Talk:Italian resistance movement

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Could anyone post some more information on the resistance movements in Italy? At least some basic facts and figures would do. It would be both interesting and useful for resolution of conflict with User:CVA at Talk:Partisan. What were the numbers of the movement members? Was it one organization or several minor ones? Were there any battles there? What happened to those who participated in the movement? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 18:14, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

I provide at least a link to the Italian article. Some of the proposed information is there. MGTom 12:50, 2005 Feb 27 (UTC)

Cossacs in Carnia: a red herring against common struggle of Italian and Slovenian Resistance movements

The story about the Cossacs in Carnia (deleted from text) seems to me pure fiction. In broad terms, the history as lived and written is different: it was the Yugoslav (Slovenian & other) partisans that fought the last battles on the southern front (May 15. 1945 a large gen. Loehr-s army ) was captured by Slovenian partisans much more to the east than Carnia. Please provide references for the Cossac story, better still on the whole final operations of WWII in Northern Italy! MGTom 12:50, 2005 Feb 27 (UTC)

If you can read Italian, you can find many sites on Google, for example this one: http://www.carnialibera1944.it/zonalibera/repubblicapartigiana_3.htm. GhePeU 19:20, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Question about edit made to Cossack section

In the following line, I changed "and promised" to "they were promised", which seemed to be the sense meant. Is this correct? "In the valley of Carnia, anti-Communist forces from the Soviet Union under the command of ataman Domanov were used; they were promised the establishment of a Cossack republic in northeastern Italy, to be called Kosakenland."

First time I hear this story, but it could even be true (if it is, it just shows how silly the Cossacks were in believing Hitler). However, the importance of this bizarre detail approaches zero in an article on the Italian resistance movement and I'd delete it. --MauroVan 08:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It IS true, for bewildering it may appear, the Nazis just tried to settle Cossacks... in Carnia. Basil II 19:32, 9 January 2008 (CET)

I too have heard these stories from my grandparents, among others, and have seen pictures of Cossaks in my town... apparently they were to settle in Glemona, some sources indicate that as many as 50,000 had been transferred to Friul by occupying German forces... review history of Friul for more detail, particularly material written in Friulian, or in Italian, by Friulian authorsSonyda (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Women in the resistance

I have changed a couple of lines to give more emphasis to the work of women in the Italian resistance, but I do think it deserves a section on its own. I found a couple of good reviews and websites: [1] The best Italian website is [2]. I know we are not supposed to copy copyrighted material or quote in foreign language, or do any original research, but how does it work in wikipedia for translating material from other sites? As for instance, from here: [3]Ninarosa 01:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

All biographies in ANPI. Donne e uomini della resistenza are delivered with licence CC BY SA 3.0 IT. Bye --Giaccai (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Nobody cares, now scram. 95.125.160.238 (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Women in the Resistenza Italiana

I have changed a couple of lines to give more emphasis to the work of women in the Italian resistance, but I do think it deserves a section on its own. I found a couple of good reviews and websites: [4] The best Italian website is [5]. I know we are not supposed to copy copyrighted material or quote in foreign language, or do any original research, but how does it work in wikipedia for translating material from other sites? As for instance, from here: [6]Ninarosa 01:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Cervi family

This passage was added to the anti-fascism page, but I felt it better placed here. However, I am not expert enough to do it properly:

In the italian Emilia-Romagna region, during the end of the Second World War (period that is also known in Italy as the Italian Resistance) the home of the big Cervi family became a point of meeting for a big group of partizans, the band comprehended the seven Cervi brothers (Aldo, Ferdinando, Gelindo, Antenore, Agostino, Ettore and Ovidio) with their father Alcide helped by lots of other relatives and friends, they were responsible of a big amount of anti-fascistic action and they all were caught and executed by the Fascist regime the 28 December 1943.

BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No rapes

Partisan women was not raped by Mussolini's forces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.32.97.148 (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

liar.

bns --82.52.75.122 (talk) 14:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

8th september section

I think a section about what happened after the 8th september should be added. this point is mentioned but it can be expanded in more detail. The italian army had a considerable role in the resistance: in the 98% of cases, disbanded troops refuse to go on fighting for Mussolini. More than 600.000 were captured by the german army and as a consequence of their decision, they either massacred on the spot (e.g. the Acqui Division on Cefalonia island), either taken to concentration camps, where they were not fully recognized as war prisoners and so were obliged to work and suffer many deprivations. Therefore, they are sometimes referred as "the silent resistance".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.225.114 (talk) 12:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Photos

Are there no photos of partisans not being hanged? I don't mind that there are three separate photos of hangings, but a little variety would be nice. Eladynnus (talk) 00:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Mostly unrelated content

The Germans profited greatly from the weakness of the Fascist puppet state in Northern Italy and determined that they would annex Italian territories into the Third Reich. Two new German regions were to be established. One was the Alpenvorland, to comprise the region of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol and the Province of Belluno. The other was Adriatisches Küstenland, to comprise Istria, Quarnero, and most of today's region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia. In the valley of Carnia, the Germans used anti-communist forces from the Soviet Union under the command of ataman Timofey Domanov; they were promised a Cossack republic to be established in Northeastern Italy, to be called Kosakenland. --Niemti (talk) 12:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

References

New Edits

I have added info that is referenced and linked to sources; keeps getting deleted by Niemeti without any reasons; I have added new Pictures; all legitimate; keeps getting deleted by Niemeti without any reasons; Niemeti contributions to the article are limited to unsourced and (for the article) irrelevant info; If there is a problem with my edits, let me know; Daufer (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can make out, you are deleting sourced material. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:05, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Really? please provide some evidence; and take a look at the section (i created) Strength and Casualties; I added sourced info and pics; Niemti deleted it (without any reason given); the section about the Armistice and Operation Achse are linked to the given articles that explain it in detail; the previous thread about the Armistice (without any sources) that i have deleted has nothing to do with this article on partisans;Armistice and Operation Achse are linked to the given articles that explain it in detail; read a book on it; Daufer (talk) 20:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

The consensus for years was to include the armed and unarmed uniformed resistance to the German occupation, as far as I know you're the first to object, so explain your reasoning to convince the other editors. Also don't lie (again), there were references. It's just silly to lie about something everyone can check with few clicks. --Niemti (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh lol

Also I just checked you supposed source for the claim "In all ~35,000 partisans were killed in action." ("Joseph, Frank (2009). Mussolini's War. England.")

this is what this source actually says: "Accordingly, the Italian SS devoted much of its time to battling the underground movement, eventually accounting for the deaths of more than 35,000 partisans." (page 190)

It's 1. Claiming something entirely else (your're knowingly misinterpreting the source, lying again for no reason whatsover). 2. The source's really dubious complete bullshit anyway (35,000 partisans supposedly killed by only 1 division, the super-fascists of the Italian SS) - it's written by Frank Collin ("Frank Joseph"), the leader of the National Socialist Party of America.

Please stop editing Wikipedia. --Niemti (talk) 21:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Article protected

This article has been protected from editing for three days to try to generate talk page discussion of the disputed content. Please follow the WP:BRD guideline. You may also wish to consider dispute resolution (WP:DR). Mark Arsten (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm not sure protection is warranted here, particularly seeing as one editor is blocked. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Corsica

Corsica was effectively freed by the Royal Italian Army in operations that lasted til the beginning of October 1943. The story of this glorious fight is overlooked here：I wonder whether this is due to the (self)censorship imposed by the French Gov.Aldrasto11 (talk) 02:46, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

This may well be so, but the Italian Army is hardly a partisan group. Perhaps there is a place for this information elsewhere.86.11.99.75 (talk) 08:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

bella ciao

did not existed during 1943-1945 it had been written later — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.19.156.198 (talk) 18:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)