of Donald Trump as the top search result. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 17:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:REDIRECT: "
Redirects aid navigation and searching by allowing a page to be reached under alternative titles.
" The redirect would therefore eliminate this unneeded search result. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC) - And who exactly does this redirect harass? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Trump, being declared dead. He's sued for less, not that I expect him to be reading WP redirects or WP. Alternative titles would be "feline" and "cat" but only Schrodinger's cat can be both alive and dead. "Assassination" is not another term for "attempted assassination", it's another term for killing or murder. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 20:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have to admit, your response made me laugh. I can't imagine the indivuduals listed in the article List of prematurely reported obituaries having felt harassed for making the list. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the people on the list are dead now, so they're past feeling anything, and I wouldn't worry about complaints from people who faked their own deaths, such as the fugitive sex offender under 'A'. Maybe I should switch my comment to "keep" since Trump's description of the aftermath has a distinct biblical Easter vibe (
When I rose surrounded by Secret Service, the crowd was confused because they thought I was dead. And there was great, great sorrow
) — nah. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 12:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the people on the list are dead now, so they're past feeling anything, and I wouldn't worry about complaints from people who faked their own deaths, such as the fugitive sex offender under 'A'. Maybe I should switch my comment to "keep" since Trump's description of the aftermath has a distinct biblical Easter vibe (
- I have to admit, your response made me laugh. I can't imagine the indivuduals listed in the article List of prematurely reported obituaries having felt harassed for making the list. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Trump, being declared dead. He's sued for less, not that I expect him to be reading WP redirects or WP. Alternative titles would be "feline" and "cat" but only Schrodinger's cat can be both alive and dead. "Assassination" is not another term for "attempted assassination", it's another term for killing or murder. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 20:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:REDIRECT: "
- Keep, this search term is actually more likely than with "attempted" in front --FMSky (talk) 21:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term. I don't see this as eligible for G10 and I don't agree that the existence of the redirect means, in any way, that Wikipedia is saying the assassination was successful. For those who think there was an "assassination of Donald Trump," the redirect to the article about the attempted assassination will educate them. Misleading and inaccurate redirect titles that redirect the reader to accurate articles are helpful. It's just like "Trump assassination" or other variations. Levivich (talk) 03:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looks as though we have another candidate for deletion. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 12:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- If you think it should be deleted then nominate it, but I will recommend keeping that for exactly the same reasons as I am recommending keeping this one - it's useful and not at harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looks as though we have another candidate for deletion. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 12:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I deliberately searched this, expecting a redirect, because I didn't want to bother adding "attempted". A redirect can be inaccurate (e.g. any {{r from misspelling}} and still be a useful search term Mach61 15:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for the reasoning from @CFA, @Amakuru, @Thryduulf, @Hyphenation Expert, and probably many others. Coulomb1 (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is indeed an incorrect title. But {{r from incorrect name}} does exist, and it exists precisely for the sorts of situations where a reasonable search term is factually incorrect. I have myself searched this in the searchbar, expecting it to come to the page on the attempted assassination, and was brought here as a result; the redirect is clearly useful. I also do not see how this is an attack page. I simply do not think it can reasonably read to
disparage, threaten, intimidate, or harass
any particular person—the application of the {{r from incorrect name}} tag makes this all quite clear—and the usefulness for search renders the idea that the redirectserve no other purpose
than disparagement, threat, intimidation, or harassment to be untenable. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 01:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC) - Delete and salt per Adolphus, unless we have precedent for creating similar redirects for failed assassination attempts. Jay 💬 18:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reagan assassination→Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan (RFD) was mentioned above. There's also Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt→Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt, Assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi→Attempted assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi, Assassination of Brett Kavanaugh→Brett Kavanaugh assassination plot, and Assassination of hitler→Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler. —Cryptic 18:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these. They are not precedents, they bad redirects and may be deleted as well. Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt was created last year, and the poorly capitalized Assassination of hitler was created some months back by a user now blocked. Jay 💬 05:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, you asked for "precedents", not "precedents that were created by users with high edit counts, existed for multiple years, and/or were explicitly nominated at RfD and survived". jp×g🗯️ 00:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these. They are not precedents, they bad redirects and may be deleted as well. Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt was created last year, and the poorly capitalized Assassination of hitler was created some months back by a user now blocked. Jay 💬 05:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reagan assassination→Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan (RFD) was mentioned above. There's also Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt→Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt, Assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi→Attempted assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi, Assassination of Brett Kavanaugh→Brett Kavanaugh assassination plot, and Assassination of hitler→Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler. —Cryptic 18:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)- Keep. I am really sick of this routine where people will loudly assert something is a BLP violation, and then refuse to explain how or why -- as though the words don't actually mean anything, and "byelpee" is just some sort of magical incantation that you chant in order to win arguments. Well, okay: Byelpee kadabra alakazam!! Do I win?
- It is not defamation to correct a misspelled or misinformed search term. For example, there is a part of a sword called the fuller, which is often incorrectly called a "blood groove". It must be stressed that this is a complete load of crap: they aren't blood grooves. The idea that swords are/were made with grooves so that blood would run down them is an urban legend with no basis in fact. But nonetheless, blood groove redirects to fuller (groove).
- If the redirect were named something like Attempted assassination of stupid asshole who sucks → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump or Fuckface von Clownstick → Donald Trump (indeed, that second one was a redirect once, deleted as G3) it'd be one thing, and I would agree with deleting it, but it's... like, how in the world would it be defamation to EXPLICITLY CORRECT THE MISCONCEPTION THAT someone is dead, by redirecting it to an article clearly saying they are alive? jp×g🗯️ 00:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- By this logic, Obama bin Laden should be restored. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not really - Obama bin Laden would be a bad redirect for dozens of reasons, chiefly because it is ambiguous as to where it is intended to go, it's not something users are searching for, and unlike "Assassination of Donald Trump", it isn't just one word short for a correctly titled article. This comparison makes zero sense BugGhost🦗👻 20:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deleting Obama bin Laden set a precedent. Keeping Assassination of Donald Trump would be inconsistent with this precedent. If we argue that Obama bin Laden should be deleted to prevent ambiguity and harm, we must apply the same logic to Assassination of Donald Trump. Otherwise, we risk a double standard. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't look like you are even attempting to address any of the points brought by Bugghost as to why the "precedent" of Obama bin Laden is not applicable to this case. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deleting Obama bin Laden set a precedent. Keeping Assassination of Donald Trump would be inconsistent with this precedent. If we argue that Obama bin Laden should be deleted to prevent ambiguity and harm, we must apply the same logic to Assassination of Donald Trump. Otherwise, we risk a double standard. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not really - Obama bin Laden would be a bad redirect for dozens of reasons, chiefly because it is ambiguous as to where it is intended to go, it's not something users are searching for, and unlike "Assassination of Donald Trump", it isn't just one word short for a correctly titled article. This comparison makes zero sense BugGhost🦗👻 20:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- By this logic, Obama bin Laden should be restored. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per a lot of people, but particularly JPxG. Redirects are not articles, they aren't claims of truth, they are just technical funnels for users to find an article when they type stuff into the search bar. Users type in "Assassination of Donald Trump" into the search bar pretty regularly, according to the stats. We don't have an article on the assassination of Donald Trump, because he was not actually assassinated, but we do have an extremely relevant article on the topic - Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Obviously the redirect should stay, because it is helping people search for the article. Anyone talking about BLP or it being harassment or whatever is not grasping the purpose of a redirect - there is no claim that Trump died, this redirect does literally the opposite. BugGhost🦗👻 15:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon incident
[edit]- Pokémon incident → Dennō Senshi Porygon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
extremely vague. requires that "pokémon" and "incident" be defined in a way that somehow narrows it down to only this particular episode of the anime generation that also featured jynx and hypno, while excluding every other controversy the franchise has seen cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- should mention that i would favor retargeting it to an article or section of an article detailing most controversies, no such thing exists (yet). the closest i found was pokémon episodes removed from rotation, but even then, that's only for the anime cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as far too vague. When seeing the title I assumed it was some sort of (political) scandal or other real-world incident related to Pokémon in some way. A politician making a gaffe and exposing their ignorance while trying to appear to be a "man of the people" or something like that would have been my first guess. Thryduulf (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- isn't that the plot of swsh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have a clue! I've never watched, read or played Pokémon. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- isn't that the plot of swsh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - contrary to the above (and a whiny fan base) this is by far the most consequential incident related to the series. This actually ahead real world implications, that reliable sources wrote articles about. Sergecross73 msg me 23:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as WP:PTOPIC. This incident was/is overwhelmingly more impactful than any other. Fieari (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete - It certainly was a "pokémon incident", probably the biggest one, but it doesn't really go by the name "pokémon incident". Googling "pokémon incident" does lead to lots of reference to this event, but also to other unrelated events. It could also reasonably relate to Pokémon Go to the polls, which is pretty much exactly the hypothetical poltician gaffe scenario that @Thryduulf: dreamt up (see this and this for more details). BugGhost🦗👻 12:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a disambiguation between:
- But I'm not sure if there's enough traffic to Pokémon incident to warrant this disambiguation. BugGhost🦗👻 12:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- at this point, i'm gonna change my vote to a strong listify (preferrably with a different name), since there's also the 80 quadrillion times the franchise was accused of being satanic, and the 0 times it was accused of being satanic because of giratina cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- To add, people might be looking for the Lavender Town Syndrome creepypasta. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete per the ambiguity of this redirect caused by the existence of a list of incidents at Pokémon Go#Criticism and incidents. Not saying the current target is not notable, but it's not the only notable "incident" related to Pokémon. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete refers to several topics, not closely associated with any of them to support a redirect or disambiguation. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too vague. – sgeureka t•c 10:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Photosite
[edit]mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
OpticFilm 7200i
[edit]No mention of this model at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a {{R from EXIF}} redirect (I've just tagged it as such) and the target page does mention OpticFilm. While the specific model is not mentioned the target article is not a surprise and does give people enough information in context to learn it is a scanner and enough information to usefully continue research elsewhere if they wish. Thryduulf (talk) 10:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Orsini Polypytch
[edit]- Orsini Polypytch → Orsini Polyptych (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Typo. Ham II (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this seems quite plausible to me. Especially as I had to look at the two words character by character to even spot the difference (the third and fourth last letters of the final word are transposed). Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's certainly a plausible mistake, because I made that mistake – the redirect exists because I initially moved the page there in error. As the error doesn't come in until the 13th character, by which time a search bar (etc.) will already have suggested the correct title, why is it a good idea to keep the redirect? If someone makes the same typo when editing, wouldn't it be better for
[[Orsini Polypytch]]
to be a red link, which is more easily spotted and corrected, than a blue link? Ham II (talk) 11:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's certainly a plausible mistake, because I made that mistake – the redirect exists because I initially moved the page there in error. As the error doesn't come in until the 13th character, by which time a search bar (etc.) will already have suggested the correct title, why is it a good idea to keep the redirect? If someone makes the same typo when editing, wouldn't it be better for
- Note that Polypytch does not exist (so entering it in the search box right now returns this redirect instead of attempting a typo correction and listing the Polyptych article). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Хвощ
[edit]No apparent affinity to Russian. 1234qwer1234qwer4 09:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 03:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not in common use among English speakers. Pagliaccious (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Estro
[edit]I'm not convinced a type face is what people really mean when they type this in. Wiktionary says that estro is a clipping of estrogen, and a cursory google search turns up results mostly about a radiation therapy organization and some about estrogen. Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or disambiguate? There is also a Saeco (cycling team) which apparently went under the name of "Saeco-Estro" in the past. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards just retargeting to estrogen with an "estro redirects here, for other uses see..." at the top of the estrogen page. I'm not sure if that cycling team was ever called just estro. Based5290 :3 (talk) 05:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Paris Olympics
[edit]- Paris Olympics → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paris Olympic Games → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Olympics are over now. Disambiguate. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. Los Angeles Olympics would be the same after the 2028 Games conclude. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nom. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games. -- Tavix (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix (though that article's lead is somewhat poorly written). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation per nom. Merge Paris hosting the Olympic Games into its respective articles; there is nothing in common between 1900 & 1924 and 2024 except the city. It doesn't warrant an article. IntGrah (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support this – IntGrah (talk) 14:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation of Paris Olympics per the nomination and prior discussion. There is strong precedent with Los Angeles Olympics, Salt Lake City Olympics, Lake Placid Olympics, Beijing Olympics, Innsbruck Olympics, Tokyo Olympics, etc. However, the ambiguous term Paris Olympic Games should not redirect to the 2024 instance, but rather to the Paris Olympics disambiguation, effectively restoring the prior redirect there. (A bot recently "fixed" the double-redirect there that would not have existed in the first place if Paris Olympics had been a proper WP:DAB from the start, in line with precedent.) --Tim Parenti (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation page - Since Paris has hosted three Olympiads, it should be a dab between the three. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate by restoring this version and moving it back to Paris Olympics, as suggested by Tavix. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding this old version. I hadn't realized that Paris Olympics had been a proper disambiguation page at some point in the past, so your proposal is now my preferred mechanism for its restoration. --Tim Parenti (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
List of countries by Military Strength Index
[edit]- List of countries by Military Strength Index → Military#Capability development (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a {{R from merge}}, but no such list exists at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was deleted in 2020 as fallout from Talk:Military/Archive 1#About Updating the military power comparison list Capability development section * Pppery * it has begun... 21:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Ibrahim Mohamed
[edit]![Keep](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg.png)
Debayer
[edit]- Debayer → Bayer filter#Demosaicing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Debayering → Demosaicing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should point at the same target. (Once that is decided upon, there should be a de-Bayering redirect with the same target.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 09:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bayer filter#Demosaicing is a section that links to Demosaicing, so we should change Debayer to point there —danhash (talk) 12:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
2028 United States presidential election
[edit]- 2028 United States presidential election → United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
My request to add the {{R with possibilities}} template to this redirect was rejected because If there were possibilities at this point then it wouldn't be salted
.
Anyway, this title shouldn't even exist as a redirect, because it is still WP:TOOSOON and there is only a trivial mention in the "Comparison with other U.S. general elections" section. So, delete the redirect and salt it until November 5, 2024, when Draft:2028 United States presidential election could then be moved to mainspace. GTrang (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Are you planning to also nominate 2028_United_States_elections (created in 2022) and 2028 United States Senate elections (also created in 2022)? jp×g🗯️ 04:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. WP:crystal specifically mentions the 2028 election and the 2032 Olympics not applying to crystal ball, which is the basis for WP:TOOSOON. In any case, neither policy mentions redirects, which is also why redirects of future years redirect to the relevant decade, even though we won’t be in that year for a while. That election is coming in 4 years, which means that it is a very plausible search term, and the fact that it is still included in the article gives it greater reason for there to be a redirect that exists. MrMeAndMrMeTalk 06:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per MrMe. {{The Sharpest Lives|💬|✏️|ℹ️}} 15:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. I'll be surprised if it gets to 2025 before we start getting detailed content about the 2028 election. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Anti universe
[edit]- Anti universe → Antimatter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Antiverse redirects to multiverse. Anti universe sometimes also refers to an antigravity universe, not just antimatter universe. Web-julio (talk) 02:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- If there is multiple places where this redirect could go, the best option would probably be to turn it into a disambiguation. MrMeAndMrMeTalk 06:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anti universe redirects to Antimatter while Antiverse redirects to multiverse. Redirecting to a disambiguation page as suggested is a solution. 5Q5|✉ 11:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- How much content is there on this Wikipedia describing this topic that we could refer to from that disambiguation page? There is also the option of a Wiktionary redirect to wikt:antiuniverse (which could probably be expanded). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Anti-universalist redirects to Universalism. Steel1943 (talk) 03:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Kanji draftspace XNRs
[edit]- Draft:繰 → Template:Adachi clan heads (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:債 → Mizuwakasu Shrine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:惨 → Xuastvanift (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:峡 → Jūzenji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Draftspace to mainspace/template space XNRs from completely irrelevant kanji titles. The reason these exist is because the targets were originally about the kanji and then were moved to the current location and had their topics changed. For example, this is what the first revision of Mizuwakasu Shrine looks like (don't get confused by the use of {{PAGENAME}}, the first sentence originally started with "債"). Delete all per WP:R#D2 and WP:R#D8. These would be eligible for R3 if they were recent. Nickps (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Manalo Cult
[edit]- Manalo Cult → Iglesia ni Cristo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I cannot find reliable sources calling this church a cult. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There are lots of sources that do describe the target as a cult so this is a likely search term. We need reliable sources to call them a cult in Wikipedia's voice, we just need sources for a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Explicit (talk • contribs) 23:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 00:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- Keep. POV titles are allowed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment I'll send a ping to WP:PINOY as this is a rather complex topic. --Lenticel (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Soft DeleteKeep, see below - There are no online news articles so far that directly refer to the group as the Manalo Cult. They have been described as a cult in some online news articles; many so far having the mention of Manalo Cult from the search results are opinion pieces/editorials from Reddit and Facebook.[1][2] With this, I find that the redirect "Manalo Cult" is invalid with the lack of enough notable direct citation or reference for it to stand on its own. In comparison, there is the redirect "Iglesia ni Manalo" which can be cited to a news article.[3]Markoolio97 (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- That comment is difficult to parse but "opinion pieces/editorials from Reddit and Facebook." indicate that this is a term that is in use and which people unfamiliar with it will plausibly search for on Wikipedia - i.e. it's a reason to keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Got this, will move for a keep in this case.Markoolio97 (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- That comment is difficult to parse but "opinion pieces/editorials from Reddit and Facebook." indicate that this is a term that is in use and which people unfamiliar with it will plausibly search for on Wikipedia - i.e. it's a reason to keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.christianpost.com/news/church-group-accused-cult-buys-connecticut-ghost-town-1-85-million.html
- ^ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/wbna44830900
- ^ PEP.ph Nora Aunor apologizes to INCÂ for "Iglesia Ni Manalo" remark Jan 10, 2017
SSFII
[edit]super smash flash 2 is a game that also exists and has ssf2 as a redirect to it. leave as is (give or take a hatnote) since super Streets™ 2 is "a little more popular" than super smash flash 2, dabify, or retarget this to super smash flash 2 since it seems the acronym is more commonly used to refer to it? i'm kind of leaning towards the first option because of the roman numeral, but eh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Explicit (talk • contribs) 23:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 00:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but add a hatnote. मल्ल (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Turbo Edition
[edit]- Turbo Edition → Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
was going to retarget to sf2 turbo, but then i remembered... other things have turbo editions as well. some motorola phones, racing game remasters, cars, etc. now i'm torn between deleting and dabifying cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Explicit (talk • contribs) 23:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 00:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- ...what? is this a malformed relist with two people behind it? how does it even- cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Explicit attempted to relist but the script malfunctioned and didn't post the relist notice properly. I corrected the malfunction, which posted my signature automatically, and decided that was a reasonable representation of what happened so didn't correct it. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- oh, that makes sense
- thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:12, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Explicit attempted to relist but the script malfunctioned and didn't post the relist notice properly. I corrected the malfunction, which posted my signature automatically, and decided that was a reasonable representation of what happened so didn't correct it. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? is this a malformed relist with two people behind it? how does it even- cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as far too vague. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: too vague to be helpful, doesn't seem to be a clear primary topic. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Praamzius
[edit]I kind of doubt that the minor planet is more relevant than the deity here, so this should probably point at the same target as the redirect just below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. I originally created the redirect assuming no such article for the deity existed, I endorse changing it with this in mind. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 23:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Praamžius
[edit]- Praamžius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures#List of gods (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dievas would probably be more specific of a target. A Praamžis redirect should exist (be created later) with the same target as this one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Karorius
[edit]- Karorius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Bute (mythology)
[edit]- Bute (mythology) → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Correctly diacriticised Butė does not exist, and only mention of that spelling on the English Wikipedia is an unrelated surname at the 2019 Lithuanian presidential election article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Diedievaite
[edit]- Diedievaite → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Correctly diacriticised Diedievaitė does not exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Aušlavis
[edit]- Aušlavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auslavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned in any article on the English Wikipedia, though this is linked from the {{Baltic religion}} navigational template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Aušautas
[edit]- Aušautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ausautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario party switch
[edit]- Mario party switch → Super Mario Party (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not the only Mario Party game for the Nintendo Switch. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term. Feel free to retarget somewhere in the series article Mario Party if you feel compelled. Sergecross73 msg me 22:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab page. While I don't like it, I think a dab page at the target would be the best solution. There is no one target in Mario Party where a link can go to, as that article is not sorted by console. The nom is right though, that having this link to one specific game is not ideal. Gonnym (talk) 11:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario Party (Nintendo 3DS)
[edit]- Mario Party (Nintendo 3DS) → Mario Party: Island Tour (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mario Party: Island Tour is not the only Mario Party game for the 3DS. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term. Feel free to retarget somewhere in the series article Mario Party if you feel compelled. Sergecross73 msg me 02:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab page. While I don't like it, I think a dab page at the target would be the best solution. There is no one target in Mario Party where a link can go to, as that article is not sorted by console. The nom is right though, that having this link to one specific game is not ideal. Gonnym (talk) 11:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario Party 3DS
[edit]- Mario Party 3DS → Mario Party: Island Tour (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mario Party: Island Tour is not the only Mario Party game for the 3DS. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term. Feel free to retarget somewhere in the series article Mario Party if you feel compelled. Sergecross73 msg me 20:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect does not help readers looking for any other Mario Party game released on the Nintendo 3DS. Three Mario Party games were released on the Nintendo 64, and Mario Party 64 is a disambiguation page. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's helpful if the reader is looking for Mario Party games on the 3DS. Like I said, retarget if you think it helps, but don't delete. Sergecross73 msg me 22:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just want to point out that I think it should fit the logic of the Mario Party 64 page, i.e. a page letting one choose between any of the 3DS Mario Party games. ButterCashier (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that too. Sergecross73 msg me 14:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just want to point out that I think it should fit the logic of the Mario Party 64 page, i.e. a page letting one choose between any of the 3DS Mario Party games. ButterCashier (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's helpful if the reader is looking for Mario Party games on the 3DS. Like I said, retarget if you think it helps, but don't delete. Sergecross73 msg me 22:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect does not help readers looking for any other Mario Party game released on the Nintendo 3DS. Three Mario Party games were released on the Nintendo 64, and Mario Party 64 is a disambiguation page. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab page. While I don't like it, I think a dab page at the target would be the best solution. There is no one target in Mario Party where a link can go to, as that article is not sorted by console. The nom is right though, that having this link to one specific game is not ideal. Gonnym (talk) 11:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario party revolution
[edit]- Mario party revolution → Mario Party 8 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not able to locate any references that refer to Mario Party 8 as "Mario Party Revolution" or any variation of that phrase. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator's information Red Director (talk) 21:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - The Wii was codenamed "Revolution" prior to its final release, and this game was announced early on, so conceptually, it makes sense, though I'm unsure this term was ever actually used... Sergecross73 msg me 22:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario Party Wii
[edit]- Mario Party Wii → Mario Party 8 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mario Party 8 is not actually known as "Mario Party Wii." Mario Party 9 was also released for the Wii. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab page. While I don't like it, I think a dab page at the target would be the best solution. There is no one target in Mario Party where a link can go to, as that article is not sorted by console. The nom is right though, that having this link to one specific game is not ideal. Gonnym (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Mario Bandstand
[edit]- Mario Bandstand → Mario Party (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Minigame not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - unlikely search term, unlikely to be mentioned in article. Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Boo's Haunted Bash
[edit]- Boo's Haunted Bash → Mario Party 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Unio personalis
[edit]- Unio personalis → Prosopon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal Union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalis → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The specific terms don't seem to be explicitly mentioned in any article, so it is a bit unclear where these should point. The first redirect was created in 2007, targeting Hypostatic union; this was later changed to Person of Christ (now merged into Christology) along with the creation of the other redirects. Only the first one was rather recently changed to target Prosopon. Apart from these, the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Unipersonalist (and the Nontrinitarianism article which was the target decided on in that RfD) seem pertinent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Christologistical
[edit]- Christologistical → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Neelix creation; not a meaningful word and does not seem to have ever been used (the two hits on Google pertain to this redirect's existence). 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with prejudice - "Neelix creation" was all you needed to say. The X1 speedy criterion missed this one. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 07:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- As someone who dealt with the Neelix cleanup, it's not accurate to say that the X1 criterion missed this one. All Neelix redirects were generated into lists at User:Anomie/Neelix list and were removed after being checked by an editor or deleted. This redirect was removed by Tazerdadog with this edit. -- Tavix (talk) 14:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- No objection to deletion - The scale of the Neelix redirects meant that I could only realistically spend a handful seconds on each one on average, and I was judging on a criterion of "Do I think this makes it through a full RFD, or gets deleted early under the snowball clause". Based on the title and target it looked plausible, but I trust the nom's search that this isn't a real term, so delete it. Tazerdadog (talk) 02:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- As someone who dealt with the Neelix cleanup, it's not accurate to say that the X1 criterion missed this one. All Neelix redirects were generated into lists at User:Anomie/Neelix list and were removed after being checked by an editor or deleted. This redirect was removed by Tazerdadog with this edit. -- Tavix (talk) 14:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete as Neelix cleanup --Lenticel (talk) 01:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. More Neelix nonsense. Softlavender (talk) 01:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Brahmanical Hinduism
[edit]- Brahmanical Hinduism → Historical Vedic religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Turn into a disamb-page; "Brahmanical Hinduism" has multiple meanings; see here my version of "Brahmanical Hinduism" as a disamb-page, including references. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Historical Vedic religion#Brahmanism to make the redirect more precise. The other implications of the term are less frequently used ones. Brahmanical Hinduism is commonly used to refer to the phase of the religion during the late Vedic period (Brahminism). Or alternatively, Keep without changing. PadFoot (talk) 14:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not; see the sources here. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've looked at the sources your provided, but the primary topic seems to me to be the same as I mentioned above. It also appears that scholars consider the term synonymous to Brahminism which is a redirect to Historical Vedic religion. PadFoot (talk) 09:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not; see the sources here. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems, that is, ambigious. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eamon Murphy (2023), Hindu Nationalism and Terrorism in India: The Saffron Threat to Democracy, Taylor & Francis:
One of the key distinctions made within Hinduism is between what is known as Brahmanical Hinduism, the religion of the elie as interpreted by Brahmins and communicated through classical Sanskrit language, and folk Hinduism, which is the form practiced by the majority and has it's own gods and goddesses, priests and rituals. Brahmanical Hinduism is the version best known in the west and the one propagated by Hindu nationalists [...] The Hindu nationalist version of Hinduism attempts to present an idealised, simplified and sanitised version of Brahmanical Hinduism.
- This is not about ancient or historical Brahminism, this is about present-day Hinduism, just as Michaels (2004) p.22 has argued; see here.
- This quote also applies to you: presenting the ancient Vedic religion as an ancient form of Hinduism, whereas scholars argue that "Hinduism," as a synthesis of Brahmanical Sanskrit culture and local folk religions, came into existence around the beginning of the Common Era. See also Ram Puniyani (2012), Hindutva Politics - Impact on Human Rights, p.150. In: Human Rights and the Third World: Issues and Discourses, edited by Subrata Sankar Bagchi, Arnab Das, Lexington Books: "... the construction of Brahmanism as Hinduism."
- Pradyot Kumar Maity (1989), Human Fertility Cults and Rituals of Bengal: A Comparative Study, Abhinav publications, p.2:
Thus Hinduism may be studied under two heads: (i) Brahmanical Hinduism i.e. upper class religion and (ii) folk-religion i.e. religion of the vast majority of the population.
- This too is not about historical or ancient Brahmanism, but about present-day Hinduism. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 12:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshua Jonathan @PadFoot2008 Sorry, lot of changes / reverts have happened around this topic on different pages and trying to understand all the changes and saw this. Just to confirm - does Michaels (2004) p. 21-22 end up identifying his conception of "Brahmanic-Sanskritic Hinduism" with Brahmanism/Brahmanical Hinduism or does he differentiate the two? Seems he uses Brahmanism in other places in the text (for example, p. 46), without reference to Brahmanic-Sanskritic Hinduism and so perhaps in a different sense? Asteramellus (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, he differentiates the two. Samuel also uses the term for an early form of "Hinduism," noticeable in the Gupta-era, a form which he still doesn't want to fully call "Hinduism." Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshua Jonathan @PadFoot2008 Sorry, lot of changes / reverts have happened around this topic on different pages and trying to understand all the changes and saw this. Just to confirm - does Michaels (2004) p. 21-22 end up identifying his conception of "Brahmanic-Sanskritic Hinduism" with Brahmanism/Brahmanical Hinduism or does he differentiate the two? Seems he uses Brahmanism in other places in the text (for example, p. 46), without reference to Brahmanic-Sanskritic Hinduism and so perhaps in a different sense? Asteramellus (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Historical Vedic religion#Brahmanism: Agree with PadFoot. "As a polemical term" covers other meanings. --Redtigerxyz Talk 13:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, I hadn't noticed. "Brahmanical Hinduism" vs. "folk Hinduism" also fits in there, and the connection with Hindu nationalism. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- -_- I suggested that above and you spent the entire day arguing with me. I told you that Brahmanical Hinduism is synonymous with Brahmanism (not Historical Brahminism), and that section covers all the implications of that term. You can withdraw this RfD now and retargeted the redirect. PadFoot (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, you didn't. You only suggested to make the redirect more precise; you didn't notice or suggest what Redtigerxyz noticed. Nor did you say
Brahmanical Hinduism is synonymous with Brahmanism (not Historical Brahminism)
; you wroteBrahmanical Hinduism is commonly used to refer to the phase of the religion during the late Vedic period (Brahminism)
. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- It's still the common usage, isn't it? PadFoot (talk) 07:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, you didn't. You only suggested to make the redirect more precise; you didn't notice or suggest what Redtigerxyz noticed. Nor did you say
- -_- I suggested that above and you spent the entire day arguing with me. I told you that Brahmanical Hinduism is synonymous with Brahmanism (not Historical Brahminism), and that section covers all the implications of that term. You can withdraw this RfD now and retargeted the redirect. PadFoot (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, I hadn't noticed. "Brahmanical Hinduism" vs. "folk Hinduism" also fits in there, and the connection with Hindu nationalism. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Silly mountain
[edit]Hanshan Deqing can be "Silly Mountain" - "Crazy Mountain" is in the article, but "Silly Mountain" can be used to distinguish from Hanshan (poet) ("Cold Mountain"). The other items in the disambiguation page are different Chinese characters and I don't think any can be "Silly". There is also Silly Mountain (Arizona) - not sure if there should be a separate disambiguation page or (if there are only two uses) a redirect to one or the other. Peter James (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, disambiguate these two meanings because neither seems to be primary for such a niche term. --Joy (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Silly Mountain (Arizona), possibly with a hatnote to it being an alternative name for Hanshan Deqing. The fact that "Silly Mountain" didn't even merit inclusion as a possible name at the latter article (which does include "foolish mountain" as well as the above mentioned "Crazy Mountain") seems to indicate to me that the Arizona mountain is what someone would be looking for searching under this, though it's a plausible translation and probably makes sense to hatnote. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Is it likely that the bulk of our readers would associate this term with a single topic as the bulk of sources would do the same?
- Is it an ambiguous name that our readers might encounter in reference to several topics in sources?
- --Joy (talk) 08:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any reliable sources that call Hanshan Dequing "Silly Mountain". Googling for it shows a few dozen self-published sites and college papers, but it's not clear to me it's a common translation in literature at all. Searching for "Silly Mountain" on its own pretty exclusively brings up stuff about the Arizona mountain. Did you find sources indicating otherwise? Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 14:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Retarget and add a hatnote. What matters is whether sources exist and how prevalent they are, not whether they are reliable or not. Less than a minute on google found at least 7 sources that clearly identify this as a name for Hanshan Deqing, so it's clearly something that will be searched for. However, it is also clear that the mountain in Arizona is the primary topic so we should retarget there and add a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Perfect victory
[edit]- Perfect victory → Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a term used for winning a round without being hit, used in pretty much every fighting game that doesn't call it "flawless" instead. surprisingly, though, there seems to be an actual primary topic for this term. more surprisngly, that primary topic seems to be light yagami. not sure if it should be retargeted to him or to fighting game (and adding a mention) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Topic not mentioned in any of the possible pages, and I don't think it would be particularly due weight to include it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While Light Yagami is the most common result in my searches, it doesn't rise to the level of primary topic. Looking for where it is mentioned on Wikipedia we get Kanzen Shouri Daiteioh (partial title match for the literal translation of the title), the middle of a long quote at Søren Kierkegaard#Journals, Samurai Deeper Kyo'#Episodes (title of episode 16), Sucker Punch (2011 film)#Plot, Darren Manning#International career, none of which are more than passing mentions, and titles of sources at Paul Collingwood, Sayo Hayakawa and Manchester United F.C. 9–0 Ipswich Town F.C.. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Light Yagami and Fighting game. It’s a plausible term for either one. 24.126.165.174 (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not mentioned at the target. --Un assiolo (talk) 09:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Iasst
[edit]- Iasst → Institute of advanced Study in science and technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is intended as an acronym, so it should be capitalized. However, the acronym IASST --> International Association for Safety and Survival Training. The Institute of advanced Study in science and technology page is new, still unreviewed, potentially non-notable. The current target for Iasst has been redirected, given a previous XfD closer. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It is confusing to have redirects in different cases point to different targets. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Out of the two "IASST" potential targets (International Association for Safety and Survival Training and Department of Science and Technology (India), which is what encompasses the Institute of Advanced Study in Science and Technology), the latter dwarfs the former in views - see these stats: [15] (but that doesn't necessarily mean viewers are looking for Institute of Advanced Study in Science and Technology when going to Department of Science and Technology (India), so doesn't really help the PTOPIC search). Searching "IASST" in a websearch gives Safety and Survival Training as a first result, but the majority of the ones afterwards point to the Indian science dept. Seeing as a primary topic doesn't appear obvious I suggest disambiguating - ie. delete Iasst and then converting IASST to a minidab which points to both International Association for Safety and Survival Training and Department of Science and Technology (India). BugGhost🦗👻 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)- No reason to delete, but the different capitalisation should not go to a different target. IASST should probably made into a disambiguation page then Iasst can redirect to it. Redirects with only the first letter capitalised are usually kept (unless consensus has changed recently), and I don't know if these are pronounced as a word but the combination of letters looks like it could be. Peter James (talk) 12:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
2025 UK general election
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#2025 UK general election
Lee Min-ho (singer)
[edit]- Lee Min-ho (singer) → Lee Min-ho (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently redirects to the dab page because two people named Lee Min-ho are singers: one is the member of Stray Kids Lee Know and the other is a more prominent actor Lee Min-ho. Which do you think is a more suitable target, Lee Know or the K-drama actor? ScarletViolet 💬 📝 11:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is: Judging by the pageviews, Lee Min-ho is nearly 6 times more visited than Lee Know. However, it seems that Lee Min-ho is more known for being an actor than a singer, while Lee Know is primarily known for his K-Pop singing/dancing. Most readers would type Lee Min-ho (actor) instead of (singer). However, Lee Know is better known by his stage name than his real name. I think there is too much factors at play here to accurate judge the reader's intention, or WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It shouldn't be deleted per Wikipedia:INCOMPDAB, which says to redirect to the more general disamb page if there is no primary topic. Ca talk to me! 15:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is The standard for partial disamsbiguation is extremely high and this doesn't meet it. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is per above. I don't think the standard for partial disambiguation should be as high as it is, but even by my standards there is no primary topic here. Thryduulf (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The base name is a singer so shouldn't it redirect there if the South Korean singer has been deemed the primary topic for the base name? If there is no primary topic the DAB should be moved to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting due to Crouch, Swale's observation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move disambiguation page to Lee Min-ho. Crouch, Swale is right. Since other editors agree there is no primary topic, the base name should be the disambiguation page and Lee Min-ho (singer) should be retargeted to Lee Min-ho as ambiguous. C F A 💬 15:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think other editors are arguing that the title "Lee Min-ho" has no primary topic. Judging by the pageviews, and the fact that Lee Know are known better for his screen name make me to believe that the Lee Min-ho the actor is primary topic for the title "Lee Min-ho". The nominator has said
other is a more prominent actor Lee Min-ho
. What I think ambiguous in terms of primary topic is the title "Lee Min-ho" with (singer) attached to it, for reasons I mentioned above. Ca talk to me! 15:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think other editors are arguing that the title "Lee Min-ho" has no primary topic. Judging by the pageviews, and the fact that Lee Know are known better for his screen name make me to believe that the Lee Min-ho the actor is primary topic for the title "Lee Min-ho". The nominator has said
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is per Ca. ✗plicit 00:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 17#Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
Priestess
[edit]- Priestess → Priest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Female priest → Ordination of women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Re-target to Ordination of women. This is for consistency with Female priest, as agreed upon at Talk:Priestess_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_25_August_2023. Discussion of the other redirect occurred at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_15#Female_priest. There are concerns about the appropriateness of the current target to house a section for the target of this redirect. See Talk:Priest#Priestesses. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. A priestess is a female priest, therefore the topic is clearly the covered by the article at priest. I've never heard the term used in connection with the origination of women, and would be frankly rather WP:ASTONISHed if the redirect went there. — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's ordination, not origination. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I nominated the other redirect Female priest in case we want to change it to Priest for consistency.
- @Amakuru: You "never heard the term ... the origination of women, and ... WP:ASTONISHed"?
FYI, I created this RfD while dealing with Draft:Priestess, and related articles' history might be useful. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Keep per Shhhnotsoloud - if someone prepends "female" to this then the topic is most likely to refer to ordination of women
— User:Amakuru 15:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I might support a split of Ordination of women, with some of it being split off to Priestess and the rest moved to Ordination of women in Christianity. These appear to be 2 separate notable concepts that don't have to be combined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. That is what I've been attempting to accurately do.
- Personal bias disclosed: I use the title. And it is legally valid in my region.
- Whilst I am a minority to use it in my particular faith tradition, I know many other women in ministry of different faiths, who also sincerely use it for official purposes. As well
- As historically. Any woman in many countries, that worked as a ceremony lead in any kind of temple, often was called a Priestess. Priestess Noel Ann (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In favour of making the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Priestess its own page, linked to Ordination of women.
- Priestess Noel Ann (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More discussion may need to occur regarding Draft:Priestess and its article potential to help form consensus here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think RfD is the place to discuss whether Draft:Priestess should be an article since there are already places for that to happen. If there is a "Priestess" article, I agree that Female priest should redirect there. If that article doesn't exist (or until it does), I think the current situation seems ideal: (a) Priestess should redirect to Priest (just like Actress→Actor); (b) I have less strong feelings about "Female Priest"→"Ordination of woman" but I think it makes sense. People might want to describe someone as a "priestess" with a hyperlink and have it redirect to a page explaining what the profession/role means. That seems pretty unlikely with "female priest". —mako๛ 12:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, happens quite often. Replace the redirect with an article, and the discussion gets closed. If need be, the "new" article can go to WP:AFD. Steel1943 (talk) 00:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Unreal engine
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Template:AFC infobox
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Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)
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Formula one in schools
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Draft:Jaheim
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Le Clique: Vida Rockstar (X)
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Priyanka Chahar Choudhary
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My cock is hard
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Movies about pbuh
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Kalki (upcoming film)
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Wonderland (upcoming film)
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Györöd, Romania
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Zelda Games in Development
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Virginia & truckee 11, reno
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Windproof umbrella
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Template:Bruh
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List of storms named Jeana
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Occupied Korea
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All-Star Batman and Robin
[edit]- All-Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All star batman and robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All-Star Batman & Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
all-star batman and robin is a different goddamn comic from all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder, but its only meaningful goddamn mention is in the goddamn list of batman comics, and the goddamn results seem to give goddamn priority to all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder. should they be goddamn retargeted to the goddamn list of batman comics, or are they goddamn fine as is? cogsan (goddamn talk page) (goddamn contribs) 13:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- on that goddamn note, should i bring up all star batman and all-star batman (the only goddamn difference is a goddamn hyphen), as they have different goddamn targets, or does the goddamn exclusion of robin narrow them out of this goddamn topic? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there's no goddamn way that the current goddamn arrangement with those two redirects (ASB and A-SB) is the correct goddamn outcome. Since this conversation seems to be lurching toward to a goddamn DAB, I think that the next goddamn question is whether the goddamn DAB is titled something like "All Star Batman" and includes all of these goddamn titles (ASB, ASBAR, ASBARTBW) or whether it's just ASBAR and ASBARTBW. The former "broader" DAB actually seems like my preferred goddamn outcome. —mako๛ 11:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Too many goddamn questions!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- bats like their goddamn questions. they like them a lot. cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Sorry that I don't get the references here, and I'm thinking many won't. Heck, I don't even understand the nomination statement. What's going on with these redirects? Steel1943 (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- asbar and asbartbw (what a nice acronym) are different comics, though only the latter has an article of its own. the joke is mostly that the target really loves plastering the word "goddamn" everywhere, to the point where "the goddamn batman" is an actual redirect to it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not enough goddamn answers!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, mwwv converse∫edits 01:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - Since it was too confusing, we should make into a disambiguation page. Ahri Boy (talk) 03:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Question for Cogsan perhaps. This is a very confusing nomination (even without all the goddamns)! Are the very similarly named comics without articles at the moment not notable or do they just not have articles yet? If they are never going to have articles, the proposal sounds reasonable since it seems like this redirect should point somewhere and that seems like the obvious place that currently exists! Otherwise, I like the idea of redirecting to a DAB that explains the situation (perhaps with WP:REDLINKS?). —mako๛ 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- i'm not the biggest batman fanatic out there so i can't say for sure, but results for "all-star batman" and "all-star batman and robin" are riddled with all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, since robin is a pretty important character in batman lore and "boy wonder" is a pretty common nickname for him, so it's hard to tell
- in case of doubt, i'll assume the answer is "their only notable trait is sharing their names with that one comic", and change my vote to dabifying between all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, dc rebirth, and the list of batman comics so i don't have to think about it again cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as per the goddamn response by the goddamn nom and the goddamn conversation here. —mako๛ 15:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify, goddammit - What, are you dense? Are you ^%$&*^%# or something? Just where do you think this should go? It's The Goddamn All-Star Batman & Robin (disambiguation). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 07:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- that still falls within "some way". the condolences are inevitable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Can someone draft a disambiguation page? I would usually do so myself but I am not familiar with the topic. C F A 💬 16:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Mario Party minigames
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Tonies
[edit]A quick Google suggests that the primary topic is toys made by Tonies (company), sending this to RfD because I'm not sure if it should be retargeted, disambiguated, or kept as is. Rusalkii (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Send to WP:RM. The policy-compliant solution would be to move Tonies (company) to Tonies, with a hatnote pointing to Tony (disambiguation), but this is the wrong venue to make that decision. Tevildo (talk) 00:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I think this is the correct venue to discuss whether the redirect is leading to the correct topic or not. But it probably is not, since the Tony Awards are conventionally called the Tonys rather than the Tonies.
Six months ago, BuySomeApples appears to have thought the toy company was not the primary topic for the term, moving the article and establishing the current redirect target.— BarrelProof (talk) 01:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)- Scratched some of that. That action by BuySomeApples was just a judgment that the toy company article wasn't mature and should be draftified. — BarrelProof (talk) 02:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The awards are usually (and officially) pluralized as the "Tonys", so I'd say the article about the company should sit at the main title with a hatnote to the award show, however it's best to accomplish that. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say the awards should be directly linked in a hatnote. We also have Tonie, Tonie, Kraków, and the Wilmington Tonies (see List of professional sports teams in Delaware). The dab page is a better target. Tevildo (talk) 16:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tony, and add Tonies (company) (and any "Tonie" entries) to Tony. Prevents the need to have multiple disambiguation pages. Steel1943 (talk) 17:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Related move request opened at Talk:Tonie#Requested move 9 August 2024 claiming there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Tonie". Steel1943 (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Tonies (company) to Tonies per Tevildo and 35.139, and add a hatnote to Tony awards. (No need to send to WP:RM - we can figure it out here without making discussions too dispersed.) Due to the spelling the toy company is the clear primary topic - nothing else mentioned here actually goes by the name "Tonies". Oppose retargetting to Tony - that is a different word - user has typed "Tonies" and so likely wants to go to an existing article with that name. BugGhost🦗👻 15:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
New Super Mario World
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Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together
[edit]- Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together → Super Mario Galaxy 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is not known by this name. The article has only had this title for 16 minutes before being moved back. Mia Mahey (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No mention of this title in article. Never released as this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - It is a proper title for the game in South Korea based on a few searches. Probably still a delete, though. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is the official Korean name for the game, it is also listed as so on the Mario Wiki. This could be added to the Wikipedia page as well. BigManBigChange (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- wp:rlang applies here. same reason a korean redirect for a kirby game got deleted 10 days ago. if a source is eventually found, it could potentially be added as a piece of info in the development section, but otherwise, nah. the same rationale applies to the nomination just below this one. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The odd title is the result of last-minute changes brought due to the Korean Intelletual Property Office determinination that the original title conflicted with multiple pre-existing products. Strangely I can't find any source that covers this. Ca talk to me! 09:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep I thought about it for a while, and I say we keep for the Korean-English bilinguals who may not have realized this game was published under a different name in Korea. The reasoning behind WP:RLANG is that readers would be unlikely to search up topics with non-English search terms if the topic is unaffined to the language.
- However, the Korean title is a simple English transliteration of
- Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together. "슈퍼 마리오 Wii 갤럭시 어드벤처" contains no Korean words and simply spells out the English title. This may lead readers to think the name is same in English releases too, just not in Hangul. Ca talk to me! 13:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Ca's reasoning; this isn't the sort of foreign language redirect we avoid. It's the English translation of the Korean title of the game, which happened to be different from the name in most other places. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not sure if I have to keep the DRV tag here ... but anywho, vacated my close, relisting due to possibly unclear consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- i still think rlang applies here. no amount of title-changing will give this a strong enough association with a japanese game. as an example, hoodwinked! is known in brazil (whatever that is) as "deu a louca na chapeuzinho" ("little hood's gone crazy" (no mention of the hood's color or the riding part)), but that likely doesn't warrant the redirect here unless a source is plopped there or the movie is popular enough among brazilian audiences (assuming brazil is real). an example of something like this actually working is chaves (television series), as the target is allegedly heavily associated with brazil
- also, the previous title's redirect was already deleted, so add "for symmetry's sake" to my vote cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Active worlds in the Solar System
[edit]- Active worlds in the Solar System → Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not the biggest volcano nerd out there, so sorry in advance for any uninformed claims, but from reading the target and other related articles, there seem to be no other celestial bodies that meet the criteria of being a "world", currently having volcanic activity, and being in the solar system, though mercury is a strong "maybe". on another note, i'm not entirely sure "active world" is a term used to refer to volcanic activity, and the creator of the redirect (who seems to have made it as an essay) seemed to have also been referring to geysers, and counting moons as "worlds". for results. wikipedia gave me an mmo (shoutouts to hitomi fujiko), google gave me assorted apps and brands, and wiktionary gave me nothing. unless there's a detail i'm missing or this is a scientific term that refers to celestial bodies with volcanic activity, i'll vote for deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- on this note, i should mention "volcanically active worlds", a redirect that specifies the type of activity it refers to and does not specify the location. jury's still out on the definition of world though, but it's a step in the right direction cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a better redirect at this time as is this not a redirect with potential.?
- Jury is out on definition of volcano as noted in the article itself and presumably meaning of world. Planet and moon are more accurate terms. Many "worlds" are active in some way as they are above absolute zero and may have internal or external entropy sources that disturb their surface however that is defined. Someone could get a good article out of this so my vote is to retain in hope someone will do the job, unless there is a better redirect. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- drifting into personal opinion territory by now, but wouldn't returning to red be better for that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think "Active worlds" is too ambiguous to justify keeping "Active worlds in the Solar System" as a redirect to Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies. I also have not found any other suitable redirect targets because the problem is the lack of meaning in the redirect's title rather than a problem with any targets of the redirect. I recommend delete. GeoWriter (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- drifting into personal opinion territory by now, but wouldn't returning to red be better for that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- The term is despite limited google results not novel, see this graphic which seems to go beyond volcanoes, "volcanically active world in our solar system" is also used. This abstract refers to "active worlds" as anything "geophysically" active. The current redirect does seem to not encompass the full scope, but it's also not the most strictly defined term. Perhaps Lists of geological features of the Solar System may be better, but deleting it may also be an option. CMD (talk) 03:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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- Delete. This was apparently an aborted draft, which was very quickly BLARed back in 2008. The page has no edit history of value, and the title is implausible at best, and misleading at worst. It's pretty wordy, and "active" can just as easily mean any sort of geological activity, not just volcanic. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Scared Silly
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Apple reinvents the phone.
[edit]- Apple reinvents the phone. → IPhone (1st generation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely search term. This appears to be the official slogan of the iPhone. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as {{r from slogan}}. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for trailing full stop. From Search, the slogan (or rather press release headline) appears to have been "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep, as this is the product's slogan. Even if "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone" is the full phrase, strictly speaking, "Apple reinvents the phone" is the concise form which became arguably more popular, and which also gets many search hits. As can be seen from the edit summary, the user who requested the deletion has withdrawn the application anyway.--Maxeto0910 (talk) 13:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apple reinvents the phone may be their slogan and therefore a viable redirect, but Apple reinvents the phone. is not. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- Among the main purposes of a redirect is that users who can't remember something's name exactly can still find it nonetheless when they type something similar in Wikipedia's search bar. That's also why likely or frequent misspellings are allowed as redirects. Therefore, I see no problem in having a period here since users may assume that this slogan ends with a period since it's a complete sentence. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apple reinvents the phone may be their slogan and therefore a viable redirect, but Apple reinvents the phone. is not. --Ahecht (TALK
- Keep as slogans are valid encyclopedic entries for historically interested people. We usually link to the corresponding product or company, tagging the redirect with
{{R from slogan}}
, unless the slogan became so commonly known that we have a dedicated article about it. (Not an iPhone fan at all, but anyway.) --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC) - Weak delete The slogan is unnecessarily long and clearly promotional. Instead something like Phones by Apple Inc. might be useful. IgelRM (talk) 13:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the full slogan, there's the malformed period at the end, it includes the company name (so at best only marginally useful for "hey, I remember that slogan, but not what it's about, let's ask Wikipedia"), and it's not targeted at "an article or section of an article about the slogan" like {{R from slogan}} says it is. Too many things wrong here. Search is sufficient; it'll find the mention in IPhone (1st generation)'s infobox without this redirect's help. Delete. —Cryptic 16:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I explained why I don't think it's a problem that the slogan is not the exact official one and includes a period.
- Also, I don't see it as a problem that the redirect includes the name of the company of the product since there are many iPhone models and the slogan could potentially apply to many of them. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- This may be a case of WP:CITOGENESIS as a similar term "iPhone Apple reinvents the phone." was added to the target in 2011, and then changed to the redirect term under discussion in 2012 by 66.121.52.2. Later, external websites may have picked it up. Fix the slogan at the Infobox or keep the redirect. Jay 💬 18:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. And since the slogan in the shortened, unofficial form has arguably gained more media coverage and popularity (probably because it is more concise), the redirect should be kept. Nonetheless, the slogan in the infobox should be corrected to the arguably less popular full version and get a redirect as well, simply because it's the official one. Maxeto0910 (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Sharp Willcom D4
[edit]- Sharp Willcom D4 → Ultra-mobile PC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article was blanked and redirected, but target does not seem to mention this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Create anchor for Sharp or Sharp Wilclcom D4 at Comparison of netbooks#Specifications, unlink and retarget. Jay 💬 15:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on creating an anchor?
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MOS: OVERLINKING
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Bolsover (borough)
[edit]- Bolsover (borough) → Bolsover District (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, neither the current non-metropolitan district at Bolsover District nor the previous district Bolsover Urban District hold/have held borough status. Yes Google searches in quotes for "Bolsover Borough Council" will return results but the same is the case for "Braintree Borough Council" and "Harlow Borough Council". This is different to Chesterfield (borough) and Chesterfield Borough Council that go to Borough of Chesterfield that does have borough status along with the previous district Municipal Borough of Chesterfield. Its normal for districts that have borough status to have redirects from "Foo (district)" but not redirects for "Foo (borough)" when the district doesn't have borough status. Yes there are links to the redirect but they can be changed to the correct target and it appears to only have been at this title for a few weeks in 2004 when it was corrected and moved. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Simply the result of an error I made briefly over a little over 20 years ago. Seems entirely reasonable to delete. Morwen (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Given the internet hits for "Bolover borough" and "Borough of Bolsover" this is a common enough error to merit a {{R from incorrect name}} redirect. See e.g page 11 of this PDF where the local Conservative Party calls it "Borough of Bolsover". We educate people making this sort of mistake by taking them to the content they are looking for that explains the correct situation rather than making them jump through hoops to find it. Thryduulf (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an attested error that someone might search. The existence of the redirect will correct them effectively enough. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Grand Duke of Hum redirects
[edit]- Sandalj Hranić, Grand Duke of Hum → Sandalj Hranić (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vukovic, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vuković, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extension to bio's name in the article tile is misnomer in form of implausible noble title. ౪ Santa ౪99° 01:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Article leads specify that they are Grand Dukes (of Bosnia), and have holdings in Hum... heck, Vlatko is specified to be a Duke of Hum. Seems plausible to me that someone would mash the two facts together when searching for this person. A redirect doesn't have to be accurate, and mistakes and misunderstandings are perfectly acceptable reasons to have a redirect. The target is also unambiguous here. Doesn't really matter if there actually is a "Grand Duke" title for Hum or not. Fieari (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- A cursory Google Books search for "grand duke of hum" and "veliki vojvoda humski" don't turn up these people, but it does turn up some other people, Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, Miroslav, Vojislav. Santasa99 what is the actual significance of this title, if any? --Joy (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, guys! Duke of Hum exists as a title, Grand Duke of Hum does not/did not, and there is very clear record about every known/recorded local nobleman and how he used to title himself - so no mystery there. In case of Vlatko Vuković and Sandalj Hranić they did not use title Duke of Hum either, they always signed themselves or were mentioned in charters as Grand Duke of Bosnia only. Many other local noblemen, even of lesser status than Vuković, Hranić, and later Vukčić (all members of Kosača clan) wore the Duke of Hum title - such as Sankovićs, Nikolićs, Vlatkovićs, etc. - simply there was no such title as Grand Duke of Hum, there was only Grand Duke of Bosnia as a title. Of all Kosača members, only Stjepan Vukčić wore both titles, the Duke of Hum and Grand Duke of Bosnia, and also Knez of Drina and of Primorje, and he almost always used full title. There was also nobility from earlier periods, but as far as I know nobility in pre-Bosnian medieval state era mostly wore title of knez (knyaz/prince) and župan. In short, title Grand Duke of Hum never existed. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should have said from Early Middle Ages instead of pre-Bosnian state. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can see every single recorded title in Konkordancijski rjecnik cirilskih povelja srednjovjekovne Bosne. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, guys! Duke of Hum exists as a title, Grand Duke of Hum does not/did not, and there is very clear record about every known/recorded local nobleman and how he used to title himself - so no mystery there. In case of Vlatko Vuković and Sandalj Hranić they did not use title Duke of Hum either, they always signed themselves or were mentioned in charters as Grand Duke of Bosnia only. Many other local noblemen, even of lesser status than Vuković, Hranić, and later Vukčić (all members of Kosača clan) wore the Duke of Hum title - such as Sankovićs, Nikolićs, Vlatkovićs, etc. - simply there was no such title as Grand Duke of Hum, there was only Grand Duke of Bosnia as a title. Of all Kosača members, only Stjepan Vukčić wore both titles, the Duke of Hum and Grand Duke of Bosnia, and also Knez of Drina and of Primorje, and he almost always used full title. There was also nobility from earlier periods, but as far as I know nobility in pre-Bosnian medieval state era mostly wore title of knez (knyaz/prince) and župan. In short, title Grand Duke of Hum never existed. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Double dual
[edit]- Double dual → Dual space#Injection into the double-dual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bidual → Strong dual space#Bidual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should probably point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- These are similar, but there's an important difference: the double dual is purely algebraic and completely general (basic linear algebra), while the bidual requires a topology and is much more specific, namely in functional analysis. They should reference and linked to each other as related and confusingly similar, but distinct.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. It seems that "bidual" and "double dual" are used synonymously, although I have never heard of "double dual". However, there are two notions of biduals corresponding to two notions of duals: the algebraic dual formed by the linear forms and the topological dual formed by the continuous linear forms. So, I suggest to transform Bidual into a dab page with two entries and to redirect Double dual there. The entries could be labeled "in linear algebra" (for the present target of bidual) and "of a topological vector space" (for the present target of double dual). D.Lazard (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- A disambiguation page seems in order, given the multiple meanings of "double dual". I've drafted one at [16], linking to Bidual, and added a link from (the target of) Bidual back to Double dual at [17]. WDYT?
- I've heard the term "Double dual" used widely in linear algebra, group theory, etc., but this is the first I've heard of "Bidual", and it seems specific to the Topological Vector Spaces (though used specifically for normed spaces, Locally convex topological vector space, etc.). A quick check of Wikipedia and Google agrees.
- If someone more familiar with biduals wants to expand that to a dab too, no objections, but given the distinct uses, "double dual" and "bidual" aren't generally used synonymously and shouldn't be merged, despite the similar meaning ("dual of dual, in some context"). Notably algebraic duals or Pontryagin duality don't generally use the term "bidual".
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- At the very least "bidual" is still ambiguous between a subset of the meanings of "double dual". 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I’ve now drafted a dab at Bidual too, linking to the Topological Vector Space uses.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 21:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Instead of a relist, I was looking to close this. @1234qwer1234qwer4 and D.Lazard: what do you think of the two drafted disambiguation pages? Jay 💬 11:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- They seem fine if one takes only into account the links that have been provided before. However, none of the drafts link to Duality (mathematics)#Dual objects, were a general concept is defined, called there bidual, that includes as special instances all examples given in the two drafts. I do not know how to link it in either dab page without increasing confusion. So, I remains convinced that the best solution is to merge the dab pages with a primary meaning linking to Duality (mathematics)#Dual object. Again it seems that this is the best way to solve the terminology problem that the general concept called bidual has its most elementary instances called double dual. D.Lazard (talk) 13:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like there are two questions: whether to have a DAB page or a page section, and whether to have separate pages/sections for the two terms. If using DAB, it seems clearer to have separate ones, given different uses. However, given that this is a simple definition, best is probably to link both to a section that says "dual of dual, called bidual/double dual, examples", rather than DABs.
- Some text at Duality (mathematics) seems in order anyways; I'll try drafting something.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 02:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- They seem fine if one takes only into account the links that have been provided before. However, none of the drafts link to Duality (mathematics)#Dual objects, were a general concept is defined, called there bidual, that includes as special instances all examples given in the two drafts. I do not know how to link it in either dab page without increasing confusion. So, I remains convinced that the best solution is to merge the dab pages with a primary meaning linking to Duality (mathematics)#Dual object. Again it seems that this is the best way to solve the terminology problem that the general concept called bidual has its most elementary instances called double dual. D.Lazard (talk) 13:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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SurveyMonkey/Axios
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New York Times/Siena College
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Bloomberg/Morning Consult
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Well, excuse me!
[edit]- Well, excuse me! → Steve Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Let's Get Small as the album from the current target which this phrase is most associated, but then I remembered ... people looking up this phrase could reasonably be trying to find The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!#Premise where a version of the subject of the article Link (The Legend of Zelda) is notable for saying "Well, excuse me, princess!" and since Well excuse me princess redirects there. Seems like a case of "disambiguate" or "retarget" and I'm not sure which, even with the fact that this redirect is a partial match for the Link phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Was thinking about nominating this one too, also while having "well excuse me princess" on my mind.
- As the inclusion of the word "well" is never mentioned in any context preceding the title "Excuse Me" in the album, I'd prefer to delete this, but a retarget is better than a keep. Retargeting brings this title closer to its potential context (moreso than a general pass towards the person that presumably said the phrase), but without any mention of the "well" bit, there's no indication in the article that people would search for this instead of Excuse Me (the song on the album; the song, which does not appear on the Excuse Me disambiguation page). It does not seem necessary to target this title to Excuse Me either. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- dabify or add all redirects missing the word "princess" to "excuse me" per 50% of what steel said, but also per "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess"
- wait, no, wrong quote, i mean "that's only barely uncommon enough to probably warrant the dab" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Let's Get Small as originally considered. That seems like a pretty good approach, as it explains the evolution into a catchphrase. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
We are two wild and crazy guys
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Chinese coins
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Sufferin' succotash
[edit]- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
I can do this all day
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Now cut that out!
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Stifle!
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Ten thousand thundering typhoons
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Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl.
[edit]Interim Government of Waker uz Zaman
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Güija
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Ruvaush
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Kochenite
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Allingite
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Wikipedia:Abritration Committe
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LuoBu
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Draft:`roblox
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C'thulhu (assassination)
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Elongated tetragonal disphenoid
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Syrup the Witch
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Pig cop
[edit]similarly to doom not actually having invented demons or shotguns, duke nukem 3d didn't invent the concept of comparing american police to raw bacon. they're also a recurring enemy in the series, so it would probably be better off retargeted to the series' article anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- wait, found the primary topic, it's in list of police-related slang terms, under p, so i'll vote for retargeting there. shoutouts to the unsourced mention of duki nuki there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Redirecting to PRST makes no sense here as the slang term is just "pig". While pig cops are a common enemy in Duke Nukem, they're just one of a multitude of enemies designed based off of the slang (another example being literal pig cops in Pizza Tower) and so the term is too ambiguous to justify a redirect nowadays. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 23:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- i thought more as in "that'd be a disambiguator without the parentheses", and it seems at least commonly used enough to warrant not banishing the redirect to brazil, but fair enough
- also the pizza tower enemies are called hamkuffs, can't believe you would overlook such an important plot point smh smh smh my head cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- To someone who has never played Pizza Tower they would call them as they sees them, and they sees porcine law enforcement officers. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of police-related slang terms per cogsan. मल्ल (talk) 21:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Pig" and "cop" are slang terms for a police officer. "Pig cop" is not. "Pig cop" is a kind of enemy in Duke Nukem 3D. Google shows that as the primary topic, with secondary usage to refer to various pigs in cop outfits; I'm sure there's some usage as a compound pejorative, but nothing of note. That said, there's still potential ambiguity, so Refine to § Gameplay and hatnote to List of police-related slang terms § Pig (an anchor I've just created). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 03:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Outsmart
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Vemront
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Moldorm
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List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons
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Postman (The Legend of Zelda series)
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Seven Sages (Zelda series)
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Bionic Bunny, et al.
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Veere Ki Wedding
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Eng.wikipedia.org
[edit]Couch sex
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Togey
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Link Link
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Triumph Forks
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Copper pan
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"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
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Children's games (role play)
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Religious movement
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Miligram
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Saint Boy
[edit]- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target. Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [18][19] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Symplectic action
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Metal Mario
[edit]No mention of "Metal Mario" on the target page. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article in the page history without prejudice to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. It would be very easy to add a sourced mention - it's an alternate name for Mario when he uses a "power up" that makes his body look like metal. Sources like this outline it. An alternate target could be at Super Mario 64#Gameplay, where it's already touched on some there. That's where the concept originated, though it's been used in many games now, so its current target is probably preferable. Sergecross73 msg me 12:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as Metal Mario is a significant recurring character in the Mario franchise spin-offs and thus a plausible search term. A mention should be added at the subject, but I am unopposed to a redirect to Super Mario 64 if that is deemed a better solution. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Fire Mario redirects to Super Mario#Projectiles, Tanooki Mario to Super Mario Bros. 3. Those are about all the 'Marios' I know for sure. Taking a guess at some extra Marios, Ice Mario redirects to Super Mario, and then Hammer Mario and Invincible Mario don't have any pages or redirects. Will readers be expecting to be redirected to wildly disparate pages when they're all effectively variations of the same character? 122141510 (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Super Mario 64#Health, lives, and power-ups, akin to Metal Cap, where it's actually discussed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Biden crisis
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 15#Biden crisis
Manalo Cult
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 10#Manalo Cult
Medical coding
[edit]- Medical coding → Medical classification (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clinical coding → Clinical coder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Medical and clinical coding are terms for the same thing. Of note; I boldly changed the medical coding redirect to match that of clinical coding in 2019. It was manually reverted to the previous, and now current, target in Aug 2023. I'm of the opinion that pointing the process (i.e. coding) to the profession (coder) is what a reader would expect rather than the tools used (classification), but they should at least have the same target. Little pob (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget clinical coding to medical classification per nom. Keep medical coding as is. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the "per nom", what you suggested is the opposite of the nomination. Jay 💬 16:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely agree that they should point to the same place. I tend to think that medical classification is basically a synonym, and thus a better target. That article is a bit of a mess though, it seems to be discussing several different things. CapitalSasha ~ talk 23:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
- The classifying of medical terms through the system of coding - seemingly the approach of the respondents so far
- The tools used by the coders - my sole interpretation until now
- I don't think either view point is wrong. If closer sees no consensus, perhaps a temporary DAB page with tracking could be considered? (I think such a process exists but not how to set up, nor the proper terminology to even be able to look for help on doing so (assuming non-sysop editors like myself would even be able to set such a thing up).)
- I agree that classification needs work. In fact the whole topic area needs looking at. It had been a long term project of mine, and possibly might still get round to it, but I'm much more of a wikignome than a wikifairy. Little pob (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
- When I created the redirect from Clinical coding to Clinical coder I wasn't aware of the Medical coding redirect. That's because most countries have moved their terminology to the broader term and my own country never used the term. (I started as a medical statistics clerk and after a while the position was renamed as a clinical coder.) I agree that the two terms are synonymous and should redirect to the same place. Clinical/Medical coding is what a clinical coder does, while medical classification is a broader topic which includes the clinical classifications used and the tools utilised to implement the classifications in the field as well as the end uses of the data produced. My personal preference would be to see Medical classification rewritten and moved to Clinical classification. The justification for this is that the classifications covered in the article are broader than the "medical" domain and by using the term "clinical" we can encompass nursing, vetinary, severity, pharmacological, and allied health classifications. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that these should both be directed to the same destination. I note above there are plans to do further work on articles about clinical coding. In the meantime I think medical classification is the best currently available destination. Mgp28 (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Chesticle
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Baldface Mountain (Herkimer County, New York)
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Artistic swimming at the 2028 Summer Olympics
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SO(32)
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Iasst
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The OG of the OC
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Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat)
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Metallic taste
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Travis Scott (The Sims character)
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Brotherhood of Shadow
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More-is-less paradox
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Less-is-more paradox
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Iconoclasm in the United Kingdom during the George Floyd protests
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Helstinky
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Multiply transitive
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Template:AFC infobox
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Caine (video game character)
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(video game character)
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Turbo HD
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Super Turbo
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SSFII
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Turbo Edition
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Perfect victory
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 10#Perfect victory
Virginia & truckee 11, reno
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Girl Toad
[edit]- Girl Toad → List of Mario franchise characters#Toadette (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. This term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia either. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep as plausible {{R from incorrect name}}. Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl Toad" is more likely to refer to a female toad than a fictional Mario character. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl" is an anthropomorphic word, so not likely. Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- No more likely to refer to the Mario franchise Toads than real toads. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The "Toad" characters in the Mario franchise are anthropomorphic; actual toads are not. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- No more likely to refer to the Mario franchise Toads than real toads. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl" is an anthropomorphic word, so not likely. Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl Toad" is more likely to refer to a female toad than a fictional Mario character. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: reasonable search term. C F A 💬 20:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The only mentions of "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia are those related to this discussion, suggesting that this is not a reasonable search term. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't really matter. It could still be a reasonable search term even if it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Someone could type "Girl Toad" into the search bar. It has received 700 page views throughout its history, suggesting it has been used at least a few times. Regardless, redirects are cheap. No reason this should be deleted. C F A 💬 23:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless a mention on the target can be added with a reliable source, this redirect should be deleted, as there is currently no information about "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is still a reasonable search term, whether or not it is mentioned in the target article. C F A 💬 23:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source that uses "Girl Toad" referring to Toadette. Otherwise, this redirect is WP:OR and should be deleted. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, it may be synthesis to a certain extent, but redirects are not required to be "correct" or neutral. If you google "girl toad", the first result is Toadette, indicating it is the correct target and a plausible search term. C F A 💬 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Google Search results for "girl toad" are not from reliable sources. Half of them are unrelated to Toadette. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say they were, but it still shows that it is a plausible search term. If you really think this is an issue, I would also support a disambiguation page with Toadette and Toad (frog). C F A 💬 23:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Google Search results for "girl toad" are not from reliable sources. Half of them are unrelated to Toadette. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, it may be synthesis to a certain extent, but redirects are not required to be "correct" or neutral. If you google "girl toad", the first result is Toadette, indicating it is the correct target and a plausible search term. C F A 💬 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source that uses "Girl Toad" referring to Toadette. Otherwise, this redirect is WP:OR and should be deleted. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is still a reasonable search term, whether or not it is mentioned in the target article. C F A 💬 23:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless a mention on the target can be added with a reliable source, this redirect should be deleted, as there is currently no information about "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't really matter. It could still be a reasonable search term even if it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Someone could type "Girl Toad" into the search bar. It has received 700 page views throughout its history, suggesting it has been used at least a few times. Regardless, redirects are cheap. No reason this should be deleted. C F A 💬 23:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The only mentions of "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia are those related to this discussion, suggesting that this is not a reasonable search term. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- the redirect seems vague. there are other distinctly female toads, mostly in the rpgs. it's like if "female human" redirected to hillary clinton or something. for now, i'd say return to red until zess t. is covered cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I think it's plausible search term for those who forgot the name Toadette. The title is capitalized (WP:DIFFCAPS), indicating a proper noun, and "girl" is an anthromorphic term. Wikipedia has no article on any fictional female toads. Ca talk to me! 15:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Google results seems split about 50/50 between various real-life female frogs and Toadette. We also don't have any content of female toads in particular, the cloests is Frog#Reproduction. Rusalkii (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Toad Town
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 15#Toad Town
MAGA tourist
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 15#MAGA tourist
Theoretical high pixel count images
[edit]- Yottapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yottapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zettapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zettapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Exapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Exapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Petapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target, and contents of the gigapixel article doesn't contain any technical relevance that would be applicable to peta-, exa-, zetta-, or yottapixel images. The size difference between a gigapixel image and a yottapixel image is huge - printed at 300dpi (standard magazine quality print), a gigapixel image would be about the size of a kingsize bed, while a yottapixel image would have about the same surface area as Neptune, and (if stored at 24bits/pixel) would require 6000x the storage capacity of all of AWS to store it as a png.
Note: Petapixel was recently listed at RFD and deleted, but that had different circumstances because of the existence of the unrelated article PetaPixel. BugGhost🦗👻 15:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- These seem like plausible search terms; someone may be curious to see if these higher designations exist or are used for anything. jp×g🗯️ 00:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I still feel the same way I felt about the previous RfD. Basically, if some sci-fi or otherwise speculative writer mentions an absurdly large SI-prefix referring to the size of an image, then the reader should be able to look up the concept of "absurdly large image" on wikipedia, even if the exact level of "absurdly large" is not specifically mentioned. Fieari (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep. I find Fieari's argument convincing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:PANDORA and the fact that these aren't common things to exist right now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I implore you to read lunamann's essay. mwwv converse∫edits 16:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA is misleading nonsense that contradicts WP:OTHERSTUFF and causes far more harm than the redirects it advocates deleting. How common these images are is irrelevant - what matters is that people who want to read about them can find the relevant article. Thryduulf (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
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- Delete (but keep Petapixel) with a potential exception for Petapixel image if well-sourced information about petapixel (e.g. 40M x 25M) images in particular can be found anywhere within the mainspace. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Tracel
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Zelda Games in Development
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Cock (slang)
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Windproof umbrella
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Eli Kowaz
[edit]- Eli Kowaz → Israel Policy Forum#Eli Kowaz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. There was a lot (probably too much) content on him earlier, which was removed by User:IPFcomms with the rationale that he was no longer with the org. Unsure if content on him should be in the article, but if it isn't the redirect should be deleted. Rusalkii (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The AfD provided grist to doubt his notability even with the IPF; now that he's no longer there it makes no sense for the redirect to be to IPF. Longhornsg (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @CFA restored the section covering Eli Kowaz, with justification "Restoring section removed by promotional editor". If the section is kept (which I think it shouldn't be, see e.g. LinkedIn confirming he is no longer at the company), the redirect should be too. Rusalkii (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans
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Support for Donald Trump
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Brock Harrison
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2024 assassination attempt
[edit]- 2024 assassination attempt → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Too general. MSMST1543 (talk) 02:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to List of assassinations or another article. There is no reason to believe that this, only 24ish hours after the news broke, will be the primary topic, and so a redirect should not have been created. I suspect there have also been quite a few attempted assassinations in 2024 that didn't occur in the USA, and so this could also be considered a US centric redirect. Failing a redirect, it should be deleted -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)- As others have pointed out, there isn't really a good redirect target now, so I'm clarifying my !vote to support a disambiguation page being created at this page to list assassination (attempts) in 2024. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am against this redirect. The world doesn't revolve around America and its internal politics. This would perpetuate America-centric systemic bias on the site. JDiala (talk) 02:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I suppose this could be redirected to List of people who survived assassination attempts, though there is only one other attempt in 2024 listed on that article (an attempt on a South Korean MP). Attempted assassination of Donald Trump is clearly the primary topic at this point in the year, and we're not supposed to speculate on if that will change in the future. It is also a very plausible search term. C F A 💬 02:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't supposed to speculate either way. And it's obvious that calling something the primary topic "this point in the year" violates WP:RECENTISM. We don't change, or even create, redirects just because something is what you think is the primary topic right now. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you could argue it is recentism, but common sense is also useful here. This was an attempted assassination on a former US president, arguably the most powerful person in the world. It was the first time anything like this happened in more than 40 years. This is not a US news story, it's an international news story. Regardless, I'm not opposed to a redirect to the list. C F A 💬 02:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Common sense does not mean US-centric common sense. Your entire argument here is based on a US centric view that the only important assassination (attempt) in 2024 is the one against the former president of the US. And that's why I'm !voting to redirect to another topic or delete. Because that's not a valid argument. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I pointed out, there were only two assassination attempts in 2024 (so far) notable enough to be included in the list above. It's not really a US-centric approach because an assassination attempt against a former world leader (of arguably the most powerful country in the world) will inherently be more significant than the majority of other attempts, both in the country of origin and internationally. This was a story that was reported in local newspapers around the world. If a former president of South Korea and a congressman in the US were both targeted in assassination attempts, the one against the former president would be the primary topic. This doesn't have much to do with local bias. C F A 💬 02:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Common sense does not mean US-centric common sense. Your entire argument here is based on a US centric view that the only important assassination (attempt) in 2024 is the one against the former president of the US. And that's why I'm !voting to redirect to another topic or delete. Because that's not a valid argument. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you could argue it is recentism, but common sense is also useful here. This was an attempted assassination on a former US president, arguably the most powerful person in the world. It was the first time anything like this happened in more than 40 years. This is not a US news story, it's an international news story. Regardless, I'm not opposed to a redirect to the list. C F A 💬 02:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't supposed to speculate either way. And it's obvious that calling something the primary topic "this point in the year" violates WP:RECENTISM. We don't change, or even create, redirects just because something is what you think is the primary topic right now. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or dabify. It's not even the only attempt with its own article in 2024 (Robert Fico). Yet another example of Americentrism. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 02:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I knew I had seen another attempted assassination of a head of state/leader of a country in 2024, but I couldn't pinpoint it. For clarity, this fact should be considered part of my argument above. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is valid argument. I missed Robert Fico because he was not in the list of people who survived assassination attempts. There is no clear primary topic so I change my vote to disambiguate. C F A 💬 02:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Liliana, as Trump is not the only assassination attempt in 2024. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Yes, because there have been other attempts on other people, Trump isn't the center of the universe, and Wikipedia should not be so heavily focused on the US perspective etc. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 03:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete Robert Fico, Lee Jae-Myung, probably a dozen Russian businessmen, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Mohammed Deif (for the umpteenth time) all can lay claim to that title. The US isn't special in that regard. Bremps... 05:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Bremps, or dabify at List of assassination attempts in 2024 or similar. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This RfD concerns the fate of the page at the exact name of "2024 assassination attempt". A redirect is defined by its name. An RfD isn't needed to create new pages. About your idea for a new page: A page titled "List of assassination attempts in 2024" would be a list, not a dab. —Alalch E. 11:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: as per above comments Lordseriouspig 10:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or disambig per above. This is too general to redirect to a single instance, the attempted assassination of Robert Fico, the prime minister of Slovakia, happened this year too (I've added it to the list article above, no idea why it wasn't there already). Google searches indicate that there have also been (events described as) assassination attempts made on Mohammed Deif and Volodymyr Zelensky at least. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- My addition was reverted because, despite the article title, it isn't a list of people but a list of people who weren't current heads of state or government (the latter having a separate list). See also my proposed merger of the two lists. I oppose retargetting this redirect to either list. Thryduulf (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to anchor in List of people who survived assassination attempts. I created 2020 assassination attempt to illustrate (I don't think that this redirect and other such redirects are / would be especially good, but this not a WP:POINTed creation, as it is within acceptable bounds from my perspective). Oppose dab. A dab would practically duplicate the list, and WP:NOTDUP does not apply to disambiguation pages when the same content is served in a list (not a different navigation method—the navigation method provided would be essentially the same).—Alalch E. 11:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with a redirect is that there are two separate attempted assassination lists: List of people who survived assassination attempts and List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts. "2024 assassination attempt" does not refer to either one specifically so a redirect would be completely arbitrary. Thryduulf has proposed these two lists be merged, which I support, but unless that happens a disambiguation page would be the best option. Nothing is duplicated in this case when there are two separate all-time lists. C F A 💬 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree its too generic since as noted there have been others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIAS; search results would handle this fine without needing to manually compile a separate search index, which also would undoubtedly suffer from systemic bias based on several comments here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of people who survived assassination attempts where there are two relevant cases --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is a third relevant case at List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts, neither is primary over the other. This is why I have (a) proposed merging (please give your input!) and (b) oppose retargetting to either one. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify between the appropriate lists only rather than individuals/specific events. Per nom, the term is to generic to estimate what a person might be searching for, and generally an editor wanting a list of specifics should create, well, such a list with all the relevant requirements fulfilled, but the search term is plausable and spefific enough to have a DAB page to guide them towards locating that specific article. Respublik (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm not convinced that the proposed disambiguations or redirections would be consistently helpful to reader, in part due to the vagueness of "attempt". Search results seem safer than compiling an ad hoc set index of assassination attempts in 2024. signed, Rosguill talk 19:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete or retarget to a dab page for assassination attempts in 2024. - Worthlessly vague and too US-centric. Just ask any PIA regulars. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, basically per Rosguill. -- asilvering (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Chilodontidae-stub
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German Expressionist
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Skeletor (Marvel Comics)
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Le Cartel
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Su85b
[edit]No mention on the target page. The tank does appear to be real though, so maybe a mention could be added to the article? Only source I can find on it though is an article on a website called "Warspot" that doesn't seem to have much fact checking. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 04:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's definitely a thing, even though most of the many English-language hits relate to its appearance in World of Tanks (most commonly rendered as "SU-85b" the hyphenless version does get plenty of hits) it is not just we have a picture at File:СУ-85Б.webp which led to my discovering the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have articles about it. There is a mention at List of armoured fighting vehicles by country#Soviet Union, but that doesn't say more than that it was based on the SU-76 prototype; SU-76#Variants has a sentence. Draft:SU-85B was deleted under G13 in 2020, but it was just a single sentence "The SU-85B was a prototype Soviet tank destroyer based on the SU-76.". If we decide not to delete this then SU-85B should be created as a redirect to the same target, but what target that would be or whether deletion per WP:REDLINK would be better I don't know. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to SU-76 where it is mentioned as a variant. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Trundling
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R. Tucker
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Slender man murder
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Outsmart
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world but with numbers!
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Red neckrampage the game
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Duty calls
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Duke Nukem Whenever
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Extraction Point: Alien Shootout.
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Duke nukem for never
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Duke 4
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Duke Nukem (company names!)
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Pig cop
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Neo-newtonian
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Wiimake
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Palestien
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Baguette City
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Sand hanitizer
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Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign
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Power flower
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Republican blue
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Safe state
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Wrong warp
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Saint John Rivers
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Wikipedia:CURRENTSECTION
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Vada a bordo, cazzo!
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Dara shikoh road,New Delhi.
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The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)
[edit]- The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Agree with Tavix and Skarmory that there is no target. Restore and tag as unreferenced. Jay 💬 17:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Paper Bowser
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Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften
[edit]- Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- VS Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It seems to be a sub-publisher of Springer Science+Business Media, that publishes German language sociology works according to this dewiki article. Ca talk to me! 15:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those titles still do not appear anywhere in the article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete until content is added, in which case they may be recreated. Jay 💬 15:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep one of numerous Springer imprints (see de:Springer VS). Solution here is to expand the article, not delete the redirect. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Speedy Mouse
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Formicapunk
[edit]- Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example [20], and [21]. And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I agree with this assessment. The redirects should be deleted and the reintroduction of the material should be reverted due to a lack of WP:RS. - Eureka Lott 21:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but also consider Retarget. In the case these redirects aren't appropriate for their current article, maybe a better destination would be Retrofuturism#Genres and the redirect-category could be changed to "R with possibilities". Also, the text in the Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk section could be moved there. Ae-a (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Please note that the section has again been removed from the target article. - Eureka Lott 16:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Empty-warn
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All-Star Batman and Robin
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Big G
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Metal Mario
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Biden crisis
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Minister for Cities
[edit]- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Sportacus 9
[edit]there are theories that robbie rotten was the previous sportacus and wore the number 9, though they have little to no evidence that could be used here. retarget to his article, keep as is, or delete as fancruft? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirect to sportacus. Robbie rotten and number 9 (sportacus 9) are not the same person. Robbie and number 9 where butting heads (see https://web.archive.org/web/20040108161211/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/theoriginsstory.html ). Robbie later became Robbie rotten (see https://web.archive.org/web/20031225235205/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/robbierotten.html). Number 9 (sportacus 9) has much more similarities with sportacus 10 (the current sportacus) than Robbie, so that redirect makes sense for now. Snævar (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The name has been changed from "Sportacus" to "Sportacus 10" in the first sentence of article but there is no explanation and the article title has not been changed. If there is no explanation of "9" or "10" in the article, the redirect is not useful and should be deleted. Peter James (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed. Snævar (talk) 07:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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CheckUser
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metal age
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Nuzlocke
[edit]"Nuzlocke" is not mentioned in the target article. Nuzlocke section was removed from the article in January 2023 and seems no one objected: [22]. In 2015, Nuzlocke article was redirected to Pokémon after an AfD. Mika1h (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of video games-related deletion discussions. Mika1h (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to do that. --Mika1h (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- i think a mention in gameplay of pokémon would work, but hopefully with better sources than the ones removed in that diff. put my vote on hold until i remember to look for that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say re-add the information, although finding new sources would be a good improvement. On the contrary to user:Juxlos's judgement that the Nuzlocke Challenge is "nothing special" because "there are multiple fan-made modes": most of them are based on or inspired by the Nuzlocke, and AFAIK the ones that aren't come from the speedrunning community. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I must note here that my removal of Nuzlocke is a WP:DUE thing, not a WP:GNG. I have no objections to its notability, though I objected to its inclusion in the main article the same way I would object to including Pokémon Sage or Pokémon Fossil Museum in the main article. Juxlos (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Information about it should be re-added to the article, it was wrongly removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RETURNTORED - Nuzlocke could easily be turned into an article, there's decent number of sources about it, eg: [23], [24], [25], [26], [27] and it's mentioned in 14 different Wikipedia articles. (My second preference would be keep/reinstate into Pokemon) BugGhost🪲👻 09:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Restore the previously deleted information from the current target article to this page, creating a new article here. I can see the WP:DUE weight issue with nuzlocke being in the main article, but it looks like it should pass WP:GNG, so give it its own article right here. Fieari (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - sources provided show a mention at the targets would be easy. If editors want to attempt to create an article about it, they're free to try to draft something up, but that doesn't prevent us from retaining the redirects for the time being. Sergecross73 msg me 00:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
E610
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Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
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Tax cuts for the rich
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Men's football
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200 (song)
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Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver
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Misty Williams
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Gender-neutral games and toys
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Angga Yunanda
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Pion condensate
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Children's games and toys
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Yevhen Kholoniuk
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Saint Boy
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Hum Hayn Aapkay Ghulam
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Boe Jiden
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Samuli Miettinen
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Symplectic action
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Themes common in gay porn
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Washington, Maryland
[edit]- Washington, Maryland → Fort Washington, Maryland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This error can plausibly refer to Fort Washington or Washington County, so delete and let the search results take care of it. Queen of Hearts talk 02:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Disambiguate per the fact there are multiple topics.Steel1943 (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)- Do not keep, do not delete per Tavix's comments. I have no opinion about disambiguation vs. retargeting anymore, but it's rather apparent that the current target is probably not helpful and that deletion benefits no one. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There's a general presumption that redirects are useful to at least the creator, and disambiguating is less disruptive than deleting. Jruderman (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the dab entry pointing to Fort Washington, Maryland, please include the name of the county it is within. Jruderman (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Steel and Jruderman. Thryduulf (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleteper WP:PTM unless there's evidence of the Fort or the County being referred to as simply "Washington". -- Tavix (talk) 13:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- 1 minute on Google finds plenty of evidence of the county being referred as "Washington, Maryland" (e.g. [28], [29], [30]), hits for Fort Washington are harder to find [31] is ambiguous, but other results are getting swamped by collactions and hits for Mary L. Washington (a Maryland politician). Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that your search only took one minute(!), or the fact that you thought those fringe database sources would be convincing. The Tweet isn't ambiguous, it's saying that the Governor of Maryland was speaking to reporters in Washington, DC. -- Tavix (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nature of the sources is irrelevant - they demonstrate clearly that "Washington County, Maryland" is sometimes referred to as "Washington, Maryland". Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...and I disagree with that assessment. It's not a referral, it's a database regurgitation. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nature of the sources is irrelevant - they demonstrate clearly that "Washington County, Maryland" is sometimes referred to as "Washington, Maryland". Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that your search only took one minute(!), or the fact that you thought those fringe database sources would be convincing. The Tweet isn't ambiguous, it's saying that the Governor of Maryland was speaking to reporters in Washington, DC. -- Tavix (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- 1 minute on Google finds plenty of evidence of the county being referred as "Washington, Maryland" (e.g. [28], [29], [30]), hits for Fort Washington are harder to find [31] is ambiguous, but other results are getting swamped by collactions and hits for Mary L. Washington (a Maryland politician). Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Washington metropolitan area, which extends into Maryland. I found a use that fits the bill. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- What? That's just confusing and potentially harmful to readers. Washington, D.C. is not a part of Maryland, and no one would refer to it as such. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- You do seem confused. I did not suggest a target to Washington, D.C. but to Washington metropolitan area. Per the article (my emphasis added):
The Washington metropolitan area...includes all of Washington, D.C. and parts of Maryland...
This redirect would be for the "Maryland part of Washington". -- Tavix (talk) 13:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)- No one calls it "the Maryland part of Washington," though. They are two separate entities. It's the equivalent of calling Newark "the New Jersey part of New York." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about the separate entities, I'm talking about the single metropolitan region of Washington which is partially located in Maryland. One prominent example is the Washington Commanders, who play in Maryland. Similarly, the New York Giants and New York Jets play in the New Jersey part of New York. -- Tavix (talk) 21:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- No one calls it "the Maryland part of Washington," though. They are two separate entities. It's the equivalent of calling Newark "the New Jersey part of New York." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- You do seem confused. I did not suggest a target to Washington, D.C. but to Washington metropolitan area. Per the article (my emphasis added):
- What? That's just confusing and potentially harmful to readers. Washington, D.C. is not a part of Maryland, and no one would refer to it as such. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- I oppose retargetting to Washington metropolitan area per Presidentman. It isn't a completely implausible entry on a dab page but it would be very surprising to be redirected there. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one refers to Fort Washington (either the CDP or the historic fort) as just "Washington". The county is rarely, but is, referred to by just "Washington" (like many counties in America). Normally only in spoke language but there are cases like [32]:
State Sen. Paul Corderman, R-Washington, sent a letter to the Hagerstown mayor and council
. I guess disambiguate? Between something like: Washington County, Maryland; Washington College (which is in Maryland); maybe History of Washington, D.C. due to the history of Maryland giving up land for Washington, DC; and maybe Washington metropolitan area (but oppose retarget here) (I'd also be fine with Fort Washington, Maryland being on the dab but I think under WP:PARTIAL it technically shouldn't be?). A retarget to Washington County, Maryland would be preferable to no change and deletion. Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC) - Keep Today I see both "Washington, MD" and "Marlboro, MD" listed by the Google Voice app, so "no one refers..." simply isn't correct. There's a redirect for Washington, Maryland - that was really useful. There is no redirect for Marlboro, Maryland - that was a complete PITA. Keep the redirect, add another to Marlboro, Maryland. Retargeting to loosely defined urban space is utterly useless. The redirect takes people who have no idea where these boroughs are to the appropriate WP article. Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yappy2bhere: Can you clarify what you think "Washington, MD" is referring to? You do say "Keep", which would imply it refers to Fort Washington, Maryland. But you also make a reference that it's a borough, but Fort Washington, Maryland is not one. Loosely defined urban space is not an article, so retargeting there is not an option (although I don't understand why it would be an option?). You also don't define what you think Marlboro, Maryland refers to. There are quite a few options, among them: Upper Marlboro, Maryland; Lower Marlboro, Maryland; Marlboro Village, Maryland; Marlboro Meadows, Maryland and what looks to be the encompassing Greater Upper Marlboro, Maryland. -- Tavix (talk) 13:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Once We Were Human
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Sumut
[edit]The Acolyte (upcoming TV series)
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Senior Bush & friends
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Dumb dubyah
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Live Photo
[edit]- Live Photo → Crispin Gurholt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Live Photo (iOS) meaning mentioned in the hatnote seems to be the prevalent one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Seems to be? Do you have something to substantiate that? Perhaps in Olso or Berlin it's the other way around? No justifiable reason to delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say this should point somewhere else, it might as well be disambiguated. The current meaning will not be deleted, it will stay with the addition of another one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate At the very least, there's no primary topic here. The artist is almost certainly not primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and we're back to proving what is primary and not, without supposition. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget my searches indicate that the iOS feature is by far and away the primary topic - only two of the hits on the first five pages of search results were not about that topic, the other two were about equivalents on Android. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget per Thryduulf. C F A 💬 14:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Cianwood Island
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Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)
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A trip down mammary lane
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Germs
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User:TalkSubject/Joe Biden
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Draft:Joe Biden
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Sunny (upcoming TV series)
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Heartless Angel
[edit]- Heartless Angel → Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a recurring attack for sephiroth in a lot of his appearances since his debut... but also for kefka. if both appear in a playable or boss form in any given game, heartless angel tends to go to whoever pops up first, which is usually kefka. if you want to be technical, sephiroth gets it more often overall because he gets more appearances, but results seem to associate it equally with both (give or take sephiroth being mentioned more often overall). even then, heartless angel isn't mentioned in either of their articles. if not deleted, i don't know if it should be kept there or retargeted to kefka, to final fantasy#gameplay, or to recurring elements in the final fantasy series#gameplay, because it'd be hard to cram an unsourced mention (or worse, a mention with a guide as the source) into those otherwise good or featured articles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Soooo... the move gets a "kind of" mention in Kefka's article, as "Fallen Angel", although the actual Woolsey translation rendered it in game as "Fallen One" on the SNES (as can be confirmed by looking up a playthrough on youtube). This is the move that got commentary from a reliable source, and was worth the mention in the article. Now, I believe you're probably right that it's been updated in newer versions/releases of the game to Heartless Angel, as the Final Fantasy fandom wiki uses that term, but it doesn't seem to have garnered any commentary in reliable sources. Google, on the other hand, shows overwhelming preference to linking the term with Sephiroth instead of Kefka, likely due to the relative popularity of FFVII over FFVI... except that most if not all of these hits I'm finding are not from WP:RS. Which leaves us in the awkward position where there's clear analysis that would be interesting to discuss... that we can't use because none of it has gone through editorial publishing processes. I can't decide whether that means we should delete the redirect because we don't really have information on exactly it under that name, redirect to Kefka because the thing this redirect refers to IS directly named and described there... except under a different name (which is even incorrect, despite being published in a WP:RS!), or to keep the redirect because usage online clearly prefers Sephiroth as the WP:PTOPIC even though we don't and probably can't mention it there! Fieari (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that the Kefka article mentioned "Fallen Angel" as the name of the move bothered me enough that I added an endnote with the correction, and a mention to the renaming of it to Heartless Angel. Not sure if this is the best way to go about it, but surely the primary source material can be used just for a correction of this sort. Fieari (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- at this point, i'd say nuke it until a reliable source decides to cover the attack (and actually get the name right)
- also yeah, i did say results preferred sephiroth, because ff7 is the only final fantasy game people can remember the existence of for more than 15 seconds. coverage of final fantasy elements kind of sucks tbh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk of the target and Kefka Palazzo pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I say delete the redirect. Kefka and Sephiroth are weirdly similar, especially with the fallen angel theming and imagery, and it's just not worth it to debate who 'gets' a redirect that sees maybe ten hits a year - especially with the lack of reliable sources (which, let's face it, isn't likely to change anytime soon). I could support retargeting to recurring elements in the final fantasy series#gameplay, but in that case I'd want to see another section on that page for recurring moves (Fallen One/Heartless Angel, Meteor, Bad Breath, etc.) and I just don't know if they're significant enough to have that kind of coverage. I mean, even Bahamut only gets a mention in the design section, despite his presence as a summon and/or plot-relevant character since the very first game. Atma/Ultima, Odin, and even Omega don't get a mention at all, so it's hard to reconcile that with keeping one weirdly-translated attack that two very famous villains use. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 20:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Големата екскурзија
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Jabar
[edit]There are Many Disambiguation Links in the Word "Jabar" on Jabar (disambiguation). So for me this should not be special. Like the case of West Kalimantan where I made the word redirect Kalbar, but it was deleted because it was not only in one article. Baqotun0023 (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just notified of this discussion at the current target and disambiguation talk pages. If we're looking to move it not via the WP:RM forum, the discussion can stay for a week. Jay 💬 14:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Măluț River
[edit]Completely unmentioned on the target page. With a bit of digging I found ro:Râul Măluț which just says "The Măluț River is a watercourse, a left tributary of the Talna River in Satu Mare County, Romania.". It's not the only tributary and nothing seems to indicate it is a particularly significant one so simply adding it to the article would seem a bit misleading? Thryduulf (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Măluţ River. Looks exactly the same but there is a tiny difference in diacritic. Also the non-diacritic Malut River. Jay 💬 13:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. I haven't found this river in detailed lists like this one and this one, and it's not on this detailed map either. So if this river exists, it's probably not notable. Markussep Talk 17:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Malut
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Pokemon generations 5
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Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score
[edit]- Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. However, the subject of this redirect is mentioned twice in the biographical article about its subject, Guillermo Vilas: Once in the last paragraph of the article's top section, and once in the last paragraph of Guillermo Vilas#ATP ranking No. 1 controversy. I am not sure if either of these targets are viable retargeting options for this redirect, or if the redirect should be deleted to promote the creation of an article (though my preference here is deletion.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: I am skeptical of the value of red links in prompting article creation. I think it's better to have a red link than no link at all, where an article can potentially be written, but better to have a redirect than a red link where the article is really unlikely to actually be written. The ultimate end question is what best serves the reader looking for information on the subject. BD2412 T 23:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BD2412: Fair enough. "WP:REDLINK" Might be another guideline and/or essay excerpt that I need to add to my "questionable utility" list. I'm just ... not sure if the current setup is adequate since the subject of this redirect has article potential, and I do not believe I've seen any other cases where a redirect representing a biographical media (book, film, etc.) redirects to the human subject of the biography rather than having an article about itself or being a redirect that targets a section in another article identifying and explaining itself. Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think there are cases where it makes sense, where the subject is discrete and the likely topic of a writeable article, and cases where a redirect is more defensible. BD2412 T 19:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BD2412: Fair enough. "WP:REDLINK" Might be another guideline and/or essay excerpt that I need to add to my "questionable utility" list. I'm just ... not sure if the current setup is adequate since the subject of this redirect has article potential, and I do not believe I've seen any other cases where a redirect representing a biographical media (book, film, etc.) redirects to the human subject of the biography rather than having an article about itself or being a redirect that targets a section in another article identifying and explaining itself. Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: To clarify on this, my stance is delete and weak retarget to Guillermo Vilas since "keep" is definitely invalid. Steel1943 (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Search results are sufficient. Jay 💬 05:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
"Fax (hair)" and "Fax (head hair)"
[edit]- Fax (hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fax (head hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "fax" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer to and/or define. The only other article on Wikipedia I can find that mentions such terms in context is John the Baptist, but with the way the term "fax" is used in that article pertaining to "hair", it makes it seem as though these nominated redirects are some sort of suffix. Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RFOR, as Middle English might reasonably be considered a "foreign language". The word may be familiar to modern readers through Shadowfax, but the Wiktionary link from Fax (disambiguation) will cover this usage adequately. Tevildo (talk) 09:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have added an etymology section to the page on Hair so it is now in the target article. Fax is attestated in modern English, not only Middle English, even if its usage has since become rare. Ingwina (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair#Etymology but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is from the page "The now broadly obsolete word "fax" refers specifically to head hair".
- I feel like if fax means hair, the word should redirect to the whole page - is there precedent for redirecting to the specific section mentioning the word if the word refers to the wider article? I don't have too strong views about this bit though - it just depends on the nuance of wikipedia policy to me! Ingwina (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ingwina: The reason why I'm suggesting for at least Fax (hair) to target Hair#Etymology is the section directly exposing what "fax" means in the context of the subject of the article. In this case, keeping the target as Hair with no section redirect would be if the word was immediately established to be an alternative used in present day, which it seems this word may not be. Either way, that section seems to best explain why this term redirects to any part of the Hair article's subject. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure :) I'm very relaxed about it. Worst comes to worst they scroll up. I don't think it's a big problem! Ingwina (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ingwina: The reason why I'm suggesting for at least Fax (hair) to target Hair#Etymology is the section directly exposing what "fax" means in the context of the subject of the article. In this case, keeping the target as Hair with no section redirect would be if the word was immediately established to be an alternative used in present day, which it seems this word may not be. Either way, that section seems to best explain why this term redirects to any part of the Hair article's subject. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair#Etymology but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Refine the first to Hair#Etymology. Fax (head hair) is not needed since we have Fax (hair). Refine or delete, I'm not particular either way. Jay 💬 05:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Paris Olympics
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Stun ray
[edit]- Stun ray → Weapons in science fiction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The subject of the redirect is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what subject this redirect is meant to define. From a preliminary search of Wikipedia, it seems this redirect is mentioned nowhere. Steel1943 (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to stun gun, which mentions the current target. Hesitant because 'stun weapons' are not really described at that target. Might be better to return this to red for now. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm legitimately befuddled that this isn't mentioned and discussed in detail at the target article, given how much a staple it is in sci-fi. Making a character sleep without actually hurting them is just such a USEFUL thing for a writer to be able to do, that even in non-scifi works you get things like that one punch that harmlessly KOs you, or chloroform, or a sleeping drug or whatever. In sci-fi, they definitely use stun guns all the time, from Star Wars to Star Trek and beyond. It's a trope for a reason. Normally, when I feel like article creation should be encouraged I !vote delete to redlink it, but here, I don't think it deserves its own article at all... I just think it should be included in this one. Err... not that I'm volunteering to write it though. Not sure what to do in this situation. Fieari (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Raygun - it's a scifi weapon that shoots rays, that mentions stunning:
A wide range of non-lethal functions as determined by the requirements of the story: for instance, they may stun, paralyze or knock down a target, much like modern electroshock weapons.
. BugGhost🦗👻 12:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Jerry Temporary
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Theoretical high pixel count images
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FinalMethod
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Not mentioned at the target with or without a space. Internet and Google Scholar results did not turn up anything illuminating. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It's likely that Method (computer programming) § Finalizers is arguably a close enough mention. See Final (Java) § Final methods for Java-specific context (it's kind of in some other languages). But the missing space makes it iffier. Skynxnex (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Also bundle Final method here, or weak retarget it to Final (Java)#Final methods. Jay 💬 05:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the redirect without a space, as incorrect and vague. There should be a place where the computer science concept of "final" is discussed to point final method to, but I couldn't find a good target for it. * Pppery * it has begun... — Preceding undated comment added 03:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia
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Stun ray
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Jerry Temporary
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Andy youre a star
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Distribution Center Management System
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Super Smash Bros. 6
[edit]- Super Smash Bros. 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- SSB 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- SSB6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. No information about a video game named Super Smash Bros. 6 exists in the target article or in Super Smash Bros. Mia Mahey (talk) 22:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete as wrong. ultimate is the 5st installment cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of that changes that its a plausible search term, with sourcing and notes to clear up confusion. Again, I'm not saying its the sixth title. I'm not arguing anyone should think that. I'm saying its a plausible redirect because some people think that, and some sources outline it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it is the sixth entry in the Smash Bros if you consider the 3DS and Wii versions separate games, which some developers/sources do. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- by that logic, which one would be 5 anyway? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is irrelevant. There's never been any discussion or consensus that Mario Kart is handling it correctly either, so it's no standard to aspire to. It's just an WP:OSE-violating comparison. Sergecross73 msg me 13:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Super Smash Bros for Wii U are both Smash 4, and neither are Smash 5. They did release on separate days, with Wii U being released after 3DS, but they were released literally two months apart, were clearly developed together, and they have several methods of transferring data between the two platforms; it's highly probable that they only released separately due to delays. They also share a Wikipedia page, shared advertising space, pretty much everywhere you go they're talked about as one unit instead of two separate games-- much like, for example, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team, another instance of one game with two names on two different Nintendo consoles with different capabilities. (If you throw out the 'two different consoles' thing, pretty much any first-of-the-gen Pokemon game in the history of ever, from Pokemon Red and Blue all the way to Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are examples of this in action. (Like, what, are you saying that Pokémon Emerald is Pokemon 13 or something???) Because of this, Smash Ultimate is clearly Smash 5, and thus, Smash 6 would logically be the next entry of the series after Smash Ultimate, a game that does not exist. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- no, let's make it worse
- red + green (jp) > blue (jp) > stadium (jp) > yellow > red + blue (not jp) > hey you, pikachu > tcg (game boy) > snap > pinball > "stadium" (actually stadium 2) > gold + silver > dance! pikachu > puzzle challenge > puzzle league > "stadium 2" (actually stadium gold and silver) > crystal > pikachu's great surfing adventure > tcg 2 > crayon kids > party mini > zany cards > pinball mini > puzzle collection > tetris > breeder mini (wait what) > puzzle collection vol. 2 > race mini > catch the numbers > pichu bros. mini > togepi's great adventure > ruby + sapphire > box r&s > channel > pinball r&s > channel > pinball r&s > some hiragana and katakana education game > colosseum > firered + leafgreen > pico for everyone > emerald
- thus, emerald is the 46nd installment in the pokémon franchise, or the 14st mainline installment cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca talk to me! 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- a what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca talk to me! 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh, that one. my dumb brain forgot it wasn't from summoning salt. whoops cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca talk to me! 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- a what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, you're both arguing what's "correct" instead of arguing what's plausible. Whether it's the correct numbering is irrelevant. Some people (not me) believe it to be true, and the alternative is a game that doesn't even exist. We don't need to future proof for scenarios that may not ever even happen. It can be easily and quickly fixed as things potentially change someday. Sergecross73 msg me 00:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca talk to me! 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - only mention of "Smash Bros. 6" on Wikipedia is from that article, talking about a Bandai Namco recruitment page stating:
The recruitment page consisted of a listing for programmers for "Smash Bros. 6", which was expected to be released in 2015 for both the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS"
, which is likely why the redirect exists in the first place. It being mentioned there is just a happy coincidence though - the main reason why I am saying it should go to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate rather than Super Smash Bros. Ultimate directly is because the lengthy discussions above shows that there is ambiguity that SB6 would refer to Ultimate or some future/non-existent game, and Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is directly above a "Future" section, so this redirect would cover both bases. As an aside, I don't think the above discussions need to be continued - regardless of anyone's views, I think the outcome is obvious that there's no clear primary topic - we now just need to find the best way of disambiguating. BugGhost🪲👻 08:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- while this discussion goes nowhere, i should note ssb6 and ssb 6 also exist, and could be added here cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete the SSB redirects, Keep "Super Smash Bros. 6". From the above discussion, it appears that "Smash Bros. 6" has been used to refer to "Ultimate", and it's a plausible search term. The fact that it's wrong shouldn't be relevant - otherwise, we'd need to delete Me109. Tevildo (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Smash Bros. without a section redirect. Quite frankly, anything after the "4" designation is up for debate since some people consider the Wii U and 3DS versions "4" collectively, but others consider them "4" and "5" collectively. Let the readers try to figure out what the heck they are trying to find if searching these terms because we are not mind readers. Steel1943 (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would also support this BugGhost🦗👻 08:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Smash Bros.. This can refer to Ultimate or the hypothetical next entry in the series. Either way, one can find that at the series article (Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate or Super Smash Bros.#Future). -- Tavix (talk) 23:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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