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Lede changes

Noticed some lede changes flipping back and forth, with recommendation to discuss here. Please note, I did not make the changes or revert them, but would like to be involved with the discussion...

It should be duly noted that the term psychedelic was chosen as a more specific replacement term for hallucinogen (somewhat excluding deliriants and dissociatives). It should also be noted that the term entheogen was chosen as an alternative to psychedelic for the following specific purposes:

to avoid the (potentially negative) cultural associations with the word psychedelic
to be specific to the spiritual and ceremonial use of psychoactive substances
to include substances which are not inherently classified as psychedelic drugs

Thus, the term "entheogenic" is more weighted towards the intention, purpose, and method of use of a substance, than to its pharmacology. It is, however, typically limited to substances which have an established, historical ceremonial use, as well as those which tend to induce visionary state, especially one which could be classified as a state of Samadhi, Nirvana, or Moksha. Because of this, it is not correct to assume that all psychedelic drugs are entheogens, and it is also not correct to assume that all entheogens are psychedelic drugs. Most plant hallucinogens are considered to be entheogens, but certain psychoactive plants, such as Nicotiana rustica are also considered to be entheogens. Synthetic psychedelic drugs such as 2C-B are not typically considered to be entheogens. Thoric (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was my understanding and the reason that I reverted from the proposed definition specifically as 'hallucinogens'. Thank you for the clear explanation. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 11:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like perhaps we should re-work the lede to make it more clear, but maybe we can do that in here (the talk page) before updating the live article. --Thoric (talk) 17:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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