Talk:Athena

Image change

Hi I feel like the image should be File:Atena farnese, copia romana da orig. greco della cerchia fidiaca, forse Pyrrhos nel 430 ac ca., 6024, 01.JPG. It's higher quality imo and more famous.Ghost_Cacus (talk) 16:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

if you're going to suggest another image, please don't expect others to do the work; link to it yourself thus File:Atena farnese, copia romana da orig. greco della cerchia fidiaca, forse Pyrrhos nel 430 ac ca., 6024, 01.JPG. If you claim that it's higher quality and more famous, say why you think it's higher quality and provide some evidence that it's more famous. We don't want to spend time on this, as we have on other image changes that you've made or proposed to no avail, unless you make the effort to gain consensus. NebY (talk) 17:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

It's more famous because it literally says it's famous on the farnese page. Ghost_Cacus (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

The caption of the current image reads,

Mattei Athena at Louvre. Roman copy from the 1st century BC/AD after a Greek original of the 4th century BC attributed to Cephisodotos or Euphranor.

But then it would make sense to change the image to that of the Piraeus Athena, as that is the supposed "Greek original" of the Mattei Athena. The Mattei Athena is also said to have "stylistic anomalies" that appear "troublesome"., which would make the Mattei Athena unsuitable as the infobox image. In my opinion, however, it would be better to change it to the Athena Giustiniani, which doesn't suffer from the awkward hand gesture (from the absence of Nike or whatever it is that was supposed to be in the hand) that makes the Mattei, the Firase, and the Piraeus Athena look as if the deity is saying "welp". The Varvakeion Athena would also a far better choice than the Mattei. LittleScroll (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2023

Athena did not get her name from Athens. She and Poseidon had a competition to be the patreon of the city in ancient times. After Athena won with her olive tree, the city was named after her. 178.115.63.234 (talk) 21:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2023

Under children I should say annabeth chase 69.236.121.254 (talk) 00:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

She is an invention of a piece of modern fiction, so no. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2024

There is a note about Plutarch's record of an anonymous physician invoking Athena Hygieia to become inspired to cure an illness. This is not correct. According to the text cited (Life of Pericles 13.8) it is Pericles who is ill, and attributes his healing to Athena Hygieia (he's a statesman, not a physician). The entry should be changed to reflect this. 108.34.255.140 (talk) 17:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Removal of sourced content

@NebY I noticed that you recently removed content sourced from Herodotus, Pausanias, Pindar, and the modern historian and archaeologist Gabriel Camps regarding the mythological origins of Athena, as well as an article discussing the potential North African origins of Athena. I’d like to ask that you reconsider removing these sources for several important reasons:

1. Historical Relevance and Significance:

• Herodotus, Pausanias, and Pindar are not only prominent ancient Greek historians and writers, but their works are foundational to our understanding of Greek mythology, history, and culture. Removing their testimonies undermines the representation of primary historical sources, which are invaluable when discussing mythological figures like Athena.
• The perspectives of these ancient historians have been used for centuries to provide context to classical mythology, and their inclusion adds important depth and nuance to any discussion about Athena’s origins.

2. Modern Scholarship:

• Gabriel Camps is a well-regarded archaeologist and historian whose research contributes significantly to the understanding of Mediterranean and North African history. His views regarding the potential connections between Greek and North African cultures are well-supported in academic discourse. Including his work helps provide a more comprehensive view of Athena’s origins, especially since modern scholars often explore the cross-cultural influences that shaped ancient mythology.

3. Balance of Perspectives:

• Wikipedia thrives on presenting a neutral point of view, meaning that multiple perspectives—especially those that are properly sourced—should be represented. By removing these references, a significant perspective that addresses potential connections between Athena’s myth and North Africa is lost, which may leave the article lacking in completeness and depth.
• It’s important to allow well-sourced content to remain, ensuring that readers have access to the full range of scholarly discourse on the subject.

4. Reliable Sources:

• All of the removed sources (Herodotus, Pausanias, Pindar, and Gabriel Camps) are considered reliable and valid according to Wikipedia’s guidelines on sources. Ancient historians are primary sources for mythological discussions, and modern scholarly articles from reputable historians like Camps provide secondary analyses that help deepen our understanding of these primary sources.

5. Engagement with the Community:

• Wikipedia encourages editors to work together and discuss significant content changes. I believe this removal merits discussion rather than unilateral action, especially given the importance of the sources involved.

The content you removed was supported by notable historical sources and modern scholarship. While it’s essential to establish consensus on talk pages for significant changes, the removal of well-sourced content without discussion or consensus can impact the article’s accuracy and balance Potymkin (talk) 18:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Pindar was not a historian, he was a poet. Dimadick (talk) 05:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)