Talk:Thomas MacDonagh

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First, Thomas MacDonagh married Muriel Gifford. Isabella was his mother in law. As to why he was appointed to the military council as late as he was, I have heard an explanation but do not remember the source so I cannot vouch for it's accuracy. The reason was his friendship with James Connolly who was giving the military council fits and threatening to rise on his own. Connelly came on to the military council shortly afterwards.

Niall MacDonagh, Thomas MacDonagh's grandson

Of course you're right, he married Muriel. I knew that, but copied down the wrong name. Sorry; it's been corrected. As for his entry into the Military Committee, well, as i said, there's some uncertainty about it. I find your explanation intriguing. I've read many sources on this subject, and they generally seem to state that Connolly was a member of the committee in January 1916, and MacDonagh not until that April. Of course, they could be mistaken; the entire endeavor was shrouded in secrecy. The executions in May forever silenced the only people who could really explain exactly what happened and why. Certainly, as you stated, Clarke and Pearse and the like were worried about Connolly acting alone, but as I said, most sources put that occuring substantially before your grandfather's entry onto the military committee. I really can't say. If you have some other information I'd love to hear it. I remember reading somewhere that the there was a significance to there being seven signatories of the proclamation, and that MacNeill was supposed to be one, but he refused to sign. Had MacNeill signed, it was specualted that Thomas MacDonagh might well not have. Of course I can't say if there is any truth to this, only that MacNeill did claim that he was asked by Joseph Plunkett to sign the proclamation, I believe on either Good Friday or the day after. -R. fiend 06:56, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Ledwidge?

What's the significance of the "See also"? I can't see anything in either article that merits it. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 09:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming this was there because of Ledwidge's friendship with MacDonagh and the fact that the FL's most famous poem is a lament on MacDonagh's execution which appears to have had a profound effect on him. I've referenced it in the last section of the article now. ANB (talk) 13:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Kathleen Clarke's autobiograpy she claims that Thomas Clarke told her during her visit to him before his execution that Eoin MacNeill either signed the Proclamation or promised to sign, and thus had broken his word, and "must have no part in national life" from then on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pageturners (talk • contribs) 07:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coming back to the topic question & first response, this is a good question/discussion. 1) There exists an article on Francis Ledwidge. The Ledwidge article describes Ledwidge's death; this MacDonagh article already links to Ledwidge. I see no reason to expand Ledwidge's death discussion in MacDonagh; the existing link to Ledwidge is sufficient; elaboration upon Ledwidge redundant. 2) The sentence is extraneous and detracts from the proper focus of this article, MacDonagh. Ledwidge is a key figure in Irish history; his death is an important part of historical record; it does not belong here. 3) "Blown to pieces" is probably very accurate (none of us were there) but is also a statement made in the extremeties of WWI trench warfare. 102+ years later, a factual/historical look at Ledwidge's death would describe his death factually, including eyewitness accounts as evidence/source material. A historian would probably not write "blown to pieces" in her narrative, though she would almost certainly cite "blown to pieces" as the chaplain's account. There is an important difference. 1 & 2 above argue for deleting the sentence entirely from the article. My 3rd point is to say, if it must remain in the article then it should be refashioned. [Personally, I also think that the description here does not do Ledwidge justice; however that is my opinion & of no concern to the broader point.] I'm deleting the sentence from the MacDonagh article, documenting in Edit description, thereupon expanding in Talk. Countryjudge (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Muriel MacDonagh's "Cursed" Wedding Ring

Muriel MacDonagh's wedding ring was passed on to her son Donagh MacDonagh upon her death when her heart gave out while swimming back from planting an Irish tricolour on a sandbank just off the shore near the village of Skerries just north of Dublin. Donagh gave the ring to his first wife, Maura who drowned having an epileptic fit in the bath. Donagh then gave the ring to her sister, Nuala, when he married her. She survived Donagh by two years before choking on a piece of steak and dying. All three women were wearing the ring when they died. The ring has since been passed down through the male MacDonagh line but has never been worn by any woman since Nuala's death due to it's alleged "Curse" Ciarán MacDonagh - Great-Grandson of Thomas MacDonagh CiaranMacD (talk) 04:35, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]